[STATS] Bec de Corbin Swing damage from 34 pierce to 32 blunt, 93 to 91 speed

[Xant]

Wow, whata  surprise - all Eu saying no to nerfing bec, why its never changed even though highly imbalanced and over-used in NA.  If you are not playing on a server with a bunch of backpedaling, s-key hero, long polearm users, the bec is extremely effective and deadly more than most polearms.  People that actually block and counter-strike rather than backpedal to fight see this all the time.

Apparently, using the range of your weapon to your advantage is an unknown thing in NAfor Kesh?? Not hugely surprising, considering all the "STR BUILDS FUCK YEAH" posts. Using a bec also makes you much more susceptible to kicks.

[rustyspoon]

Everybody and their mother uses the bec on NA. It is pretty damn common. Sure it's short, but that is even a bit of an advantage now with the recent animation changes. The big problem with the bec is you can 2-hit just about anyone. It is frustrating when using my poleaxe that I may have to hit some armored guy 6 times, when the same guy can run up and hit me twice with a bec.

I think the real problem isn't with the bec though, it's with pierce damage. Pierce damage is effective against everything. It would be nice if weapons had different vulnerabilities towards different types of armor.

[El_Infante]

Wow, whata  surprise - all Eu saying no to nerfing bec, why its never changed even though highly imbalanced and over-used in NA.  If you are not playing on a server with a bunch of backpedaling, s-key hero, long polearm users, the bec is extremely effective and deadly more than most polearms.  People that actually block and counter-strike rather than backpedal to fight see this all the time.

Surprise? If you have a 27/12 build and you get owned by bec, the problem is not the corbin, is your build. EU builds are balanced, because the usual pole/2h guy is 21/18 or 18/21, enough to be out of range of bec. That is the reason why bec is no overused on EU servers.

[Keshian]

Surprise? If you have a 27/12 build and you get owned by bec, the problem is not the corbin, is your build. EU builds are balanced, because the usual pole/2h guy is 21/18 or 18/21, enough to be out of range of bec. That is the reason why bec is no overused on EU servers.

Because everyone thinks s-key heroes are the height of skill???

[Dehitay]

Because everyone thinks s-key heroes are the height of skill???

That or the height of intelligence. I sure as hell don't close in on people with shorter weapons than me regardless of what the other stats are on the weapon. You could be attacking me with a dagger and if I have an elegant poleaxe, I'm still gonna keep as much distance between us as possible. But that's mainly cause I lack skill, and have to rely on smarter tactics.

[Osiris]

I want the old High blunt + knockdown bec back

[Xant]

Because everyone thinks s-key heroes are the height of skill???

So Bec is overpowered when all you need to do is press the s-key to kill the people using it? And you don't even need skill to do that? Also a good kicker can force the Bec user to a rhytm that makes it really hard to land an attack. The bec guy can only attack once, at maximum range, then they need to back off, then come back and attack once again, etc.

[RadamantisS]

knockdowN?????

no thx for long warhamer

[Magikarp]

I'd say give us a blunt damage version, that only reduces total damage dealt, not speed.

[Dezilagel]

Conclusion: NA can't block and thus it is unnecessary to use range as a mean of overcoming your opponent.

/endtroll

Srsly tho - I don't get what the issue is - if you're a full str tincan then you are probably going to get fucked by a short, fast, pierce damage wep. If you have a lot of full str tincans (or if full str tincans are dominating the servers in general) - then you are going to see a lot of short, fast pierce damage weapons.

I've duelled becs, I've seen becs in battle, I've used the bec and my opinion is that it is an average weapon (that was before the nerf).

It's short range forces you to facehug your opponent pretty much constantly - crossing out (well, not really but severely limiting) footwork as a mean of overcoming your opponent which means that any decent player is just going to laugh at your pathetic atempts at getting through his blocks. (Only 1h have the speed/animations to do so effectively imo)

Also - while having a short weapon might be an advantage in massive nub clusterfucks - it is a major letdown once you pass a certain degree of battle skill. Having a short weapon in a melee severly limits the amount of targets you can potentially strike at a given time - making you much less lethal in the big picture (look at pikes!).

The bec fills a niche role - if you're a slow-ass spamming tincan with a long, slow weapon well then just accept the fact that the bec is going to be more effective than other weapons against you. If you're an archer, well then high damage, short (makes you run faster) weapons are too going to be more effective vs you than others.

The bec is fine. Well, imo, it's really not and should be buffed back to how it was previously.

[Leshma]

Conclusion: NA can't block and thus it is unnecessary to use range as a mean of overcoming your opponent.

I went on their siege server recently, one guy who was killing everyone was typical spammer but I had problems killing him cause of high ping (154). One guy was like me, average melee player with str build and he was killing everyone as well (took me 8 hits to kills him...). Others were brain dead pretty much. Using my crap gear I scored a little worse than I do on EU siege which means that NA siege players are even worse than EU siege players, didn't believe that was posible before I've seen it with my own eyes..

[Hisagi]

I went on their siege server recently, one guy who was killing everyone was typical spammer but I had problems killing him cause of high ping (154). One guy was like me, average melee player with str build and he was killing everyone as well (took me 8 hits to kills him...). Others were brain dead pretty much. Using my crap gear I scored a little worse than I do on EU siege which means that NA siege players are even worse than EU siege players, didn't believe that was posible before I've seen it with my own eyes..

Yet dreadnok and I have gone 60+ kills with less than 10 deaths before on EU :/

[B3RS3RK]

Damn Bec lobbyists.Clutch to their OP weapon like it was their dick.

[Xant]

No one who has spoken for Bec uses a Bec

[Thucydides]

Yet dreadnok and I have gone 60+ kills with less than 10 deaths before on EU :/

i topped eu seige scoreboard despite having shitty ping as well

also, the Bec isn't really that short. It has the range of a miaodao and with stunlock its easy as fuck to 2hit someone. But it is a niche weapon really, bec is average vs agi my old friends and the S-key backpeddle is probably the best (read lame as fuck) counter to the bec, that is, if the bec user can't block for shit.