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Is this admin doing their job correctly?

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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2012, 10:40:00 pm »
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All you Fallen can scramble and grasp at straws for your failing admin, but try to take a step back and look at this from an objective standpoint.

His approval rating is negative, and there are multiple active voices against him. All the defense in here is from a single party - Fallen.

What's to be said of this fact?
Just because I troll doesn't mean I don't care.

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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2012, 10:42:04 pm »
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Um, isatis is not fallen, and "our admin" dio is not fallen either...
Out of the three of us, only one of us is Fallen... So...

Lol?

Is this "fact" the same as you telling me not to speak because "I was not there" even though I was?

I'm not sure how you can say "look at it from an objective view" when you are 1 directly involved and 2 keep getting "facts" wrong too...  :|

So from an objective viewpoint this

His approval rating is negative, and there are multiple active voices against him. All the defense in here is from a single party - Fallen.

What's to be said of this fact?

Is proven false.
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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2012, 11:00:18 pm »
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You seem to be unable to separate me and LLJK's complaints, so let me put this simply.

One night, two complaints. One unjustified ban, and one incident left unresolved.

His poll here is negative.
Just because I troll doesn't mean I don't care.

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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2012, 11:04:57 pm »
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You seem to be unable to separate me and LLJK's complaints, so let me put this simply.

One night, two complaints. One unjustified ban, and one incident left unresolved.

His poll here is negative.

See, now you are stating facts and more reasonable personal opinions, instead of a Fallen conspiracy, this I can accept.
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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2012, 11:15:35 pm »
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You're ignoring the context of my comment.  You were spamming chat, both admin and general, and being a real pain in the ass.  You reported a player to me for teamwounding/tk-ing and I warned them.  You then went after me aggressively for not being aggressive enough.  I responded that having not seen the incident myself I couldn't just ban them outright.  I made it clear that if it happened again I would take more significant action besides warning the alleged rule-breaker.

I could have gone spectator and watched the offending player.  I could have gone spectator and watched you for a few rounds.  I could have responded to every comment you made - including the many insulting and unduly rude comments made in both general and admin chat.  I didn't.  Why?  Because I was one person looking after 110 players on a large map after taking three months away from cRPG.  I wanted to play the game, make sure folks had an okay time, and hang out with people I haven't hung out with in a while.  Instead I got lambasted in green text and insulted as 'the worst admin' by players who had never encountered me before.  I didn't see repeated offences and so made sure not to punish players unduly.  This is my policy, whether or not it's an acceptable standard I'm no longer sure.

If Shik, or anyone else with the powers, decides to take away my admin powers then I'm happy to let go of them.  I came back to have fun and instead got shit.

You get what you give. This is not just your personal playground. We're here to have fun too.

Just because I troll doesn't mean I don't care.

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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2012, 01:05:29 am »
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One night, two complaints. One unjustified ban, and one incident left unresolved.

His poll here is negative.

After discussing it with the admins we've found that the ban was itself warranted but that the length was unduly long.  The other issue you mention is actually two distinct questions: (a) was I right to tell a player to "shut up" for spamming chat? and (b) ought I to have acted against the reported player?  In the case of (a) I find myself justified, because filling both the green and general chat with abuse and unnecessary complaints isn't appropriate ("use common sense" => take these problems to the forum).  In the case of (b) I find myself justified in not banning the alleged abuser on the grounds that it's reasonable that not every admin check the forums in order to find and judge rule-breakers.  The evidence required to make the decision on the forums was not, at the time, evident to me in-game.  Dark Karma afterwards went ahead and reviewed the evidence on the forum and dealt with that case as it was due. 

Beyond this I don't see what else there is to say.  The admin agree that I was justified in issuing a ban, and I find myself justified in telling spammers to take their grievances to the forum.  As for the poll - okay.

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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2012, 01:14:51 am »
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Why are you making such a drama out of this?

Every time an admin kick someone, it goes like this in the chat:

-"ABOOOSE"
-" WTF ADMIN YOU FUCKING CUNT"
- "omg admin is an idiot loololoolol"
- "That was not delaying you cocksucker"
- "worst admin ever"

etc...

