[Cross-Clan EU Unit] The Cult of Mithras - Wednesdays at 18.30 UTC?

[kinngrimm]

Concerning the polearm/thrower hybrids I am a bit worried that they will get defeated by good 1h+shield in close combat.

if we have about 10 people, this class should contribute perhaps 2-3.
Also thrower like polearm can always take the support role and attack from the 2nd rank behind a shielder or 2h.
Aslong they stick to their role and play it smart, there shoudln't be a problem, if they are targeted and they would have high shieldskill, that then should give the others of the team if still alife the chance to to get rid of those who oppose them.


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Not to forget, kinngrimm abused the hell out of the retirement system before and he has everything heirloomed. And also to not mention he has a +3 steel pick, so that's like -7 hits needed, another -1 due to speed bonus.

the problem with trolling is, that the normal reader with less knowledge doesn't know which part may be true, so to clarify,
even light armored targets rarely need only one hit, low level and 0 IF included then perhaps. Medium armored Targets need about 4+, heavy about 6+ hits. Now tell me how many do you need with pole.stun.arm or 2.spam.hand?

@Bjord: Why should I not accept you. As long as people don't troll the shit out of the project every one is welcome.

[Tristan]

Ok. So if we assume we can gather 10 people we will start with the following unit:

4-5: Shielders with 1h/polearm
2-3: Shielders with Polearm/Throwing
2-3: 2handers or polearm with cover shield.

sounds good?

[Bjord]

I agree with the general consensus of STR over AGI. But it should still be balanced, so a slight favour of STR will not affect the efficiency of a big group in motion. Force multiplier transcends most things, after all.

However, people on either flanks of the formation are more susceptible to kiting and/or skirmishing. Which is why I recommend you have at least 60-70% shielders in the formation. Two shielders who know how to co-operate can easily bring down a two-hander. Although, it may prove to be more difficult when facing a polearmer, especially an experienced one. But that's what practice is for!

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at least 60-70% shielders in the formation

I see that is already the case, so I degress!

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the problem with trolling is, that the normal reader with less knowledge doesn't know which part may be true, so to clarify,
even light armored targets rarely need only one hit, low level and 0 IF included then perhaps. Medium armored Targets need about 4+, heavy about 6+ hits. Now tell me how many do you need with pole.stun.arm or 2.spam.hand?

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It's not trolling, I am merely using colorful use of words to explain your reasoning(regarding 8 athletics etc ) to others.

Now tell me how many do you need with pole.stun.arm or 2.spam.hand?

You can't compare 1h with 2h/pole. First of all, we have no shield so we're completely exposed to ranged. Secondly, if a cav couch lances us we are dead. 1h/shield does not run the risk of any of that. And has much higher rate of survivability. In turn you sacrifice damage and potency. Again, the comparison is not logical at all. 

[Tristan]

Ok. So Kinngrim suggested Wednesday to meet. I am only available at 21.00 cest (Umt +2). I therefore suggest we meet at that time.

We start out with active sign-up and a min. of 10 persons.

People can sign-up with 1h/pole/shielder or pole/thrower/shielder or 2h with support shield or pikeman.

I'll update the OP to see who signed-up for Wednesday and which class are still available. I'll update with min. equipment to be used.

[Tristan]

I'm signing up as Shielder/1h/polearm.

Lets not abolish any builds within the frames specified yet and see how that works out.

[Tomas_of_Miles]

I'll make a STF for 1h/polearm if you wish by one of the specified builds, but I cannot make Wednesday.

[kinngrimm]

Ok. So if we assume we can gather 10 people we will start with the following unit:

4-5: Shielders with 1h/polearm
2-3: Shielders with Polearm/Throwing
2-3: 2handers or polearm with cover shield.

sounds good?

agreed

I agree with the general consensus of STR over AGI.
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i didnt see a general consensus here, at least 3 contributers to this thread pointed out that agi beats str, if not in formation though in battle maps. i still am of the opinion that str is overrated as long your build fits your gear and vice versa. Ninajs would say your mind is your shield myself as a manual block nub highly depends on his shield.

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It's not trolling, I am merely using colorful use of words to explain your reasoning(regarding 8 athletics etc ) to others.

semantics and point of view, but ok

You can't compare 1h with 2h/pole. First of all, we have no shield so we're completely exposed to ranged. Secondly, if a cav couch lances us we are dead. 1h/shield does not run the risk of any of that. And has much higher rate of survivability. In turn you sacrifice damage and potency. Again, the comparison is not logical at all.

Well you pointed out the incredible ability to 2 hit people with my build and i brought in my experience with numbers and a comparison , so i did compare, so even if you say i couldn't ;)
I have seen a lot of good 2h/polearm guys rocking scoreboard and they even had shields, used when and if they have been targeted buy ranged, witch increased their survivability, myself has an hybrid build, using polearm as anti cav protection or as support out of the second row. If you go pure in one class it is your choice but then in the same mindset arguing about and against the abilities of others and incapabilities of your own class is a bit shortsited in my opinion. Also i got shot and lanced all the time, like in 60-70% of my deaths. Perhaps we could save this discussion for another thread or agree on not agreeing.

[H4rdn3ssKill3r]

If its that helmet I'm out :/

Can't use it.

[Tristan]

If its that helmet I'm out :/

Can't use it.

I'd hate to through out people because of a helmet. Whats the problem?

It has a difficulty of 8?!

[H4rdn3ssKill3r]

No basically templars have rules on equipment, and thats one of them :3

[Tears of Destiny]

You could create an alt to use the helm.

[Casimir]

So we're gunna make aload of 1h/hoplites and gank the shite outta people?!

If im on my main i wont be able to use that helm though

[RamsesXXIIX]

I sadly won't be able to show up at Wednesday.

BalrogBuru:
Did I talk down to you? If so, it was never the intention.

[Lansamur]

I sadly won't be able to show up at Wednesday.

+1

[BalrogBoru]

BalrogBuru:
Did I talk down to you? If so, it was never the intention.

No not you. I had been argueing agi>str and was dismissed by the OP more than once, then for some reason when you posted the exact same thing I'd been argueing (higher agi controls the fight) he agreed with you. As if for some reason my opinion was not valid although I have no idea why he would discriminate, I can only assume your reputation > mine.

Edit: Back OT - The helm doesn't make sense to a pre-christian roman cult.