A few things that should be considered as a must-do for the next patch or so

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- remove ladders from battle servers

    Why ? Cause battles look retarded these days, a bunch of roof-hugging monkeys climbing their beloved rooftops and then destroying the ladders so infantry that would otherwise     flank them and pick their brains out (what little of it they have) simply cant reach them, also often the same shitheads stand on the air-ladders (against all gravity and physics rules) and shoot people from there, i mean seriously what the hell ?

Lol I like how you call them stupid for using a tactic that makes it very difficult for you to kill them. I think they would be stupid to not climb on the roofs and let the infantry flank them. In my opinion big infantry clusterfucks with archers standing 5 feet behind shooting through the gaps looks more retarded than having archers on rooftops.

- make all roofs unreachable (so you cant even jump on them without the ladders)

   Why ? Same shit as paragraph one, too many incompetent morons getting easy kills (on the infantry fighting below) from hardly reachable places, prolonging the rounds, making "battles" look retarded, etc.....

If they are the ones getting easy kills and you are the one going the hard way about getting kills then surely it is you who is the incompetent one? After all the point of the game is to kill the enemy team as fast and as efficiently as possible so using tactics that results in "easy kills" is surely the smart thing to do. Yet you call them morons again.

- remove unbalanced maps and rework the spawn points on mostly all of 'em

 Too many of 'em, castles, villages on hills that you shouldn't be able to walk on without some alpinistic equipment, some where one team is spawned out in the open so they serve as practice dummies for the archers inside the village, etc

I agree with this I prefer fighting out in the open. I wish one of the servers would start running random generated field maps again.

- make running away and making someone run after you for a couple of minutes across the whole map a banable offence, i mean i really dont mind archers sacrifying their melee weapon for additional stack of arrows but dont fucking run away when we come to kill you, if its your turn to die then stand still and die like a man....taking advantage of your high athletics and making us run around like retards makes no sense whatsoever, if you wanna play like that then youre in the wrong place....some say its "tactic" but its bullshit, its prolonging the round same as youre the last man standing, one competent man can kill dozen of such my old friends but not if they keep running away....you waste our time that we could use to kill your teammates....backpedaling and taking cover to reload your xbow is one thing but running away like a spineless piece of shit without even trying to fight in melee is just.....crap.

First of all I agree that if someone is running away and there is no chance of their team winning then they should be kicked/banned, or even if they are just wasting time fighting pointless odds (you know like if some dickhead Xbow-sniper is hiding Behind trees/buildings/edge of map trying to fight 1vs10 every round wasting everyones time).

However if its lets say 10 vs 8 and you as an archer find yourself being chased by 5 from the enemy team, then it makes sense to lead them on a tour of the map as it allows your team of 8 guys to overwhelm and slaughter the other 5. You can then just lead the  5 guys chasing you to the rest of your team.
If a group of players choose to chase one guy who it is impossible for them to catch while the rest of their team is fighting , then it is they who are the retards as you say gnjus "making us run around like retards". So the answer to this is don't play like a retard and don't chase people you cannot catch.
(as said however If there is only like 2 guys versus 15 and one is running away then they should be kicked/banned.)

Anyway I think Gnjus post can be summed up as - QQ Admins please make the archers let me slaughter them, they keep doing things to make it hard for me to slaughter them like using the advantages of the map terrain or their build designs to make it hard. Its almost like they don't want me to kill them! they are such morons

[Immolarian]

These are indeed things that would improve the game alot.

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Finished reading the rest of the thread.

well maybe if the ladders on battle were indestructible that might help this situation

This is a good idea but maybe instead make it so ladders can be knocked down (both by "f" key and with weapons but also be put back up again like the permanent map ladders) If they were indestructible it would lead to making glitch barricades in siege.

Also

First: I'm not biased

roof-hugging monkeys...... brains out (what little of it they have)........incompetent morons..........less bundle of stickss.........my old friends.............like a spineless piece of shit

lol - Yeah I cannot see either how Tai Feng thought you were biased, I mean its not like you hate them and take any opportunity to insult these players.

[Leshma]

Cavalry also needs some tweaking. As of right now they cant attack anyone who is paying attention(except maybe peasants). This leads to them galloping away from any potential fight trying to fing someone who is afk or has their back turned. I think horses need higher health and armour and need to be cheaper.

Killing completely aware average pikeman using Heavy Lance is perfectly posible. You just need to be very careful and use side stab.

[Leshma]

Btw a must for next patch is removal of construction materials. Even if more than one admins are on, they are preocupied with playing and aren't able to see that archers blocked the access to the roof with CM (not to mention that ladders are bugged on that map aka slow ladders). Only time when admins can see that is at the end of the map when few people stay alone with archers. Using CM to block passage isn't just against the rules, it gives archers huge advantage because they can go into 1st person mode without watching for their backs.

