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Give archers some of their melee power back!
« on: December 02, 2011, 04:27:14 pm »
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With the great hybridization nerf archers lost a lot of their ability to fight effectively in melee. To use a proper bow and have sufficient ammunition they would have to use either a 0 slot or a 1 slot weapon. Both aren't too fantastic. Combined with low wpf and nearly no armour for maximum archery accuracy, they basically can't do shit in melee.

First I thought this change was a good thing. It would be unfair if you could be an effective archer, and then when the enemy closes in, be decent at melee too. But this resulted in archers running away whenever the enemy got near. Which I think is one of the most annoying things in this game, almost as annoying as roofcamping. Something which might partly be caused by the same thing.

I think archers should be able to be more decent in melee. Alternatively, the hardcore archers could be made very slow, so they can't run away. Two ways to fix the same problem, make them better at melee, or make them unable to run.

Ofcourse being better at archery should cost them in melee power, but I doubt this running behaviour was intended. I'd rather have a good fight then a chase. If you give up the chase they start shooting you, incredibly frustrating.

I have a few ideas to fix the running, if you agree with me feel free to suggest your own ideas.

- Make bows when held very heavy, so archers won't be able to run fast while holding their bow, forcing them to switch to a melee weapon and fight or run with the melee weapon. Might need to buff archery if this gets implemented.

- Make two sets of arrows cost 1 slot, so they can have a proper melee weapon.

- Make drawing when running impossible, atleast for the two slot big bows.

- Make the wpf decrease with armour less significant, so they can wear some armour, if they can pay it.

- Decrease acceleration when holding a bow specifically, leave their topspeed intact though.

Ofcourse ladders should be removed regardless of anything, for obvious reasons.
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Re: Give archers some of their melee power back!
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2011, 04:28:37 pm »
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- Make two sets of arrows cost 1 slot, so they can have a proper melee weapon.


Im fine with everything except for this.

They shall take 1 Stack if they want a decent melee weapon.
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Re: Give archers some of their melee power back!
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2011, 04:36:37 pm »
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Make them use only one quiver, it will insist on archers to take part in malee fights as they will have less arrows. On the other hand they will camp more  :lol: ... not good idea  :|

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Re: Give archers some of their melee power back!
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2011, 06:11:33 pm »
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That's actually a great idea! Also, make my sword throw bolts of force while you're at it. That way, EVERYONE can fight at both short and long range.

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Re: Give archers some of their melee power back!
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2011, 08:49:00 pm »
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Archers correct me if im wrong but the archers who would normally stand and fight if engaged in melee do now anyway.

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Re: Give archers some of their melee power back!
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2011, 09:06:37 pm »
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No thanks, the age of robocop archer + 2h is over already it was crazy and i do not want it back. Not even a shield would help against a roboarcher since they can simply fight you in melee being pretty much just as good.

No, no, no and no, get a shield. :)
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Re: Give archers some of their melee power back!
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2011, 09:10:01 pm »
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Go to hell Gravoth the shield slows you down too much to keep up with the archers.

I had a plated archer with 70 wpf a longsword a hornbow and some arrows, never ran out of arrows and I could melee good. But now its out of cash and I rspec'd it as a 1h archer with 2 stacks of arrows to play in siege.


Edit: A shield is good to block arrows, sure, but the weight means you'll never reach the fucker pew pewing you. The archer should be mostly screwed if engaged in melee and cav should rape them to hell and back.
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Re: Give archers some of their melee power back!
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2011, 09:28:45 pm »
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Go to hell Gravoth the shield slows you down too much to keep up with the archers.

I had a plated archer with 70 wpf a longsword a hornbow and some arrows, never ran out of arrows and I could melee good. But now its out of cash and I rspec'd it as a 1h archer with 2 stacks of arrows to play in siege.


Edit: A shield is good to block arrows, sure, but the weight means you'll never reach the fucker pew pewing you. The archer should be mostly screwed if engaged in melee and cav should rape them to hell and back.

Just use the shield to block arrows, dont engage archers in 1on1 instead try pushing them out in the open, atleast thats what i try to do.
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Re: Give archers some of their melee power back!
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2011, 09:44:41 pm »
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- Make two sets of arrows cost 1 slot, so they can have a proper melee weapon.

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Re: Give archers some of their melee power back!
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2011, 12:28:36 am »
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Go to hell Gravoth the shield slows you down too much to keep up with the archers.

I had a plated archer with 70 wpf a longsword a hornbow and some arrows, never ran out of arrows and I could melee good. But now its out of cash and I rspec'd it as a 1h archer with 2 stacks of arrows to play in siege.


Edit: A shield is good to block arrows, sure, but the weight means you'll never reach the fucker pew pewing you. The archer should be mostly screwed if engaged in melee and cav should rape them to hell and back.

You can still catch archers with a shield, HURR DURR I'M BOB I RUN A FUCKING 30/9 BUILD IN FULL PLATE, SHIELDS ARE TOO HEAVY CAN'T CATCH ARCHERS.

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Re: Give archers some of their melee power back!
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2011, 01:35:36 am »
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I used to play a shielder and I have a shielder alt.

And I got upkeep raped recently, so its back to the shitty paper gambeson.
And I have 31 strenght and throwing daggers to kill archers.
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Re: Give archers some of their melee power back!
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2011, 02:15:24 am »
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No thanks, the age of robocop archer + 2h is over already it was crazy and i do not want it back. Not even a shield would help against a roboarcher since they can simply fight you in melee being pretty much just as good.

You're one of the better polearmers on EU server and you have that special thing called polestun. You'll do just fine.

And not many archers are good in melee. Many can block decently but they aren't good at attacking.

On topic: For this to happen, slot system should be removed.

And if that ever happens and WM get buffed a bit I'm 100% sure that Chase would instantly respec into such hybrid archer.

Even I would install the game again and respec my nearly lvl 34 pure 2H to lvl 33 archer-melee hybrid.

I can imagine the faces of those who get close to Chase and then he pulls out his Danish GS and annihilate them just as efficient as he does now :D

Yeah give melee power to archer, we'll all be archers in that case.


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Re: Give archers some of their melee power back!
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2011, 02:18:13 am »
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Why dont we just give lazer blasters to everyone.100 pierce, 100 missile speed, 100 speed rating, 1000gold and 0 slot.
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Re: Give archers some of their melee power back!
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2011, 02:32:46 am »
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I actually want this to happen.

I do want to play sub 7 armor weight (I already decoded what I'll wear), 160 archery wpf, 100 2h wpf lvl 34 archer with 18 str 24 agi, 6 PS/PD 8 WM/AGI. I would be using loomed longsword, loomed horn bow and one (two if they make it possible) stack(s) of loomed bodkin arrows (34 total).

My armor would be fully loomed as well and I would have 13 head, 40 body and 35 leg armor. And I would be good looking archer on top of that.

100 active wpf and longsword would make me pretty strong and annoying in melee and I would still be able to kill most people in 3 or 4 shots.

Paul, make it happen!

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Re: Give archers some of their melee power back!
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2011, 02:36:30 am »
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Keep in mind that any buff to archers (who pay more skills then usual due to being able to hurt anyone anywhere) will also buff horse archers (who pay the highest of any "class" skill wise and equipment wise for obvious reasons).

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