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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2011, 08:27:52 pm »
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Although Tuatha find it hard to control their bloodlust when the enemy comes into sight, it might be good for the lads and lassies of the Celtic Isles to learn a little discipline =) Msg me when you have a TS/forum and I will instruct my berserkers to show up on time and behave as best they are able.

I'm sure the Nditions crowd would give you a TS channel, you definitely have the support :)
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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2011, 09:13:03 pm »
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Added a poll concerning forum.

Merc TS sounds fine.
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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2011, 09:27:05 pm »
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Prolly in, if I have the time and cba.
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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2011, 10:33:10 pm »
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Well, while more people are signing in we can start a bit of discussion.

One thing I have been thinking about is a unit formation like this:

Depending on the amount of people around 7 people wide with as much as 4 ranks.
Side and front covered by shielders with 1h and polearms, mid with twohanders, primarily crushthrough weapon to support shielders (maybe with a polesidearm?)
third rank with archers to counter enemy fire and rear with polearmers to support sides as well as protect rear from horses.

Front

sssssss
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sppppps

S = shielders with 1h and polearm, something along the lines of this:
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2 = Two-handers something along the lines of this: (may need to consider carrying a shield or pokey sidearm (either a very long 2h sword or long spear).
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p = dedicated polemen something along the lines of this:
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a = archers as they are more maneuverable.

Problem with shield walls is often that people find them the end all maneuver. Sooner or later people will get hit by arrows through the shields, so no standing still or if standing still and under fire do it behind real cover like a building or a hill. Shields only to provide cover when marching is needed.
If facing a small group of enemies flanks should be able to encircle the enemy while archers are being protected by the polearms
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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2011, 11:32:20 pm »
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It's a sound theory but in practice you're relying on each member of your squad not only being as good as each other, but at least as good as the enemy. More than likely when faced against an armoured russian charge, a squad of 2h berserkers like the 22nd/Nords or just a pack of insanely good enemies, weaknesses will appear, links will be broken and the formation will split. Instead of putting too much thought into the composition of the squad, I'd like to see a lot more adaptive strategies - like melee units who never get in each other's way but instead know exactly how to turn an enemy so he's forced to show his back to at least one of us, or shielders that know how to properly tank allowing our 2h'ers to break enemy ranks without taking damage, or archers and pikes who are fast enough to keep enemy ranged and cav off our shieldwalls, etc. A plan for every situation and team-mates who know how to execute them.
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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2011, 11:35:26 pm »
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Instead of putting too much thought into the composition of the squad,....

One thing does not rule out the other, I am just opening the discussion with some ideas I have had.
But squad composition and use of it is a part of theory crafting. You might however be right, it might not work.
Thing is, we don't know cause no one has tried.
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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2011, 12:11:47 am »
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Might not be able to use that helmet... What clan tags do we use (for alts ofcourse) or is it just a stick together group?
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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2011, 12:17:55 am »
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No clan tag. I think when we train or test we'll use the smelly fish banner.

Items are just examples, we need to decide upon a good basis for testing and different setups. I think we should focus on cheap to medium items (aka things being used in strat).
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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2011, 03:30:18 am »
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No clan tag. I think when we train or test we'll use the smelly fish banner.

Items are just examples, we need to decide upon a good basis for testing and different setups. I think we should focus on cheap to medium items (aka things being used in strat).
+1 for low tear strat gear

How to be flexible on test server?
So that we can switch fast between compositions of teams, more or less inf/ranged/cav!
suggestion: deathmatch mode + 2 destinctiv sets of armors, if someone needs to join another team he just switches gear and joins again

It's a sound theory but in practice you're relying on each member of your squad not only being as good as each other, but at least as good as the enemy. More than likely when faced against an armoured russian charge, a squad of 2h berserkers like the 22nd/Nords or just a pack of insanely good enemies, weaknesses will appear, links will be broken and the formation will split.

training

Instead of putting too much thought into the composition of the squad, I'd like to see a lot more adaptive strategies - like melee units who never get in each other's way but instead know exactly how to turn an enemy so he's forced to show his back to at least one of us, or shielders that know how to properly tank allowing our 2h'ers to break enemy ranks without taking damage, or archers and pikes who are fast enough to keep enemy ranged and cav off our shieldwalls, etc. A plan for every situation and team-mates who know how to execute them.

the smallest group are 2 swordbuddies(what ever classes we choose to pull together they have a set of task through the combinations of their classes. Those 2 always need to stick together,
if the shield guy runs somewhere the archer follows
if the 2h runs somewhere the pole/pike guy follows
1 class leads always the other always follows
= system


increase that in numbers and you are getting a squad ...

To lead a squad or battalion we need a set of commands

colume on me = folgen/kolone
forward march = Folgen
agressiv line I =Ausdem laufen heraus links oder rechts eine lienie
aggressiv line II = aus dem laufen heraus
closer = näher aneinder
split off = auseinder splittern
circel formation= Kreisformation
Anti Cav= " Mann Rücken an Rücken deckend
adavance on me=auf meine position vorrücken
charge=Attacke!!!!!!!!!
face left/right/on me=nach rechts/links ausrichten von meiner Position
...
less or more of these, this was already a work in progress within the wolves but we didn't train it yet.
Perhaps we can work out a suitable set, which would be preferable used by any clan so if someone joins a strategus battle we are all already used to them. So if we find and agree on a suitable set of commands either a seperate post or please include it later in the first post.
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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2011, 03:54:51 am »
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This is definitely something I'd like to be involved. Room for a small one?
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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2011, 04:06:48 am »
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+1

Perhaps shorter commands and acronyms so people wouldn't need to speak a specific language to understand it, but yeah I totally agree this is what I was talking about. The use of low tier gear also works in our favour to make us faster, so we'd be able to out-maneuver foes and stay in formation with friends.
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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2011, 05:06:13 am »
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I'm in (dedicated arbalester) if you promise to supply me 1 shielder/piker/2hander for defense as it is on that little picture:
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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2011, 05:26:03 am »
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Roman  legionnaires would be more 1h/shield thrower hybrids no? If and when they add roman armors I'll prob make one. They need to add gladius and pilum as well.
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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2011, 12:36:47 pm »
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@Oberyn: depends on the roman era but: The Roman idea was just an example. We need to figure out the best eq composition for this game, not so much fluff :D.

@Kingrimm: I like what you wrote, but do you not believe it could be combined with the unit I wrote? Marching in formation is still key I believe.

@Varyag: The problem with xbows is their lack of manoeuvrability. They have lots of strengths but in this particular instance won't it be hard to keep up with the team?
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Re: [Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2011, 01:08:11 pm »
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