Hiltslashing?

[zonn44]

Could somebody please describe what a 'hiltslash' is.


Thnx

[Cyclopsided]

Hitting someone in the very very beginning of a swing animation. Particularly with a 2h weapon.

You swing on the opponent, move in point blank, step to the side and swing again when they swing back at you. You hit them with the hilt of your sword before the sword even hits them, and it does damage. It SHOULD GLANCE AND DO NO DAMAGE, but it does do damage, and quite a bit.

[Xant]

It's also quite hard to do properly.

[Kryser]

its fuckin gay, 2hers push people around like hockey pucks,

[Digglez]

It's also quite hard to do properly.

no its pretty easy and the people who do it routinely would have alot lower scores if talewords/crpg devs actually fixed this

[Dezilagel]

no its pretty easy and the people who do it routinely would have alot lower scores if talewords/crpg devs actually fixed this

"Fixed"?

I don't see a problem with people hiltslashing, it's part of the game, just block twice.

And no, it's NOT that easy to do... Unless you target has no footwork or (and) is a slow-ass tincan/turtle.

[Fartface]

uhmm when i used an heavy bastard sword i found that every hilt slash i did was an succes.

[Digglez]

"Fixed"?

I don't see a problem with people hiltslashing

Yes there is a big problem when hits that should obviously EASILY be glances do full damage.  Its as bad as the polearm overheads not hitting teammates. Its an oversight/shortcoming in design/code and needs to be addressed.

[Cyclopsided]

I rarely go out of my way to agree with Digglez, but he is right.
It is easy to do, and it is broken. It is so easy it is one of the few tricks I can do in EU with 200 ping consistently. I'm also going to disagree about it being easier/harder vs a tin can since that has no effect on its viability. I find it easier to do against balanced or agi builds since they move faster -- and thus more speed bonus as they step into my hiltslash. However, movement direction is the only important thing, not speed for it to work.

*note: Does not work against backpeddlers since they are by definition not close enough to hit with the hilt until they step forward or to the side. Only an idiot would try to hiltslash an S Key Hero.
They should glance. Hiltslashes should not do damage.

[Casimir]

I play on eu1 and a lot and i don't see a great deal of hilt slashes during fighting.

Most of the time if people get out maneuvered they play defensively and block the incoming swing with a second side block and a rotation.

[ShinySpoons]

With 2handers and polearms its easy. Basically, for long weapons hiltslashing works, for onehanders it dosent. Doesn't make sense but there you go

[Xant]

When I say hiltslashing I mean an attack that's so fast it breaks the rhytm. Not just an attack that hits with the hilt-part. I really, really doubt that people who say it is "easy" mean the same thing. If they do, they're wrong. Very few people can do it properly and 99% of them can be countered just by proper footwork, no need to even change how you play.

[Cyclopsided]

When I say hiltslashing I mean an attack that's so fast it breaks the rhytm. Not just an attack that hits with the hilt-part. I really, really doubt that people who say it is "easy" mean the same thing. If they do, they're wrong. Very few people can do it properly and 99% of them can be countered just by proper footwork, no need to even change how you play.

That is a double swing or "castor swing". Different thing. Those are ultra easy to do. Anybody who does those who is worth their salt is going to swing-cancel and block if they see you swing and step in the correct direction.

That is just Two inside swings in a row; Where if the enemy does an outside swing you let your second attack complete and you hit him first. If they hold their swing, you will hit first no matter what. If they feint, you will hit first.

Hilt slashing is like a double-swing on steroids. If they come to hug you/circle you, you hiltslash and as soon as the animation starts you do damage before the sword hits since you hit with the hilt's side of the hitbox. There is no correct swing to outswing a hiltslash, just a second block. You can avoid hiltslashes with footwork -- but it is a broken part of the game mechanics. The problem still exists.

[Xant]

No.

[Cyclopsided]

Good argument.