Remove the ladders from Battle please. POLL

[Cheap_Shot]

Trolls will troll. We can turn off TK's but we don't. If people wan't to troll their team by blocking them with ladders, let them, and they can get banned. At least it would change from boring delayers trolling the other team, to idiots trolling their own team. And we'd get to keep ladders!

It would be a lot more obvious and easy to moderate instead of having poor admins having to sit there every round saying "get down, get down". They could just say. "Oh, you blocked your teammates with a ladder for no real reason. You are someone we won't miss." BAN.

[Bulzur]

I think ladders add a lot of fun and strategy to the maps. How about just make it so they can't be destroyed by the person who places it or their teammates? Just an idea.

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14732.0.html

Bah, ladder lobbyist everywhere. Kill them all.

[Cheap_Shot]

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,14732.0.html

Bah, ladder lobbyist everywhere. Kill them all.

Oh neat. I hadn't even seen that. I GUESS IM NOT ORIGINAL THEN OH GOD ME SELF WORRTTTHHHH.

[Turkhammer]

Nope.

Even if you have a shield, you're a sitting duck while using a ladder, prone to get killed by arrows.

Not really.  It's pretty easy to get up a ladder with a shield unless the archers have a side/back shot.

[Turkhammer]

Here's a thought, carry your own ladder so you can go up after those my old friendgy archers on the roof.

[Prpavi]

Here's a thought, carry your own ladder so you can go up after those my old friendgy archers on the roof.

wow u must be a brain surgeon.

[Gorath]

Here's a thought, carry your own ladder so you can go up after those my old friendgy archers on the roof.

OMG THE SLOT SYSTEM DOESN'T TOTALLY PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING ON ANY NORMAL CHARACTER!  BRILLIANT!

[darmaster]

only enemies should destroy ladders :l

[Adam_Bomb]

OMG THE SLOT SYSTEM DOESN'T TOTALLY PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING ON ANY NORMAL CHARACTER!  BRILLIANT!

It goes both ways. Ranged can't bring their own ladders either. Someone has to sacrifice something to bring a ladder no matter which team they are on

[Gorath]

It goes both ways. Ranged can't bring their own ladders either. Someone has to sacrifice something to bring a ladder no matter which team they are on

Except the ranged that constantly make use of this are usually:
Grouped, so they know for sure they're going to be having support
Planning to use the ladder for sure because they want to camp some otherwise unreachable roof with their other ranged bretheren

The guy(s) on the other team that have to sacrifice their shit will be bringing a ladder THINKING:
That there will be ranged being gay and camping somewhere they shouldn't be
Maybe they'll survive long enough carrying a giant ladder to get to place it AFTER the other teams ranged places their camp-ladder
The other team won't immediately break the ladder they're carrying in order to prevent people from reaching their perfect camp spot

Really ladders are just stupid in battle.  They're awesome in siege, they're a good edition for strat, but in basic battle they detract far far far more than they add.

[Adam_Bomb]

Except the ranged that constantly make use of this are usually:
Grouped, so they know for sure they're going to be having support
Planning to use the ladder for sure because they want to camp some otherwise unreachable roof with their other ranged bretheren

The guy(s) on the other team that have to sacrifice their shit will be bringing a ladder THINKING:
That there will be ranged being gay and camping somewhere they shouldn't be
Maybe they'll survive long enough carrying a giant ladder to get to place it AFTER the other teams ranged places their camp-ladder
The other team won't immediately break the ladder they're carrying in order to prevent people from reaching their perfect camp spot

Really ladders are just stupid in battle.  They're awesome in siege, they're a good edition for strat, but in basic battle they detract far far far more than they add.

