[STATS] Bec de Corbin Swing damage from 34 pierce to 32 blunt, 93 to 91 speed

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Keshian
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Re: [STATS] Bec de Corbin Swing damage from 34 pierce to 32 blunt, 93 to 91 speed
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 03:40:43 »
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Wow, whata  surprise - all Eu saying no to nerfing bec, why its never changed even though highly imbalanced and over-used in NA.  If you are not playing on a server with a bunch of backpedaling, s-key hero, long polearm users, the bec is extremely effective and deadly more than most polearms.  People that actually block and counter-strike rather than backpedal to fight see this all the time.

^sounds to me she pointing out not only back peddlers but even more so back peddling becs

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Re: [STATS] Bec de Corbin Swing damage from 34 pierce to 32 blunt, 93 to 91 speed
« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 14:47:53 »
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Quote from: Keshian on Yesterday at 14:27:23
Because everyone thinks s-key heroes are the height of skill???

So Bec is overpowered when all you need to do is press the s-key to kill the people using it? And you don't even need skill to do that? Also a good kicker can force the Bec user to a rhytm that makes it really hard to land an attack. The bec guy can only attack once, at maximum range, then they need to back off, then come back and attack once again, etc.

^i misinterpreted i thought he said all u had to do is back peddle with a bec


but once again i do not think bec should be nerfed...just saying

[Thucydides]

Someone doesn't know how to use the range of their weapon to their advantage in a fight. If you seriously think Bec and Miaodao has somewhat same reach, you're so far off that it's laughable.

10 length is barely noticable imo.Besides, every bec user in NA blocks the first hit (unless hes some kind of super noob).

[Tears of Destiny]

It is not really ten reach difference

Amount of reach added to weapon length due to animation.

1h
Overhead = +0
Left-to-right = +0
Right-to-left = +19
Thrust = +61

2h
Overhead = +15
Left-to-right = +17
Right-to-left = +13
Thrust = +80

2h Polearms
Overhead = -15
Left-to-right = -7
Right-to-left = -2
Thrust = +19

1h Polearms
Thrust = +50

[Thucydides]

It is not really ten reach difference

Amount of reach added to weapon length due to animation.

1h
Overhead = +0
Left-to-right = +0
Right-to-left = +19
Thrust = +61

2h
Overhead = +15
Left-to-right = +17
Right-to-left = +13
Thrust = +80

2h Polearms
Overhead = -15
Left-to-right = -7
Right-to-left = -2
Thrust = +19

1h Polearms
Thrust = +50

maiodao has 115 length and bec has 120, its around 10-20. Not substantial considering people block first strikes with a bec all the time, its like a requirement to use it.

[Magikarp]

The length is very noticable. NA needs to stop being so biased when it comes to suggestions, bec is no problem on EU servers at all. Even better: I laugh at people using it when I outrange them by more than 20 reach on my swings, not even counting in the lolstabs.

I'd like a blunt version of the bec though, with slightly less damage dealt in blunt type.

[Thucydides]

The length is very noticable. NA needs to stop being so biased when it comes to suggestions, bec is no problem on EU servers at all. Even better: I laugh at people using it when I outrange them by more than 20 reach on my swings, not even counting in the lolstabs.

I'd like a blunt version of the bec though, with slightly less damage dealt in blunt type.

block once, range doesn't matter.

only matters when you're fighting backpeddling bastards, but no one chases those idiots in NA.

[Magikarp]

block once, range doesn't matter.

only matters when you're fighting backpeddling bastards, but no one chases those idiots in NA.

Oh it does, in NA you guys don't like agility too much, here in EU we prefer 6-7 athletics. Which means footwork and outranging your opponent becomes as important as blocking strikes.

[Tears of Destiny]

Oh it does, in NA you guys don't like agility too much, here in EU we prefer 6-7 athletics. Which means footwork and outranging your opponent becomes as important as blocking strikes.

In NA, the instant you back out of reach, some moron and his ten friends (AKA me) decide "Oh look, archer spam."

[Ujin]

Things i've learned from this thread :

1.) Eu players have no clue how to play cRPG

2.) I should remove the "S" button from my keyboard if i want to be cool

[Kingtrisp]

The Bec de corbin "beak" or "fluke" (the big spike on the right hand side) was usally the first thing used when fighting as quite obivously the big spike could tear threw armour and do serious damage! so there is no point in it having blunt damage but if you wanted to get technical it should have a pierce and blunt swing and a pierce thrust.
Also the Bec de corbin in crpg is actually the Lucerne hammer the difference being the Lucerne hammer is longer and has 4 prongs instead of a hammer so the Bec de corbin "Lucerne hammer" that is currently in crpg is doing the correct type of damage as the the left and right swing from the Lucerne hammer would do pierce when compared to the Bec de corbin which would do pierce and blunt

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The intended nerf dosent make much sense either..

Again this^^ seriously stop calling it a bec grrr

[Thucydides]

Oh it does, in NA you guys don't like agility too much, here in EU we prefer 6-7 athletics. Which means footwork and outranging your opponent becomes as important as blocking strikes.

footwork is the usage of movement to create advantageous position for oneself. 3-4 athletics is enough movement to create situations for hiltslashes, double attacks, and even stepping in and out of range. It is only vs high agi chars that str builds cannot footwork, in which case the str build puts on his armor and tanks 8 glancing blows from the agi.

plus, STR builds can tank a lot of rangespam, especially in heirloomed armor. Its NA's way of mitigating the range spam: make arrows as useless as possible.

[wayyyyyne]

Oh it does, in NA you guys don't like agility too much, here in EU we prefer 6-7 athletics. Which means footwork and outranging your opponent becomes as important as blocking strikes.

Every topic about the Bec de Corbin is bound to turn into a "MY CONTINENT IS BETTER THAN YOUR CONTINENT!" thread starring Magikarp as its host

On a serious note: Bec is fine (Eurotrash speaking) but I'm too lazy to elaborate why.

[rustyspoon]

Oh it does, in NA you guys don't like agility too much, here in EU we prefer 6-7 athletics. Which means footwork and outranging your opponent becomes as important as blocking strikes.

The thing is, even if you have 6-7 athletics you still need to be in range to actually fight. Also, even if the person you are fighting has 0 athletics you can't circle around them unless they are terrible. The thing is, a strength build doesn't even need to be good, they just need to be lucky. One hit and a little agi build is going to drop. It's even worse if they are good. Wallace for example, he was a chambering machine. That coupled with the fact that he killed most people in 1 or 2 hits made him a beast. Str builds are just WAY more efficient than agi builds. That being said, I use higher agi just 'cause I like to get to the fights faster. 

[Jacko]

Nerf agi so EU too can suffer the OP'ness that is Ze Bec.

[HarunYahya]

Bec de Corbin's range is same as 1h weapons why you still QQ ?
Big huge NO from me !
Bec is hard weapon to use and 34 pierce is not OP its like same as 45 cut.