Actually I'm with Gnjus, I would like for construction materials, ladders and siege shield to become usable only in siege mod. It would take away some of the tactic but it will lessen the bundle of sticksry we have to deal every day. I'm sick of dealing with bundle of stickss IRL, I want my game time to be fair and clean as posible.

[POOPHAMMER]

Cavalry also needs some tweaking. As of right now they cant attack anyone who is paying attention(except maybe peasants). This leads to them galloping away from any potential fight trying to fing someone who is afk or has their back turned. I think horses need higher health and armour and need to be cheaper.

Also make pikes cost more/break on impact or some shit. I am tired of getting piked last second, then immediately stabbed to death with the same pike after my horse goes down while struggling to get up. It is like they are made of titanium and not wood, very unrealistic and horribly cheap.

[Gnjus]

Lol I like how you call them stupid for using a tactic that makes it very difficult for you to kill them. I think they would be stupid to not climb on the roofs and let the infantry flank them. In my opinion big infantry clusterfucks with archers standing 5 feet behind shooting through the gaps looks more retarded than having archers on rooftops.

If they are the ones getting easy kills and you are the one going the hard way about getting kills then surely it is you who is the incompetent one? After all the point of the game is to kill the enemy team as fast and as efficiently as possible so using tactics that results in "easy kills" is surely the smart thing to do. Yet you call them morons again.

I agree with this I prefer fighting out in the open. I wish one of the servers would start running random generated field maps again.

First of all I agree that if someone is running away and there is no chance of their team winning then they should be kicked/banned, or even if they are just wasting time fighting pointless odds (you know like if some dickhead Xbow-sniper is hiding Behind trees/buildings/edge of map trying to fight 1vs10 every round wasting everyones time).

However if its lets say 10 vs 8 and you as an archer find yourself being chased by 5 from the enemy team, then it makes sense to lead them on a tour of the map as it allows your team of 8 guys to overwhelm and slaughter the other 5. You can then just lead the  5 guys chasing you to the rest of your team.
If a group of players choose to chase one guy who it is impossible for them to catch while the rest of their team is fighting , then it is they who are the retards as you say gnjus "making us run around like retards". So the answer to this is don't play like a retard and don't chase people you cannot catch.
(as said however If there is only like 2 guys versus 15 and one is running away then they should be kicked/banned.)

Anyway I think Gnjus post can be summed up as - QQ Admins please make the archers let me slaughter them, they keep doing things to make it hard for me to slaughter them like using the advantages of the map terrain or their build designs to make it hard. Its almost like they don't want me to kill them! they are such morons

Lol you little hidden shithead, i couldve guessed that one of you brainfarts will raise in the defense of your "tactics" and "style". Im not gonna waste my keyboard on the likes of you much, ill just point out the bolded stuff: are you really that retarded or its just a role-play ? I wasnt refering to five people chasing one archer, i was talking about one guy who must run after another. 1 on 1, not 5 on 1. Sometimes even the opposite, 1 runs and 3 or 4 flee but thats another story. I run after you, you flee....i turn my back on you, you stop and shoot at me. I turn around and run after you again and you start fleeing. 100 people or so are spectating, most (or all) of your teammates are dead or in the process of dying. Capishi ? I doubt it, your kind cant comprehend that much. So according to you i should just turn my back to a fleeing scumcher and let him shoot me ? So should the rest of the ganking squad ? Very clever, just as i expected from a dedicated archer. Next thing youll propose that i buy a crossbow or some throwing shit. And then you will votekick me for reloading it behind some obstacle. Dickhead. Equip a melee weapon, stop running away and learn to play.

[zagibu]

Finished reading the rest of the thread.

This is a good idea but maybe instead make it so ladders can be knocked down (both by "f" key and with weapons but also be put back up again like the permanent map ladders) If they were indestructible it would lead to making glitch barricades in siege.

They don't need to be completely indestructible, just indestructible for team members of the ladderer. But your idea with the knocking down is even better, although I don't know how hard it would be to code...probably quite hard.

[Gnjus]

lol - Yeah I cannot see either how Tai Feng thought you were biased, I mean its not like you hate them and take any opportunity to insult these players.

Ask Vargais, Jaruna, Mustikka or Gurnisson if i ever had a bad word for them (a few more names could be added here but not much, cant remember everyone now). Not all archers are fleeing spineless cunts like yourself. Any of these people can make a difference but they still dont run for it, they know when its over.

[Mullerian]

If it helps your day, i giggled a bit at the pent up rage you seem to have. It is rather amusing to see you manage to do almost an entire post without throwing in an insult, im pretty sure i heard thats a constructive way to argue your points.

