Retreat troop conversion way too high

[Keshian]

Recently fought a battle where the enemy retreated with 400 tickets left.  They lost 300 and the enemy gained 300, which basically eradicated all the enemy's losses.  75% near the end of a battle is too high a maximum (just imagine autoretreat when run out of time).  25% is devasating enough.  Not sure if chadz and Co. have played with the numbers enough, but its kind of ridiculous that if you don't lose every one of your tickets, then your enemy's troops get almost fully replenished.  You already lose all your gear and then to add insult to injury to give them all your troops???


Can you guys take a nother look at this and come up with something less game-breaking?

[Dehitay]

Having the forced auto-retreat cost you any tickets is a bad idea in my opinion. I say if auto retreat is forced, you should keep everything you have left. And then if you want, attack again with that force. It's only voluntary retreats that should cost you tickets and equipment.

Btw, what exactly is the formula for the cost of a retreat? I remember reading during the last strategus, that the dev team wanted to make it based on how long the battle went on. I originally thought it was just 50%, but that definitely wasn't the case with the Tulbuk defense.

[Digglez]

i dont get why the troops goto the enemy, they should be destroyed...they are cowardly conscripts that are deserting their army to go home.

Losing half remaining troops & equipment would seem like a much better retreat mechanic

[Slamz]

i dont get why the troops goto the enemy, they should be destroyed...

I agree with this.  I would consider something like:
25% destroyed (the ones that vamoosed or were killed trying to vamoose)
25% given to the winner (the ones you captured that switched to your side, similar to single player)
50% returned to the retreating army


Maybe it could even be a factor of army speed.  Like the above values are the base but the chances are modified based on army speed.  Retreating army is faster = more of them are returned.  Retreating army is slower = more of them are destroyed and captured (disregarding quick march).

[chadz]

needs more info.

attacker or defender retreated, how many troops did it start with on both sides, at what time did the retreat happen. there's many things influencing that variable.

[Mannhammer]

needs more info.

attacker or defender retreated, how many troops did it start with on both sides, at what time did the retreat happen. there's many things influencing that variable.

The Battle for Tulbuk
1) Attacker Retreated.
2) Starting Attacker Troops (1508).
3) Starting Defender Troops(1921).
4) Attacker sounded retreat 63 min into the battle.

[Matey]

just to clarify, mannhammer does mean that the enemy intentionally retreated, as opposed to running out of time and automatically retreating.
also, the enemy was down to 400 troops when they retreated and after the battle had only 100 left.

[PhantomZero]

Why the hell does the winner gain retreating troops anyways? Equipment, fine, but why troops? Wouldn't the retreating troops just desert and go back home? Or side with their former faction if they ever came into battle again?

[Digglez]

I agree with this.  I would consider something like:
25% destroyed (the ones that vamoosed or were killed trying to vamoose)
25% are taken prisoner by winner and ransomed for 5-10g each
50% returned to the retreating army


Maybe it could even be a factor of army speed.  Like the above values are the base but the chances are modified based on army speed.  Retreating army is faster = more of them are returned.  Retreating army is slower = more of them are destroyed and captured (disregarding quick march).

^^^

[Dehitay]

just to clarify, mannhammer does mean that the enemy intentionally retreated, as opposed to running out of time and automatically retreating.
also, the enemy was down to 400 troops when they retreated and after the battle had only 100 left.

I was under the impression that they ran out of time and automatically had to retreat. Has anybody from Hospitaller told us that they purposefully retreated?

[Matey]

@ Mannhammer   - We sound the retreat it wasnt the timer.

[Dehitay]

Well, Fallen just routed an army when they had 33 troops left and got all of 1 troop out of the battle. Considering it used to be 50%, I'm assuming something changed. Was there a thread about this that I missed?

Either way, can somebody just post out what the retreat formula is?

[Keshian]

Its probably based on how early in the battle the retreat happened.  But it should amx out at 25-50% not 75% which gets too ridiculous.

[Vibe]

10% to join the enemy army, 30% to run away scared.

[dodnet]

If you were taken prisoner in a fight you start fighting for the enemy? How is that realistic?