Beeing archer is unplayable!!!

[Tennenoth]

I agree that archery is in a good spot right now (give or take small tweaking).

However, I can't help but disagree that melee is easier to master than archery or that archery has the greatest rewards. It does, however, take better judgement in some cases as you said, but it doesn't take more "hard work" than melee.
Melee is a lot more mechanically-oriented, but now that literally everyone can block 3 feints in a row, I'm seeing the meta-game (of what there is, lol) of it changing up... Chambers really aren't as effective as they used to, I think. Archery on the other hand is pretty straightforward imo.

(I love archery, but I definitely think melee is harder!)

To clarify what I mean what I mean (Yes, I bloody mean it!) by "the biggest rewards" it's early on, once you get up to level and you're able to actually kill things, because you don't have to put in as much effort to get a kill it brings a bigger reward easier if you understand what I mean this time round.

And of course, no one will agree that it is just as hard to master archery as it is to master melee but that's because people don't play the class avidly enough. If you've ever gone up against the dedicated archers pretty much from day 1 in their career, such as Jambi, Nebun or Gisbert then you're in for a tough fight as an opposing archer. There aren't many people that I know of who have gone through most of their cRPG career running as an archer and so I guess, it's harder to see what "mastery" actually is.

I hope that makes sense but I would like to add some more to that if I had time, sadly I don't but I will try and edit it up.

[PieParadox]

Ahh, yes, you clarified everything for me. And it's true, I haven't seen a true master of archery yet (I'm NA ) and so I do not know the limits of it.

And yeah, I don't have class tomorrow so I'm staying up, doing absolutely nothing. LOL.

[Wookimonsta]

if its unplayable, why are there so fucking many?

[v/onMega]

if its unplayable, why are there so fucking many?

Because some new ppl. tend to exaggerate badly?

Your 2 Quivers of Bodkins get repaired?
Oh noes, thats hardly the repair of my gloves.

Now it gets nasty...your bow breaks....wow, oh noes, thats hardly the repaircost of my 2h or 1h sword.

And noooow it gets really nasty....

As an archer you nearly dont pay upkeep for the shirts and hoods you wear....

But every melee / rider idiot might pay additional 2000 or even 3000 g for his upkeep....(in worst case scenarios)

You ever considered playing one gen/half a gen with shit equipment, just to save money?

I made 120k Gold in one freaking week, you can do it too, income is the same for everybody ;-)

Sell a loompoint and be happy...

But please, for the love of god, stop posting nonsense like this into a section where it doesnt even belong to.

And if u are not capable of playing your class....ask for help (if u havent allrdy).
There is enough skilled archers / veterans.

[Christo]

if its unplayable, why are there so fucking many?

What he said.

[Tennenoth]

I'm glad you understood what I meant from my crappy typing! xD

I have no idea what NA is like for archery but I know that EU have a few archers who would be classed in the "master" ranks, the aforementioned would hit it. (And maybe Stulle if he ever came back the skiving git.)

With regards to upkeep, here's what I pay:

Longbow: 777
Bodkin arrows (x1): 354
Langes Messer: 526
Leather Jerkin: 47
Straw Hat: 0
Mail Gauntlets: 240
Rus Cavalry Boots: 29

Total: 1973

Not exactly taxing on the old bank account...

[v/onMega]

I'm glad you understood what I meant from my crappy typing! xD

I have no idea what NA is like for archery but I know that EU have a few archers who would be classed in the "master" ranks, the aforementioned would hit it. (And maybe Stulle if he ever came back the skiving git.)

With regards to upkeep, here's what I pay:

Longbow: 777
Bodkin arrows (x1): 354
Langes Messer: 526
Leather Jerkin: 47
Straw Hat: 0
Mail Gauntlets: 240
Rus Cavalry Boots: 29

Total: 1973

Not exactly taxing on the old bank account...

And I for myself  recognize u on the field from a distance allrdy...
And I know you top the board often, you can defend yourself more then properly in melee (i see you killing more then getting killed xD)...

And thats for 2k gold worst case scenario upkeep....

Yeah....archery is unplayable.

[Leshma]

Right now archery is super easy and super efficient. Even a noob like koldborn end up being first all the time

It was perfectly viable before and pretty strong. I really don't get it why they buffed archery so much. Also damage is completely random...

