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Should Long Spears/Pikes be 4slot and Bamboo Spears be 3slot?

Yes!
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3slots for both!
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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2011, 04:33:18 am »
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I'd be more happy simply removing polestun, rather then heap multiple nerfs on it.
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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2011, 09:29:15 am »
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3 slots on all of them.

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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2011, 09:56:55 am »
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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2011, 11:46:56 am »
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As a dedicated pikeman, I am all for this. I would be fine with either 3 or 4 slots, I just dont like people who use it to get easy kills and then pull out a bec when shit gets serious.

Would love to see this.  :D
any shot that shik or a dev can stat there idea about this?

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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2011, 11:48:28 am »
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Yep, 3 slots.

4 is too much, and  ruins the basic "Pikeman" theme, where you can at least have a back up 1h on your hip.
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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2011, 04:02:56 pm »
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i dont think pikes are a big problem, annoying sometimes but i dont think they're breaking melee, i'd support making them 3 slots though, mostly to eliminate the pike/bec combo
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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2011, 10:17:49 am »
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If you take a secondary weapon with a pike or longspear it would make sense if it were a 1hander. As a frequent longspear user, I advocate them both being made 3 slot. (I even use a 1hander as a sidearm despite having only proficiency in polearms)

I think, though, an even more potent fix would be to make nearly every polearm unsheathable. From a support standpoint, polearms win out against other weapon classes. The selection they have available to them is also the most diverse... why should it be, then, that you can take advantage of that diversity on a near constant basis, by carrying a different type of weapon on your back? There should be a choice between good support while using a main polearm and a more one-on-one closeup fighting style.

Perhaps this would make hybrid polearms more common (for a 2hander to put on your back) but ooooh well, I don't really see speccing for diversity as a big deal, as long as there is an investment involved beyond picking the one class that has diversity available to it by default.


Side-note: since the bamboo spear is useable with a shield, keeping it 2-slot would make sense, since you could then carry a 1hander and shield with it. Its lower damage than a longspear and massively lower reach than either of the others don't make it as much of a problem, in my experience. I mean, it still has an overhead attack, how often does that really present anymore problem than the longspear does, in a support role?

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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2011, 03:59:20 am »
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Or you can just take blocking w/longspear, pikes away again

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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2011, 04:36:44 am »
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The only problem with this in my opinion is that it would be an indirect buff to cav... Will see less pikes to counter cav won't we? Not many weapons to rear horses that are long and sheathable (i guess awlpike).

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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2011, 04:48:03 am »
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The only problem with this in my opinion is that it would be an indirect buff to cav... Will see less pikes to counter cav won't we? Not many weapons to rear horses that are long and sheathable (i guess awlpike).

Thats okay we will still have the 20+ archers on each teams with rus bows/horn bows and bodkins range spamming us
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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2011, 12:21:54 pm »
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3 slots on those would be nice. I don't like how it is currently where someone can have a fantastic support weapon AND a fantastic personal weapon at the same time.

As someone who uses a long maul a lot, (3 slots) I support this.
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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2011, 12:31:57 pm »
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I do not think making it 4 or 3 slots would fix the problem. And there actually is no problem. Just you see a lot of pikemen running around, guess what? I see lot of archers, xbowers (both of which manage to 1shot my currently specced char without bigger hassle). I say make bows more slots, so they cannot carry so much ammo and have to choose what to shoot and not carry another badass weapon to smack you when you reach them.

see what i did? If you would want to see this implemented, then why not to make flat ratios on length = slots? Like, under 110 1 slot, 111-120 2 slots, 121-130 three slots and all above 4?


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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2011, 02:59:29 pm »
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The slots for EVERY weapon should be based on length not damage (Long maul 3 slots scythe aka weapons with 180+ length 2 slots only) so yes some weapons NEED to be 3 slots to compensate their big length.

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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2011, 05:05:19 pm »
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The slots for EVERY weapon should be based on length not damage (Long maul 3 slots scythe aka weapons with 180+ length 2 slots only) so yes some weapons NEED to be 3 slots to compensate their big length.

Or weight :)
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Re: [STATS] Make Pikes/Long Spears 4slot and Bamboo Spears 3slot
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2011, 05:10:37 pm »
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Yep, 3 slots.

4 is too much, and  ruins the basic "Pikeman" theme, where you can at least have a back up 1h on your hip.


There are so many 0 slot weapon Christo... you can have 4 slots Pike and sickle, and hammer, and torch. Master of all trades.