Plz Stop this pewpew madness without overnerfing it.

[Xant]

5-6 is a lot of Shield skill.

[Gorath]

5-6 is a lot of Shield skill.

This.

Any more than 5-6 shield skill is some stupid gimmick build.   

[Old_Sir_Agor]

This.

Any more than 5-6 shield skill is some stupid gimmick build.   

kingrim has more and he rock

[Jarlek]

kingrim has more and he rock

kingrim is special.

[Corwin]

I will use this opportunity to once again remind that we did have already poll regarding this.
Despite the fact that around half of players think that some cut damage should return, and that it is obvious that some changes are necessary, the only reply we received was from Urist, and that can be summarized - no, we wont do it.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,16652.60.html

Forgot to mention another indicator of overpowered weapons, and that is the marketplace. If you want to see what is considered to be powerful in player base - check the prices on market. Compare the prices of bows and arrows with other weapons.

[San]

If you didn't have to move your entire shield just to look around, getting hit past your shield would be a little more bearable. ~ isn't as effective because I try to look for cavalry flanks and won't be able to turn fast enough once I see them.

[Dezilagel]

If you didn't have to move your entire shield just to look around, getting hit past your shield would be a little more bearable. ~ isn't as effective because I try to look for cavalry flanks and won't be able to turn fast enough once I see them.

There is a "freelook-key" you know?

[Kophka]

I will use this opportunity to once again remind that we did have already poll regarding this.
Despite the fact that around half of players think that some cut damage should return, and that it is obvious that some changes are necessary, the only reply we received was from Urist, and that can be summarized - no, we wont do it.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,16652.60.html

I can't believe how many people completely ignored Tennenoth's post in that one. That a was an extremely well thought out and worded argument. It should carry a huge amount of weight, because Tenne has been a dedicated archer since he started playing, and was/is one of the best in EU, as well.

I quote :

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Alright, so after being asked to post here with my opinion, why anyone would want that completely bypasses me but none the less, here's my opinion.

I'm at a crossroads to be honest... On one side, you've got the arrows determine the damage type, perfectly acceptable in the realworld. On the other hand you've got the gameplay and balance argument, whereby different sub-classes of each class should be specialised in different areas, having the ability to pick more damage for a sub-class that previously didn't specialise doesn't make sense from that point of view.

The game has got many different types of weapons and armour interlapping over many different time frames.
If you think about it, and please don't go too deep into things here, but Bodkins were used against mail & plate by the British since they were more adept arrows at piercing armour while more "khergit style" people you were more well known for their horse archery skills would have been fighting people with lighter armour, more easily cut so cutting arrows would have been much more useful.

Now, we all know that this doesn't happen within cRPG because of the crossed timezones and armour types, pierce has always seemed to be better across the board with more of an advantage at the heavier range of equipment, makes perfect sense but when you start allowing bows that would never have fired a piercing arrow because of what they were designed to fight, it starts to become a grey area and you have to stop thinking about realism or even logic because it's perfectly acceptable to say "all bows can fire all arrows" because unlike for example, crossbows or guns, the bolts/bullets need to suit to the barrel size etc, I mean, if you had a twig, you could effectively fire it from a bow, but try shoving one into your gun and you know it's not going to end well.

From that point, it brings me to why I believe that from a gameplay point of view, having bows with different abilities, in this case, the longbow being the only bow to use pierce damage, makes sense, it's a lot slower than the cutting bows, it's got only slightly better range than other bows these days and therefore needs something to identify itself as being a worthwhile weapon other than it's stunning good looks.

I find it rather disconcerting that people are able to run around on horseback using bodkin arrows, Horse Archers, and please don't get me wrong, have always been a sub-class, one that is there to get its kicks from being a massive pain in the arse, they should be able to get kills but they shouldn't be firing at heavy armoured targets because lets face it, they wouldn't be in their set time zone.
With regards to that, taking the horse archery bows onto foot again, the same thing really, these bows are supposed to be fired quicker and the way the game balance works for these is that they're supposed to be the fast weak bows that are still viable to kill, while the Rus Bow is the mid-way bow, reasonable damage and reasonable speed at the cost of 2 slot while the longbow is the "damage god" but uselessly slow.

I honestly still don't have many problems with the horn bow/tatar bow wielding horse archers/footarchers but that's just by the way I play, i'm not exposed or helpless against them and therefore can dispatch them pretty effectively while melee will see them more and more often because basically to be frank, you're bloody easy targets with your lack of shield, slow movement speed & lack of spacial awareness.

In short, arrows dictating the damage type needs to be tweaked at the very least, not a fan of handing out buffs to sub-classes of archery that really didn't need them because they chose those sub-classes in order to play the way they wanted, doing more damage just increases the incentive to go for one build over another. As I said, the longbow being the only piercing bow allowed for people to go specifically for a longbow build to do high damage because they wanted to play like that, if they wanted to be faster, then they went for the hornbow/rusbow.

I hope that makes sense, but in short, I really don't care about what happens as long as the longbow stays piercing although I do like the idea of the "arrow logic" but the gamebalance appears to be, from a melee perspective, to be buggered.

[San]

There is a "freelook-key" you know?

Is that a key other than the one specifically mentioned in my post?

[Dezilagel]

Is that a key other than the one specifically mentioned in my post?

Ninja'd

Anyways, just run sideways to look around, that's what I do.

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

i need to rage somewhere. an archer took off 75% of my hp with a shot to my lower body in my loomed plate and mail

aaaaaaarg

3 times arrows and bow, 10 pd?

QQ

[Arrowblood]

i need to rage somewhere. an archer took off 75% of my hp with a shot to my lower body in my loomed plate and mail

aaaaaaarg

3 times arrows and bow, 10 pd?

QQ

                           that was sebastian and hes lvl 33 i think     dont cry about 1 archer who deals damage like this.  hes not that accurate and definatly DONT needs a damn nerf.

[BranStark]

Yeah the only thing that pisses me off about archers is the roof camping.

Last time I played, every round came down to the 15 idiots on the unreachable roof, and the rest of us on the ground running around like chickens without heads, trying to avoid the rain of badly aimed arrows.

So much fun! 

[Lactose_the_intolerant]

problem is, it happends more often then rarely

[_Sebastian_]

i need to rage somewhere. an archer took off 75% of my hp with a shot to my lower body in my loomed plate and mail

aaaaaaarg

3 times arrows and bow, 10 pd?

QQ

Yeah...
It sounds like me.

Its true that I can kill all heavy tincans with only 2 shots in the body, because of the 102 pierce damage.
But its a long way to make a 10PD + mw longbow + mw bodkins build playable.

Im lvl33 and I reached gen.16 and 65mil xp, so I need 15mil xp to lvl34 and then I will get 160wpf in archery.
And...
160wpf isn't that accurate, because PD over 5 decreases the bow accuracy.

I think I'm the only archer in the whole cRPG who deals such an "OP" damage,
so I hope you can deal with it.