[Tennenoth]

And I for myself  recognize u on the field from a distance allrdy...
And I know you top the board often, you can defend yourself more then properly in melee (i see you killing more then getting killed xD)...

And thats for 2k gold worst case scenario upkeep....

Yeah....archery is unplayable.

Melee is two handed though! D: That's not archery. (My class allows for reasonable melee skills so I can at least attack back, level 32 with 4 power strike & 61 2 handed weapon Prof.)

Koldborn was an archer originally, always stated that he was a better archer than a melee!

The damage isn't random, it just has such a difference between the highest damage and the lowest due to the range calculations blahdy blahdy blah that it's difficult to judge how much damage you're actually going to take from it.
But the easy way to tell is if you see a straw hat, run into the arrows, they won't hurt you at all!

[Leshma]

Nah I always come from behind, it's something a picked up a year ago while roleplaying ninja

And I didn't mean it's truly random... it's basically what you said. Sometimes I take very little damage under same circumstances and sometimes it's 60% of my health... and that's just stupid.

Loomed arbalest and steel bolts usually take about 75-85% of my HP if they hit me in torso. I laugh so hard when I see some archer with loomed horn bow and bodkins taking 55-60% HP from me. That's just silly.

[Ganner]

I'm glad you understood what I meant from my crappy typing! xD

I have no idea what NA is like for archery but I know that EU have a few archers who would be classed in the "master" ranks, the aforementioned would hit it. (And maybe Stulle if he ever came back the skiving git.)

With regards to upkeep, here's what I pay:

Longbow: 777
Bodkin arrows (x1): 354
Langes Messer: 526
Leather Jerkin: 47
Straw Hat: 0
Mail Gauntlets: 240
Rus Cavalry Boots: 29

Total: 1973

Not exactly taxing on the old bank account...

Heh... Thats the same repair i pay for my horse....

Yes an archers FULL repair is the same cost as one repair of my HORSE(and i ride a destrier not even an armored warhorse)

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

The expenisve thing on archer is that arrows break almost every round.

That was done by devs, because archers were constantly farming gold and it's ok the way it is now.
You have no chance to do something against the arrow-breaking as you can put your wpf in archery, which effects your bow, but not in arrowing or something^^


Ganner, horse is ofcourse expensive, but it doesn't break almost every round.
I have almost every class on a char and on my archer items break more often than on other chars. And because of that they are (lucky us) not that expensive as horses are^^

[Ganner]

You would be suprised at how often the horses break.

From level 15-29 ive lost 70k (not counting the cost of the horse itself)  The only time I recouped any of my money was when i rolled a 5x for about an hour.  and even then i only managed to gain a few K of the lost cash.

And as for the reason arrows break so much is because most archers use multiple slots of arrows, each with their own independent break chance.

Honestly archery is probably the cheapest class to play in my opinion, followed by sheilder.  2 handers and cav repairs on the otherhand can get a bit excessive.

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

I never said I don't agree with archery having less upkeep than others^^

But our stuff breaks more often


Warlord, that calculating doesn't really work^^
You were maybe lucky with your kills.
I'm lvl 32 meaning I should get what...15-20 kills per round?
I know I'm a skilled archer but that doesn't really work and there are round where you get 5-8 kills and there are rounds when you get 0-2 kills....as with every other class

[MrShine]

And as for the reason arrows break so much is because most archers use multiple slots of arrows, each with their own independent break chance.

Honestly archery is probably the cheapest class to play in my opinion, followed by sheilder.  2 handers and cav repairs on the otherhand can get a bit excessive.

They changed arrows in a recent patch legitimately changed arrows so they break more often.  It's rare that no arrows break at the end of a round - quite often it is one or both, which for bodkins will be ~350-700 gold a round.  I know that compared to horses high tier weapons and heavy armor that's small, but considering the break chance is much higher it actually adds up in the long run.

Before the arrow break/upkeep changes I would agree with you archery was mega cheap.  Now though it actually feels more expensive than 1h/shield , maybe on par or a little more expensive than 2h (this could also be my perceptions as I tend to enjoy pretty high multipliers with those builds, whereas archery seems to be more support and dependent on good teams). 

Continuing my journey with x2 bodkins, horn bow, mace, I'm close to level 27 and gained ~10k last night after an hour of playing (at least half of that riding a x5).  So I'm ~5k in the black so far this gen as archer, better than initial thoughts but still pretty marginal.