Archery

[UrLukur]

How many times do you get headshotten? Honestly? Only few people aim at heads and actually do it on purpose and actually hit anything. And im preety sure you arent using helmets only against ranged...*hint* melee *hint*.... about headshot damage... i would understand if the enemy was using a plate helm... but honestly.. a ninja (like 10 armor or less helm?) survives from the best 6PD statwise L31 archer possible? (almost no ath,no PS,etc)..

PS 6 ? Not best bow ? Against melee helmets are not good, at best they can make sucky hits from 1h bounce off, solid hits are one hit kills, 2h or pole hits are one hit kill too. Many times i was headshot'd .

Main problem of helmets is that they sucks against big hits, and all hits against heads are big hits, especially those with good speedbonus.

Problem of helmets lies in low reduction values and high soak values.

Oh, and you shoot from long range, you lose damage when shooting over long range.

[Patricia]

Hell, just go pd10, it gives you an accuracy bonus and kills everything in 1-2 arrows.

[Mtemtko]

PS 6 ? Not best bow ? Against melee helmets are not good, at best they can make sucky hits from 1h bounce off, solid hits are one hit kills, 2h or pole hits are one hit kill too. Many times i was headshot'd .

Main problem of helmets is that they sucks against big hits, and all hits against heads are big hits, especially those with good speedbonus.

Problem of helmets lies in low reduction values and high soak values.

Yep, 6PD and most WPF possible to get by L31 with 6PD(even if i would convert the 2ath leaving me with 27agi,i wouldnt have enough for 9WM,not at L31), and the warbow im using has 1cut damage less than longbow (once its MW,its going to do the same damage as LB).... about helmets again... go to a duel and duel for a hour with a helm (35+ armor) and then without helm... you'll see the difference so cut that shit out.

Hell, just go pd10, it gives you an accuracy bonus and kills everything in 1-2 arrows.

PD kills wpf therefore it kills damage, accuracy AND speed , while the damage is abit better in the end the accuracy will be worse than 9PT throwing lances with 90WPF while running.

[UrLukur]

Hell, just go pd10, it gives you an accuracy bonus and kills everything in 1-2 arrows.

Right, i forget about it. Use adequate bow, khergit or nomad fit this build best, use either.

[Patricia]

PROTIP: prof is overrated and almost useless past 120ish post patch, just go PD 10, you get like 14% damage bonus per PD compared to like 17.5% damage bonus per 100 prof, just stop stacking WM and prof like a stupid fuck.

I hope you realize PD over bow req = accuracy right?

[Mtemtko]

I hope you realize PD over bow req = accuracy right?

Oh god,what have i done so wrong with  my 11PD spec for it to be so innacurate?
Backup what you have just said.

[Patricia]

11PD SPEC HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I AM MTEMKO AND I CANNOT INTO GAME MECHANICS ))))))))))))))


That's why I hate arguing about balance, 90% of the time it's players who doesn't know jack shit about the game mechanics or just suck at the game OR BOTH.

[Cup1d]

I hope you realize PD over bow req = accuracy right?

No. It doesnt work with strongbow, longbow and warbow.
So, please, stop suggesting about archery. You just dont know what you speak about.


Mte, dont waste your time on trolls.

[Patricia]

Speaking? Oh shit am I in teamspeak? holy fuck.

Also, just for the record, I have an archer with 90 prof and I can effectively and easily hit people from far away, either you're doing something wrong or you just suck massively at the game.

[Gurnisson]

Against melee helmets are not good, at best they can make sucky hits from 1h bounce off, solid hits are one hit kills, 2h or pole hits are one hit kill too.

I'm sorry, but you've got absolutely no clue of what you're talking about. You know that a spiked club (1H) can one-hit a guy without a helmet, while it will bounce or deal carp damage on anyone with 20 head armor or more? Roughly.

[Adamar]

I have 6 pd for longbow use and 138 wp for archery and My reticule still wont let me head shoot people about 10 metters away.

edit: Only people who actualy play as archers should be allowed to vote on this one.

[Patricia]

I have 6 pd for longbow use and 138 wp for archery and My reticule still wont let me head shoot people about 10 metters away.

edit: Only people who actualy play as archers should be allowed to vote on this one.

You can still headshot people, reticule has nothing to do unless you need pin point to be able to shoot anything, I have FAR from a pin point reticule but I still know how to aim someone for an headshot.

[Nemeth]

Oh god,what have i done so wrong with  my 11PD spec for it to be so innacurate?
Backup what you have just said.

Maybe beacause with 11 PD your wpf is shit? Kesh did the testing, just browse the countless threads about archery and you'll find what you are looking for.

[Mtemtko]

Maybe beacause with 11 PD your wpf is shit? Kesh did the testing, just browse the countless threads about archery and you'll find what you are looking for.

I know it is shit,thats why i asked him to back up his theory.

[Patricia]

What the shit bro, in the PM you sent me why did you ask if it adds wpf, I never said it added wpf :/.

My theory is still proven.

FROM MTEMKO

After a hour of chatting with mod developers on irc i have come to this:

22:34:18 Fasader: 1pd 200wpf is worse in accuracy than 2pd 200wpf
22:35:49 Fasader: 6PD 200wpf is better in accuracy than 10pd 200wpf.

[23:04] <Mtemtko> What about this "myth" ,if the PD is higher than the bows requirement, you gain wpf?
[23:06] <Urist> No
[23:08] <Urist> there was a mathematical fuckup in trhe past i think, that allowed a wpf increase instead of reduce with very low pd

[22:43] <Urist> 1 wpf is probably the same for all pds becasue the formular cant lower wpf below 0
caps war:
[23:54] <+Mtemtko>  TELL ME WHEN DOES THE BONUS CHANGE,AT WHAT PD?
[23:56] <@Fasader> I HAVE NO IDEA AND I CANNOT BE ARSED TO TEST IT AGAIN
[00:02] <@Fasader> but I don't know the numbers
[00:02] <Mtemtko> you just arent allowed to tell,but you know
[00:02] <@Fasader> I know how to calculate it
[00:02] <@Fasader> but I don't know the numbers

I hope this explains somethings.

FROM A GOOD FRIEND

Blue: Wow
Blue: Mtemtko doesn't even know what the fuck he's talking about
Blue: It was:
Blue: if you had PD x
Blue: and your WPF was beyond the 1:1 WPF ratio
Blue: you acquired BONUS WPF
Blue: the MORE WPF YOU GAINED.
Blue: That's why Kesh was able to MACHINEGUN
Blue: RATTATATATATAT
Blue: with only PD1 or whatever
Blue: Because the lowest PD = LOL SUPERHIGH ARCHERY WPF BECAUSE YOU ONLY GET PENALIZED TO LIKE 40 WPF
Blue: AFTER THAT YOU GET BONUS WPF OUT OF NOWHERE
Blue: [23:08] <Urist> there was a mathematical fuckup in trhe past i think, that allowed a wpf increase instead of reduce with very low pd
Blue: Urist is correct.
Blue: Of course, you didn't have to have very low PD
Blue: you could do it with 5
Blue: and lol i am an agi stacking fuckhat with retirement WPF bonus
Blue: eat my shit and smile please
Blue: 22:35:49 Fasader: 6PD 200wpf is better in accuracy than 10pd 200wpf.
Blue: This I call bullshit.
Blue: Fasaderp doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
Blue: He doesn't even know how armor works.
Blue: Fuck his shit.


Also, I never said the PD over bow req gave any wpf, I NEVER mentionned that, not sure where you're getting that.