Chill out. Don't get surprised if an admin can't take all that crap anymore. For every good decisions they make, there's one guy that will always disapprove. Even if the admin is wrong and you are right, no need to make such a story out of it. Admins are allowed to make errors from time to time.

As a general rule, don't be an ass when talking to people. They might listen to you more carefully.

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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2012, 01:17:06 am »
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Death is a fun way to pass the time though, several little bullets moving in staccato.
The terror of my reign will live on in infamy, singing when they die like a dead man's symphony.

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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2012, 01:33:51 am »
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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2012, 02:09:43 am »
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LOL!! (you would have gained a +1 if I could, rage!)

All you Fallen can scramble and grasp at straws for your failing admin, but try to take a step back and look at this from an objective standpoint.

His approval rating is negative, and there are multiple active voices against him. All the defense in here is from a single party - Fallen.

What's to be said of this fact?

cool i'm a fallen now! Oh wait... so now i must hate occitan! oh no! they my ally and french buddies!! OMG what can I do?

Um, isatis is not fallen, and "our admin" dio is not fallen either...
Out of the three of us, only one of us is Fallen... So...


ouf Tears saved me from this hate cycle!



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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2012, 02:32:51 am »
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The fact that you chose to ban me instead of others that have far more offensive "spam" is the main problem here. I was "spamming" about you, and your inadequacies as an admin. While others constantly spam racist, homophobic, and generally destructive speech.

I wasn't banned because I spammed anything; I was banned because I hurt your feelings.

If you want to take out your anger on cRPG I suggest that you do so through playing, and give up your ability to affect other's good times.
Just because I troll doesn't mean I don't care.

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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2012, 02:58:00 am »
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The fact that you chose to ban me instead of others that have far more offensive "spam" is the main problem here. I was "spamming" about you, and your inadequacies as an admin. While others constantly spam racist, homophobic, and generally destructive speech.

I wasn't banned because I spammed anything; I was banned because I hurt your feelings.

I did not ban you because you offended me or for anything remotely similar to that.  I ban people who don't use their common sense in-game, and who don't listen to admin instructions.  After being muted (and deliberately circumventing the mute) you continued in your same course unabated.  The mute was for what you were doing, the ban was for not taking a hint ('go to the forums!  This isn't the place for this kind of discussion").  The ban succeeded, somewhat, in that it got you onto here instead of filling up my screen with angry white and green text.

As for other players acting inappropriately I deal with them on a case by case basis.  Last night I warned a player because it was reported to me that he was saying racist things in teamchat.  The night before that I warned players twice for not "being civil" in chat.  Where you're different from these cases is that you persisted despite repeated warnings to the contrary.  I gave you ample opportunity to stop what you were doing and suggested alternative ways to vent about your problems (the forums!). 

Though it's true that I don't catch everything this isn't news to anybody.  The reason why we have green-text chat is specifically so that significant things can be brought to our attention which we may have missed.  It's not for hectoring or any kind of debate. 

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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2012, 03:41:57 am »
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Are you sure? Because that's what it seemed like. The line between intention and perception is one that you fail to grasp. People felt that I was banned unjustly and you did nothing but spam the same message over and over.

So your motivations are negligible in this discussion, and your inability to discern this dichotomy shows a very real and very explicit flaw in your ability to moderate.

I did not circumvent the mute on purpose, I alt-tab crashed, reconnected and found myself able to speak again. Of course I continued on my way ripping you apart because you had not provided anything of constructive worth. Which was to expose the fact that you are a terrible admin.

How can you sit there and say it wasn't for personal offence? The first thing you told me when you first entered the server was to not insult admins. Why not? Any other player is open to the gauntlet if they act like a jackass. You all should be as well.
Just because I troll doesn't mean I don't care.

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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2012, 04:08:03 am »
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Meow himself said that his ban decision was supported by other official powers.
I'm not normal and I don't pretend so, my approach is pretty much a bomb crescendo.
Death is a fun way to pass the time though, several little bullets moving in staccato.
The terror of my reign will live on in infamy, singing when they die like a dead man's symphony.

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Re: [NA] Sootnik_Diomedes
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2012, 04:10:54 am »
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Under the misunderstanding of my "mute circumventing".
Just because I troll doesn't mean I don't care.