[STATS] Bec de Corbin Swing damage from 34 pierce to 32 blunt, 93 to 91 speed

[Xant]

The thing is, even if you have 6-7 athletics you still need to be in range to actually fight. Also, even if the person you are fighting has 0 athletics you can't circle around them unless they are terrible. The thing is, a strength build doesn't even need to be good, they just need to be lucky. One hit and a little agi build is going to drop. It's even worse if they are good. Wallace for example, he was a chambering machine. That coupled with the fact that he killed most people in 1 or 2 hits made him a beast. Str builds are just WAY more efficient than agi builds. That being said, I use higher agi just 'cause I like to get to the fights faster. 

Athletics is a huge factor in fights. The skill level in EU is starting to be so high that hitting people is most easily done by athletic trickery, otherwise it takes ages to kill someone. STR builds compensate by making the few hits they get in count, but it's still inferior against good players.

[rustyspoon]

Athletics is a huge factor in fights. The skill level in EU is starting to be so high that hitting people is most easily done by athletic trickery, otherwise it takes ages to kill someone. STR builds compensate by making the few hits they get in count, but it's still inferior against good players.

Killing people quickly is always more of an advantage in a battle unless you are playing duel. For example, With my 1-hander if I'm fighting a str build in loomed armor (which is very common in NA) it could take me up to 12(!) hits to kill him. He can kill me in 2. Who's got the advantage there? Sure I may be able to hit him 8 times before he even touches me once, but that gives plenty of time for one of his friends to come up on me.

Fighting that same guy with my MW German Poleaxe it may take me up to 6 hits to kill him. Again, he kills me in 2. Unless the person you are fighting is terrible, athletics only helps you with speed bonus and your ability to run away.

[Xant]

Unless the person you are fighting is terrible, athletics only helps you with speed bonus and your ability to run away.

Disagree.

[Thucydides]

Bec de Corbin's range is same as 1h weapons why you still QQ ?
Big huge NO from me !
Bec is hard weapon to use and 34 pierce is not OP its like same as 45 cut.

bec will always be op in a heavy strength build envrionment.

[Snoozer]

Disagree.

y do u disagree?

[Xant]

y do u disagree?

Because you can sneak in hits with footwork and make the opponent work harder to keep up with you.

[Dexxtaa]

Give it knockdown, too. That way the Bec will be JUST LIKE ITS INITIAL RELEASE VERSION uheuaheuhah
 
I think it's fine the way it is. People have to close in like a modfok in order to decimate with it.

I don't use it very often for that very reason. You'll see me with my Long Spear simply because the Bec is not a viable option in most fighting conditions.

[Snoozer]

Because you can sneak in hits with footwork and make the opponent work harder to keep up with you.

maybe if there is a massive difference in ath.but even with maybe 3-5 athletics they nullify its effects

[Lichen]

Also the Bec de corbin in crpg is actually the Lucerne hammer

This is a Bec de corbin.
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This is a Lucerne hammer.
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+1 A rename is in order. Coincidentally, I like the name Lucerne hammer much better as well.

[Torp]

After having played both NA and EU (not just 'yeah, i topped XX scoreboard once'), i'd say that bec isn't a major issue, but is a tad too good against armor. The solution, in my opinion would be to either nerf pierce dmg slightly (would also nerf lolstabs etc.) or lower the bec swing dmg by 1-2 points or lower the bec speed by 1-2 points (dmg preferred).

This is no Biased EU/NA post since i have played on EU for 7-8 months and NA for 2 months, which should be enough to get a feeling of how things are on both continents, and therefore this is hopefully more 'objective' than the "EU sucks, bec is OP!" and "NA sucks and so does bec!" posts.

[Dehitay]

Nerf agi so EU too can suffer the OP'ness that is Ze Bec.

Wouldn't the more sensible thing be to just use the EU build if it's the perfect counter to the bec?

[Thucydides]

Wouldn't the more sensible thing be to just use the EU build if it's the perfect counter to the bec?

the reason no one uses the EU build is because everyone has a strength build and plays as a team with longass pikes, thats why the bec is so good in NA, the counter to the bec is countered by the sheer amount of str builds there are on the battlefield.

[a_bear_irl]

Athletics is a huge factor in fights. The skill level in EU is starting to be so high that hitting people is most easily done by athletic trickery, otherwise it takes ages to kill someone. STR builds compensate by making the few hits they get in count, but it's still inferior against good players.

"athletic trickery" aka rangegame just gets you murdered against any decent NA player, i know, i like playing rangegame and die all the time because of it. the EU metagame is backpedaling disguised as footwork and i wish you would just come to grips with that

edit: of course it's also the easiest way to kill bad/new players (aka the EU playerbase)

[Vibe]

"athletic trickery" aka rangegame just gets you murdered against any decent NA player, i know, i like playing rangegame and die all the time because of it. the EU metagame is backpedaling disguised as footwork and i wish you would just come to grips with that

edit: of course it's also the easiest way to kill bad/new players (aka the EU playerbase)

Oh haha. Why does rangegame get you murdered against any decent NA player and how do you people kill other decent NA people then?

[Gurnisson]

"athletic trickery" aka rangegame just gets you murdered against any decent NA player, i know, i like playing rangegame and die all the time because of it.

That's because you suck

the EU metagame is backpedaling disguised as footwork and i wish you would just come to grips with that

No

edit: of course it's also the easiest way to kill bad/new players (aka the EU playerbase)

Stacking strength with lordly armor and a big weapon is the easiest way to kill bad/new players (aka the NA playerbase)