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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #300 on: September 14, 2011, 02:45:53 am »
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well what about strategus where there isn't that much cavalry, the fact that strategus uses alot of infantry, well this calls for a nerf, why, there's too many of them, fucking dumb, this is what people sound like, there's a shitload of infantry, nerf them, the fact i can't charge a piker with my horse because i'll be killed, nerf them, the fact an arrow can kill my horse, nerf them, the fact a horse can suprise and kill me from the rear, nerf them, i do perfectly well on foot, if you're having problems then it's your problem, i see 2 handers running around chopping everything to pieces, archers shooting the shit out of everyone, it's just as muffin said in his post, things are pretty balanced as they are...
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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #301 on: September 14, 2011, 03:00:52 am »
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I can't believe some cav players come here and QQ.

It's not like theres something wrong with their score. Lizard man is a good player, 1h cav mostly, and he tops the charts because the 1h cavalry sword he's using gets a massive dmg bonus because of speed. (And he has learned to headslash players, something which is very easy as cav. It's a matter of keeping your view in the right angle. No other players gets such 1shotting power with a 5-6 point investment.

Ofc 1h shield cav is not the biggest problem, it's lance cav getting that bonus at superior range to shielders, most polearms, and most 2h swords. (OK most 2h players use long weapons with a potential to MAYBE kill the horse or the rider, but the cav can choose not to engage an aware 2h. And the initiative is entirely the cav.)

OK, you can beat cav by teamwork, and it's even better if you have terrain features like buildings. BUT,

If infantry needs teamwork to beat cav, its only fair that cav needs teamwork to beat infantry, something that is unheard of.

Why do we have so few planned and well executed cavalry charges in cRPG? (I think I never saw one)

- Because they don't need to do it to get kills or help their team.

I want them to have to rely on teamwork to be powerful. Then perhaps we could get rid of this washing machine of madness, that most often translates to random deaths for the infantry player.
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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #302 on: September 14, 2011, 03:39:40 am »
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well even i have problems with lancers, but i've learned to deal with them, i can beat alot of lancers with my short (in comparison) weapon, and it's pretty much the same on foot, maneuver, attack, even if i can't take a horseman down i can easily defend myself, it's not exactly hard, and cavalry do use teamwork, quite a bit, group up, stick together, attack, simple, but effective, whats so hard for infantry that they can't group up and defend each other, which infact they do sometimes, and cavalry gets ripped to pieces, i was playing earlier today and towards the end of the round it ended up with around 6 horsemen and 6 footmen, all the footmen had spears, polearms or 2 handed weapons, the cavalry were rendered useless, how can you call cavalry op in such a scenario, maybe you should try playing cavalry yourself, upkeep sucks, which in turn makes you have to use lower tier equipment and horses, which are terrible, it's not as easy as you might think, see if you can rack up as many kills as i can on a map, the fact i rack up so many kills is because i've been playing a 1 handed horseman since mount and blade itself was in its beta stage...
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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #303 on: September 14, 2011, 03:46:46 am »
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Cavalry do need teamwork to beat well prepared infantry, lancers dont need teamwork to beat a katana wielder, katana is not designed to combat cav... at all. This is just one example of many where people believe there should be an even fight between every class, so as soon as a length 82 axe is beaten by a length 190 lance its suddenly a shock and something is not working. Simply put, if you dont like cav then adapt your class to be better suited vs cav or adapt your tactics. I'm sick and tired of this coming up, as are most people it would seem ¬¬
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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #304 on: September 14, 2011, 03:58:11 am »
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Why is it okay for cav to be able to beat so many builds without much competition, though?
Would any of you cav players be alright if more weapons were able to deal with cavalry more efficiently?


Cav pretty much forces me to equip a 1wpf polearm at all times, though.

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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #305 on: September 14, 2011, 03:58:36 am »
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Why do we have so few planned and well executed cavalry charges in cRPG? (I think I never saw one)

I also wish these would happen. It probably doesn't happen because horses are extremely fragile, and the riders are prostrate on the ground forever when the horse dies.

Lets say I have 5 good cavalry. Let's give them Warhorses (reasonable, right?), good armor (~40ish?), regular lances, shields, and good cavalry 1 handers (which are cut swords, right?)

We are going to do a cavalry charge into an aware body of enemies, lets say... 10 infantry, supported by 5 archers/xbow men. Is it reasonable to assume that at least 1/2 the infantry have pikes/longspears/some other longish (130+) polearm?