[Meow]

i agree with some stuff but i do not agree with your attitude that everything that you can not get an easy kill from should be removed...

make ladders cost upkeep when you spawn with them.
make em rather expensive so people use them wisely.

if you as the turtle guy still rage about archers just throw away your shield and die when you get tired of chasing an archer.

if he does it when he is the last one alive it's against the rules in case you have the same speed and there is no gain from running.
if it makes sense due to him being faster than you and he can get shots at you it's perfectly fine to do so.

just because you chose to play a melee does not mean everyone else should be forced to be within your axe range 

now feel free to rage on

[Gnjus]

i agree with some stuff but i do not agree with your attitude that everything that you can not get an easy kill from should be removed...

make ladders cost upkeep when you spawn with them.
make em rather expensive so people use them wisely.

if you as the turtle guy still rage about archers just throw away your shield and die when you get tired of chasing an archer.

if he does it when he is the last one alive it's against the rules in case you have the same speed and there is no gain from running.
if it makes sense due to him being faster than you and he can get shots at you it's perfectly fine to do so.

just because you chose to play a melee does not mean everyone else should be forced to be within your axe range 

now feel free to rage on

I just love it how you people twist things around here. Many of you should learn to read with understanding but its not up to me to educate you. Have it your way. 
Btw im not raging at all, i was just stating facts, calling stuff by their real names and making suggestions....you folks obviously never saw a rager.   
I mean seriously...."things that i cant get an easy kill on" ? If any kind of units in this game have ever been easy kills for me then it was archers, even back in the days of early beta plated machine-gun snipers. I would advise you same as the gentleman before you: try reading what i wrote again, and this time a bit slower, with more understanding.

P.S. You people are too concentrated on my "style of presenting things" while you miss the true content and meaning of what i write, you mistaken it for rage while it has nothing to do with it, tbh i do my raging off the forums.  I deliberately avoid the boring "decent" and "serious" style of writing and you hook up to it as the drunkard hooks onto the fence, while you totally miss the point of it. Ok maybe im a bit rude to archers and all that but you cant deny that im right. 

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I wasnt refering to five people chasing one archer, i was talking about one guy who must run after another. 1 on 1, not 5 on 1. I run after you, you flee....i turn my back on you, you stop and shoot at me. I turn around and run after you again and you start fleeing. 100 people or so are spectating, most (or all) of your teammates are dead or in the process of dying. Capishi ?

Well gnjus that is not what you wrote in your original post, all you said was that people who run away when you go towards them should be kicked. However now that you have made yourself more clear I can tell you that what you are asking for is already done. When there is one or two players left on a team and most or all of their team are dead and they are running away like the  scenario in your post, then they do get kicked already. Also I have already said in this scenario I agree with you that they should be kicked.

So according to you i should just turn my back to a fleeing scumcher and let him shoot me ? So should the rest of the ganking squad ? Very clever, just as i expected from a dedicated archer.

This tactic of attacking and running away is called skirmishing. The point being they can harrass you, but you cannot fight back. IMO its a very good tactic and judging from your rage they have been doing a good job in their roll. To answer your question - there is nothing you can do personally, so I recommend you put your shield up and lead the archer towards teamates who can do something about them (AKA not heavy infantry like yourself).

Next thing youll propose that i buy a crossbow or some throwing shit. And then you will votekick me for reloading it behind some obstacle.

People do not vote kick you for reloading behind cover they do it for forcing the winning team to run half-way across the map just to gank one player who is standing on a hill. A considerate player would once realising defeat would charge the enemy preferably before the last few players on there team are dead so no one has to wait pointlessly.

Dickhead. Equip a melee weapon, stop running away and learn to play.

I do equip a mele weapon (heavybastard it is in my avatar ;) ) I almost never runaway from a 1-1 fight, I reckon I get at least a quarter of my kills from my sword and I enjoy manual blocking alot ( I am often to be found on the duel server).

I believe it is you who should "lern2play" my skill less shield turtle friend. After all any any dickhead noob  can

Hold RMB
wait for "clunk" noise
Tap LMB
Repeat

Maybe try archery post patch and manual blocking and get some "Skillz"

are you really that retarded or its just a role-play ?

I neither role-play in game or on the forums. However on the topic of being retarded and role-playing I have to ask are you role-playing an "honourable better than the peasant archer scum" knight on the forums or are you really so pathetic and nerdy to really believe people are scum/cunts/bundle of stickss based entirely on how they choose to play a video game. If its the latter then this is probably one of the saddest nerdiest things I have seen in awhile (not that the other is not also sad and nerdy )

[Gnjus]

Amazing. I'm "arguing" with a retard over internet. I recon that makes me one as well.
Thank you for your detailed answer, youve proved both of my points: first that youre a complete and utter moron who cant read, and second that you know nothing of this mod and its community.

[bruce]

Tactical play is when you play solo rambo hero on a blockaded rooftop, and not when you're for instance protected by your teammates and stuff.

Nice to know.