Good points. If they are removed though, many maps will need to be edited to add permanent ways up to roofs.  Try bringing an arablest to one of the many many open village maps and see how long you last before being raped by the cav (whose numbers are EXPLODING in NA atm).  You'll see that you desperately need to get some cover if you want to have any impact on the battle.  I guess my main concern about this whole ladder debate is that it will lead to roofs being entirely out of the game, and with the map situation as it is, we will just be setting ourselves up for some horrible cav fests.  Cav players take note: from what I've seen from this community, you WILL be the next target of the OMG NERF!! crowd if/when ranged gets their y axis taken away from them.  Be conscious of that as you drool over the thought of more helpless ranged players scurrying before you.

[Gorath]

Good points. If they are removed though, many maps will need to be edited to add permanent ways up to roofs.

Agreed.  I'm not against ranged having the ability to get to high ground.  I'm really not that blind in my hatred of all things non-infantry.   

I just think that those spots should be balanced and accounted for in the map design, which means the map makers need to take a moment to think about shit like this.  In every good FPS (and yes, this game is essentially an FPS with good melee mechanics.  in before all the haters scream "ITS NOT AN FPS!") the Y axis and high ground is used quite a bit.  Only it's part of map design so that the enemy has ways to get up to it, flank it, etc.  Rather than be stuck on the ground screaming "GET DOWN bundle of sticks!" for 5 minutes.

[korppis]

I voted no because ladders give more strategies to team that can use them right. Some maps are rather straight forward with just few choke points, but ladders give more opportunities.

Also, I have played an archer for few gens and there's no way I'd have chance against the cav on ground level, mostly because there usually is just far too many of them.

But yes it's unfair to destroy the ladders so no one can reach you. You could always say that don't try to attack house full of archers and no way up, but there's always someone who does and there won't be flags. Imho ladders aren't the problem, it's the people abusing them. Some kids always ruin the fun for others... and I'd hate to see yet another nice thing nerfed/removed because of it. I don't know... maybe they'll stop if you give valor to people TK'ing ladder wreckers? 

Just my two cents.

[Babelfish]

I voted no because ladders give more strategies to team that can use them right. Some maps are rather straight forward with just few choke points, but ladders give more opportunities.

Also, I have played an archer for few gens and there's no way I'd have chance against the cav on ground level, mostly because there usually is just far too many of them.

But yes it's unfair to destroy the ladders so no one can reach you. You could always say that don't try to attack house full of archers and no way up, but there's always someone who does and there won't be flags. Imho ladders aren't the problem, it's the people abusing them. Some kids always ruin the fun for others... and I'd hate to see yet another nice thing nerfed/removed because of it. I don't know... maybe they'll stop if you give valor to people TK'ing ladder wreckers? 

Just my two cents.

If by strategy, you mean camping the same spot for 5min every round, then yes, ladders bring one strategic element into the game.
 Funny thing about your cavalry comment, they(cav) think exactly the same of archers. The only way for them(cav) to kill you(archer) is backstabbing you unaware. And when archers goes roof, they completely shift the 'class'-balance in their favor.

 

[Phazey]

Every round I see ranged players putting up ladders, climbing to the highest roof on the map, then destroying the ladder. 

Make ladders immune to 'friendly fire', thus making it impossible to destroy friendly ladders.

That way, only enemies can destroy that ladder you put up to that roof.

I love ladders, don't remove them. They offer great tactical variation if used correctly.
Remember you can easily bring a ladder to assault a roof. Roof camping can be countered with a bit of timing, team play and two free slots. It's not that hard to deal with, it's just annoying. If you don't have a ladder, just stay away from that roof with those roofcampers, wait till (most) people on the ground are dead and ask the admin to threaten the roofcampers with pink text and kicks.
And next round, bring a ladder to counter their roofcamp. Organize a little squad and massacre those defenceless archers by pushing forward at the start of the round and deploying an aggressively placed ladder to their roof.

Like i said in the 'Make ladders undestroyable by owner's team'-thread
Removing ladders because some people abuse the mechanic to create unreachable roofs means giving up a great feature just because some people are bad sports. It's like giving in to the leechers and removing the upkeep system altogether just because of them.