Here's what happens in my experience, in such a scenario :
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Now lets try it with 10 cavalry :

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I can try it with 15 cavalry, but I'm sure it wouldn't be that much different.

Conclusion :  Cavalry just can't charge headlong, the horses are the weak point in the equation.

I may be wrong here, but in my experience as cavalry, polearm infantry, archer, thrower, 1 hand shield, and 2 hand axeman (no huge swords, yet), this is about how it would go. If you think it would go otherwise, please share, I'd be interested to read it.

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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #306 on: September 14, 2011, 04:10:22 am »
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If theres lots of cav bring lots of pikes/longspears and crossbows, christ

This is seriously all you do to stomp a cav heavy team
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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #307 on: September 14, 2011, 04:18:30 am »
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Cav is an EU problem

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If theres lots of cav bring lots of pikes/longspears and crossbows/ranged, christ

This is seriously all you do to stomp a cav heavy team

Pure genius.

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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #308 on: September 14, 2011, 04:21:00 am »
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Most weapons can beat cav tbh :/

-Ranged (bows, xbows and throwing) brings horses down pretty damn fast if they just pay them some attention.
-Many 2h's lol stab will outreach a heavy lance head on if aiming for the horses head.
-Polearms are the melee anti cav.

so that leaves us with short 2h's / polearmers, 1h's and unaware ranged that are weak to cav. Not to mention that with down block and the current lance angle, avoiding lances is easier than ever.

So to conclude I'd say the vast majority of weapons out there are capable of dealing with cav offensively, and defensively all classes with a bit of awareness should be able to avoid harm.
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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #309 on: September 14, 2011, 04:23:08 am »
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Cav isn't that hard to take out... when i get dismount i often change to my 1h and hope an enemy cav sees me as an 'easy kill' so i can get to kill him... works 4/5 times, and when it doesnt, it's because im one of the good players, and since i recognize them, ill just move to the main inf group when they spot me.

if i get charged by several cav i will ofc die, just like if i was attacked by several inf.

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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #310 on: September 14, 2011, 04:37:04 am »
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Dunno the source of this, but someone in native did a test, 10 cav vs 10 pikemen.

Cav won every time.

We should retest this in cRPG.

And mind you, its not in the 1vs1 situation cav is powerful, you know that very well my fellow backstabbers. Cav is powerful because of the natural chaos of a battlefield, by being able to pick, avoid, outrun your targets at will, by being able to bump players to help teammates, by having 1shotting abilities. Multiple cav being able to bring chaos to an infantry formation. The washing machine of circling cav.

Anyway.. It's retarded to discuss this with GK, hardly a neutral clan..

I'm just saying that the infantrymans experience is not very good atm, and that the simplest proof of cav being OP is the constant top scores they rank up on EU1 all day long.

Roofcampers and cav server. No wonder why most people started to play the retarded siege mode :)
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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #311 on: September 14, 2011, 04:47:14 am »
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topping the scoreboard doesn't make something op... :|
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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #312 on: September 14, 2011, 05:05:04 am »
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Dunno the source of this, but someone in native did a test, 10 cav vs 10 pikemen.

Cav won every time.

We should retest this in cRPG.

And mind you, its not in the 1vs1 situation cav is powerful, you know that very well my fellow backstabbers. Cav is powerful because of the natural chaos of a battlefield, by being able to pick, avoid, outrun your targets at will, by being able to bump players to help teammates, by having 1shotting abilities. Multiple cav being able to bring chaos to an infantry formation. The washing machine of circling cav.

Anyway.. It's retarded to discuss this with GK, hardly a neutral clan..

I'm just saying that the infantrymans experience is not very good atm, and that the simplest proof of cav being OP is the constant top scores they rank up on EU1 all day long.

Roofcampers and cav server. No wonder why most people started to play the retarded siege mode :)

You're bad, we get it.

Aren't you a dedicated katana man or something?  Awful class, but with high athletics you should be able to juke cav and slash away at the horse and rider, ninja players do this all the time successfully to me on NA.  If anything the STR builds on NA are at a bigger disadvantage then the EU backpedalers, because they aren't fast enough to avoid couches.  But seriously, 10 cav vs 10 pikes, cav wins?  lol. 
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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #313 on: September 14, 2011, 05:13:14 am »
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pretty sure no one uses pike in native

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Re: Cavalry is clearly way overpowered
« Reply #314 on: September 14, 2011, 05:14:28 am »
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So, to reduce the number of cav, you propose severe nerfs? Slight nerfs scare off the bulk, usually.
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