Remove the ladders from Battle please. POLL

[Adam_Bomb]

Most archers don't even have problems dealing with cav on completly open ground. 1 cav vs 1 archer on open ground : archer wins because he either OSed the cavalry or OSed the horse then the guy. Even worse with throwers. Xbowers are either hybrid and can defend themselves, or so agi-oriented that they are impossible to catch as a cav.

I don't consider myself a bad player, but I know that on flat open ground, if I fail to take down the incoming horse with my one bolt, I'm generally screwed.  I have 9 ath and I promise, I still can't out run a horse.

[RandomDude]

ppl get on roofs to avoid cav rape a lot of the time

both teams can bring ladders and roof campers arent usually very deadly

[Mustikki]

I'm totally with you guys taking the ladders away from battle mode.
The modified village maps would be much better, without ladders to change the maps in to a rangedfest.

But if there could be coded an item, that would make spike wall or half circle from spikes. That would give needed help against cavalry.

and kafein, you should spectate couple rounds for Assarhaddon, Torben, Ujin, Sphongled, Phazh, Oberyn, Lizardman or any other good long time cavalrymen raping any archer/xbower on ground.

[Dach]

What would archers think if suddenly all melee troops got an armor that negated all ranged damage ?

Shield 

[Kafein]

I'm totally with you guys taking the ladders away from battle mode.
The modified village maps would be much better, without ladders to change the maps in to a rangedfest.

But if there could be coded an item, that would make spike wall or half circle from spikes. That would give needed help against cavalry.

and kafein, you should spectate couple rounds for Assarhaddon, Torben, Ujin, Sphongled, Phazh, Oberyn, Lizardman or any other good long time cavalrymen raping any archer/xbower on ground.

Mmh, I think those know when they have to attack. Cavalry is much more about when than about how. I doubt they kill aware archers of the same skill very often though. The best way to optimize your chances is to circle in a "safe" zone around the archer then charging as he releases the arrow, hoping that he can't shoot the next one before you reach him, so the more riding and maneuver, the better.

Furthermore, when I spectate those guys, I curiously never (or very rarely) see any of them charging an aware archer in the open, at least alone.

Shield 

Ho, you compare something that negates ranged damage and something that breaks in two axe hits, barely protects 30° in front of you and not even your feet, make you extremely slow and is pierced like a sheet of paper by good xbows ? 

[Old_Sir_Agor]

now 80% of maps dont have any spot for archers and xbowmans, make some undestroyble ladders and it will be balanced, because range and possobility to shoot from some roof is reason why people take this class, archers can run and shoot, but xbow cant do this.

[_RXN_]

I suggest to do to not break the already placed ladders but to drop them to the ground. Those who climbed to the roof will have to ask someone to hide the dropped ladder or this ladder will remain on the ground. If so, anyone can place this ladder again and get those archers from roofs. The result is more teamplay and more realism.

P.S. i know, my english is bad

[MrShine]

I voted yes for their removal, primarily because the whole unreachable issue is too much of a gray area to be enforced effectively and correctly every time.  There are too many circumstantial scenarios and no real failproof solution available other than removing them and being done with it.

  I understand that ladders can be fun, but they tend to detract a lot more than they add.

[rufio]

all ranged is gay and unballanced however much u tweak it, bundle of sticksry is gay yes.. no but yes but no but actually yes really

[Inequity]

The other team can just bring their own ladders, it's just strategy.

[Gorath]

I voted yes for their removal, primarily because the whole unreachable issue is too much of a gray area to be enforced effectively and correctly every time.  There are too many circumstantial scenarios and no real failproof solution available other than removing them and being done with it.

  I understand that ladders can be fun, but they tend to detract a lot more than they add.

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This

Ladders make shitty maps shittier.  And no, roofcamping isn't "fun" except for the assholes doing it.  If you need an extra piece of gear just to get somewhere, you shouldn't be able to get there.  Period.

[Tears of Destiny]

Ladders should only be removed if absolutely every single map is heavily regulated where every accessable elevated spot has at least two paths to it, preferably three, and the Master of the Field spawns are placed by the map maker to spawn in sane location on the map and not retarded/random spots. Every place that is not meant to be accessed should have an invisible wall.

Otherwise, keep them.

As a side note, why do we have two threads for the same topic? Lazy sons of bitches... Check before you create a "new" topic.

[Siiem]

Behaviour like this... seriously wtf.

that guy threw a ladder let a bunch of ranged on top the of the roof and lo and behold
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Immediately he destroyed the ladder ofc making it impossible to reach it... just fkn remove the ladders already they just fuck with the game.
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[Cheap_Shot]

I think ladders add a lot of fun and strategy to the maps. How about just make it so they can't be destroyed by the person who places it or their teammates? Just an idea.

[Teeth]

I think ladders add a lot of fun and strategy to the maps. How about just make it so they can't be destroyed by the person who places it or their teammates? Just an idea.

You'll get fail ladders blocking the shit out of everything and a lot of trolling with ladderblocking.