Hiltslashing?

[Panoply]

That is a double swing or "castor swing". Different thing. Those are ultra easy to do. Anybody who does those who is worth their salt is going to swing-cancel and block if they see you swing and step in the correct direction.

That is just Two inside swings in a row; Where if the enemy does an outside swing you let your second attack complete and you hit him first. If they hold their swing, you will hit first no matter what. If they feint, you will hit first.

Hilt slashing is like a double-swing on steroids. If they come to hug you/circle you, you hiltslash and as soon as the animation starts you do damage before the sword hits since you hit with the hilt's side of the hitbox. There is no correct swing to outswing a hiltslash, just a second block. You can avoid hiltslashes with footwork -- but it is a broken part of the game mechanics. The problem still exists.

Wait what? I thought castor and hiltslash was the same thing. I'll have to get you to give me a demo sometime. I think I'm just confused on the terminology here.

[Teeth]

When you are very close to your opponent. You do a leftswing while moving right, your opponent blocks. You do a rightswing while moving left, your opponent thinks he can attack but gets hit by your weapon first. You hit him very early in the animation, but instead of glancing it hits. It also works with turning instead of the right then left movement.

Its basically a way of outswinging your opponent. It can be countered by moving in a certain direction, I'm not sure which, need to think about that, or you should just double block.

[Digglez]

Could someone make a video about "hiltslashing"? I am reading the post but I can't understand how it works, and I think i'm not the only one.

basically someone sticking their model's hands inside you and you die.  Any other weapon it would register as a glance because you have no leverage and are striking so close to the hilt of the weapon (2h swords in reality typically didnt even have first 1/3-1/2 of the blade even sharpened)

same tactics is used heavily for 2h to hit people thru doors.  stick their hands thru door and swing, should glance due to being so close to hilt but it doesnt.  curved swords are notorious for this queerness

[Teeth]

basically someone sticking their model's hands inside you and you die.  Any other weapon it would register as a glance because you have no leverage and are striking so close to the hilt of the weapon (2h swords in reality typically didnt even have first 1/3-1/2 of the blade even sharpened)

same tactics is used heavily for 2h to hit people thru doors.  stick their hands thru door and swing, should glance due to being so close to hilt but it doesnt.  curved swords are notorious for this queerness

Any other weapon? You can do hiltslashes with pretty much any weapon that sideswings. I'd say polearms are even better for it than 2h.

[Digglez]

Any other weapon? You can do hiltslashes with pretty much any weapon that sideswings. I'd say polearms are even better for it than 2h.

I would assume its possible and bec's do it to me occasionally but not anywhere near the amount that 2h swords use it.  I rarely play a 2h but I've managed to do it inadvertently with my studded warclub. 

[Vodner]

I've never really had a problem with it. It's still blockable. Superior animations that rarely bounce are a large part of what makes 2h good.

The last thing this game needs is to make blocking easier than it already is. 1v1s lasting more than a minute are already common.

[Corrado_Decimo]

Any other weapon? You can do hiltslashes with pretty much any weapon that sideswings. I'd say polearms are even better for it than 2h.

polearms can't hiltslash as polearms don't have a hilt. maybe you say "strafespam". well i get strafespammed often when fighting against glaive agi stackers...
but i only really see hiltslashes in duels.. not in battles.

[Darkkarma]

Wait what? I thought castor and hiltslash was the same thing. I'll have to get you to give me a demo sometime. I think I'm just confused on the terminology here.

They are basically very similar. From my understanding, the hilt slash is when it looks as if the sword is still are your side in the beginning of your swing animation, only to hit the player a second or so before the blade model actually reaches your target in the swing animation because of how close they are.

[Kenji]

hilt... slashing?

All I know is to press x !

[Panoply]

When you are very close to your opponent. You do a leftswing while moving right, your opponent blocks. You do a rightswing while moving left, your opponent thinks he can attack but gets hit by your weapon first. You hit him very early in the animation, but instead of glancing it hits. It also works with turning instead of the right then left movement.

Its basically a way of outswinging your opponent. It can be countered by moving in a certain direction, I'm not sure which, need to think about that, or you should just double block.

Ok, yeah that's my understanding of a castor. So hiltslash isn't so much a technique as it is a bug? Is it not common to hiltslash while you're castoring?

[Corrado_Decimo]

When you are very close to your opponent. You do a leftswing while moving right, your opponent blocks. You do a rightswing while moving left, your opponent thinks he can attack but gets hit by your weapon first. You hit him very early in the animation, but instead of glancing it hits. It also works with turning instead of the right then left movement.

Its basically a way of outswinging your opponent. It can be countered by moving in a certain direction, I'm not sure which, need to think about that, or you should just double block.

the counter to this, is strafing in one direction or blocking 2 times.

[Xant]

You should be smart/fast enough to avoid other players exploiting flawed game mechanics to kill you!

Worst argument ever

Wat?

[Grey]

Learn

To

Block.



Remember, this is GAME on INTERNETZ, fingz take TIME to get between MA COMPUTAH and YO COMPUTAH, 2hander man, he wanna step inside you and cut your throat before you can swing at him, DAT WAT HE DO! If you wanna talk bout BROKEN FINGZ, Bumpstab from a lancer is not possible with REAL PHYSICS either. So what. Who cares. He cut your throat on his screen, on your screen you barely saw animation start. Be better, dont cry.

So: STOP MAKING UP NAMES FOR SILLY SHIT PEOPLE KILL YOU WITH: There are only THREE names you need to remember to win ANY fight, and they are: Left hand: this does your moving and stuff, its pretty usefull but not essential, NEXT is Right hand: This does you attacking and defending, its pretty usefull, almost always pretty essential, THIRD THING is brain: This one you always need, so try getting yours in gear.

[Shpongled]

Learn

To

Block.

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Remember, this is GAME on INTERNETZ, fingz take TIME to get between MA COMPUTAH and YO COMPUTAH, 2hander man, he wanna step inside you and cut your throat before you can swing at him, DAT WAT HE DO! If you wanna talk bout BROKEN FINGZ, Bumpstab from a lancer is not possible with REAL PHYSICS either. So what. Who cares. He cut your throat on his screen, on your screen you barely saw animation start. Be better, dont cry.

So: STOP MAKING UP NAMES FOR SILLY SHIT PEOPLE KILL YOU WITH: There are only THREE names you need to remember to win ANY fight, and they are: Left hand: this does your moving and stuff, its pretty usefull but not essential, NEXT is Right hand: This does you attacking and defending, its pretty usefull, almost always pretty essential, THIRD THING is brain: This one you always need, so try getting yours in gear.

This.

I think its really cool, tbh. The closest thing to a combo attack we have. Watching Xquality rip through teams with quick 1-2s is a joy.

[Teeth]

Ok, yeah that's my understanding of a castor. So hiltslash isn't so much a technique as it is a bug? Is it not common to hiltslash while you're castoring?

Its pretty much something like polestun, It's something weird that evolved into a technique over time. I like that its in the game. No idea what the hell castoring is. In my 500 hours of cRPG I have never heard that term, the interwebz don't know it either.

the counter to this, is strafing in one direction or blocking 2 times.

Yeah thats what the last line of my post said exactly.