[STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot

[BADPLAYERold]

These weapons are the best support weapons in the game, with extremely long range, decent pierce damage and polestun. This is supposed to be balanced by them not being very good in dueling situations (Can only thrust with them now, and the length can be a bit of a problem when fighting 1v1), however because they are only 2slot people using them can carry another polearm/2hander/1hander and 1slot shield so they can switch to that and have no disadvantage in 1v1s. I think using the best support weapons in the game should come at a cost, that cost being that you cannot bring another weapon with you to use when you don't have your team to hide behind.

Also Bamboo Spear as 3slots because if Long Spears/Pikes were changed to 4slots and the Bamboo Spear was still 2slots everyone would just switch to that and it wouldn't be much better. With 3slots you can still use a 1slot shield with it if you want to do some hopliting so it can be used for that still.

[Tears of Destiny]

I can understand 3 slots, but 4 slots seems overly harsh.

EDIT: You still ride that Cataphract, right?

[BADPLAYERold]

I can understand 3 slots, but 4 slots seems overly harsh.

EDIT: You still ride that Cataphract, right?

Yeah but i'm not making this suggestion as cavalry, all I have to do as cavalry is avoid them and i'm fine (and even when I do get reared up by them, as you said I ride a cataphract so it doesn't do much ). When I play as infantry though there is no getting away, you can't get into a group fight without being stabbed by 3 pikes/long spears and the only real counter is using one yourself.

[Digglez]

i'd be fine with 3 or 4 slots if dmg was actually HIGHER than shit like awlpikes

[POOPHAMMER]

Yeah but i'm not making this suggestion as cavalry, all I have to do as cavalry is avoid them and i'm fine (and even when I do get reared up by them, as you said I ride a cataphract so it doesn't do much ). When I play as infantry though there is no getting away, you can't get into a group fight without being stabbed by 3 pikes/long spears and the only real counter is using one yourself.

Agreed, people will just say "hurf durf block down", but when they are coming from multiple directions, on top of having people with non stab weapons attacking you from each side, and not being able to block due to pole stun, it just gets overly retarded trying to do anything on foot depending if the pike squads are on the enemy team

[Thucydides]

its alright, hoplite is more fun anyways

[Smoothrich]

everyone just uses pikes and becs for when they get in 1vs1, unsheathable pikes didn't really fix the pikespam problem at all

[Stormcrow]

just make them unbalanced and slower. A pole weapon thats 12ft long should not be balanced

[justme]

i use l awlpike, and im fine with 3 or 4 slots..

[Gurnisson]

Prefer 3 slots on all of them. One-handers should be possible to carry as back-up.

[Jarlek]

I'm in favor of making weapons much more different AND make people want to carry multiple weapons for use in different scenarios.

I see where you want this to go, the pike IS too nice when you still can bring a main weapon that can do almost everything. So make it 3 slots, so they can take an inferior backup weapon (1h without shield or 1-slot 2h/pole), increase the damage of them and make them unbalanced.

Seems good?

EDIT: Oh, and add crusthrough. Wouldn't really work against infantry because of the low speed, but would be devestating against horsemen because of the speed bonus. Just to fix that silly phantom block or for when you hit them as they swirv away. Yes, I am 1h&shield cav and want this. All for greater variety of weapons!

[Relit]

I would support 4 slots on the Pike (It is the longest weapon in the game), and 3 slot usage on Long spears. A one or two point damage increase would help balance it out.

Note: The pike is already one of the slowest weapons in the game, not sure how a speed reduction would help.

[Dasty]

As a dedicated pikeman, I am all for this. I would be fine with either 3 or 4 slots, I just dont like people who use it to get easy kills and then pull out a bec when shit gets serious.

Would love to see this. 

[Tot.]

3 slots

[Gorath]

I agree.  Nerf ranged.