2h/Polearms STILL significantly faster than 1h weapons

[Konrax]

153 wpf, 101 Niuweidao and Harmless Peasant consistently outswings me with 1wpf in 2h with the wooden hammer.

So... Really?

I noticed this is pretty consistent across the board with 2h weapons and polearms.

It isn't shield mechanics either, I am talking about lowering your shield and swinging multiple times and the 2h enemy being able to swing FASTER then the 1h player with less WPF and a slower weapon. (Not talking about moving your mouse during a swing either)

This is broken game mechanics.

[Punisher]

Really? After the best 2H and Polearms speed was nerfed you still whine? Put the shield on your back and you will see 1H'ers are currently the fastest weapons in this damn game. IT IS NORMAL TO HAVE A SPEED PENALTY WHEN YOU USE IT WITH YOUR SHIELD IN YOUR HAND YOU HAVE A HUGE FUCKING PLANK THAT YOU CAN HIDE BEHIND WITH ONLY 1 CLICK. If 1H+Shield is as fast as 2H/Polearms what's the point to play 2H/Polearms anymore?

[Konrax]

Range, Damage, Less spec points?

Or you want all the advantages and the option to equip a shield for range protection too?

EDIT: With only 1 wpf in 2h?

[Kalam]

What you're whining about is length and stun, not speed.

[Konrax]

I swing, the opponent parries, I prepare another swing immediately (spam), my opponent also prepares a swing immediately after parry, their swing fires and hits first.

I am dead.

Against 1 wpf in 2h... vs my 153 and 101 speed weapon...

[Xant]

I swing, the opponent parries, I prepare another swing immediately (spam), my opponent also prepares a swing immediately after parry, their swing fires and hits first.

I am dead.

Against 1 wpf in 2h... vs my 153 and 101 speed weapon...

Jesus. You're whining about not being able to spam a 2h weapon? I thought you were talking about equal conditions fastness. It's just normal that if they parry, you need to parry their attack unless they hesitate.

[Nemeth]

I swing, the opponent parries, I prepare another swing immediately (spam), my opponent also prepares a swing immediately after parry, their swing fires and hits first.

I am dead.

Against 1 wpf in 2h... vs my 153 and 101 speed weapon...

This is normal game mechanism. Unless they delay their swing, you shouldn't be able to spam them after they parry your attack and swing immideitaly.

[UrLukur]

Jesus. You're whining about not being able to spam a 2h weapon? I thought you were talking about equal conditions fastness. It's just normal that if they parry, you need to parry their attack unless they hesitate.

In reversed conditions, 2h would strike a hit.

Ps: peasants have 30 wpf on 1st lvl. You gain many points each lvl so peasants have about 70 wpf.

[Vexus]

2h weapon/pole heavier then your 1h weapon probably so they get no delay from parrying your hit.

[Punisher]

I swing, the opponent parries, I prepare another swing immediately (spam), my opponent also prepares a swing immediately after parry, their swing fires and hits first.

I am dead.

Against 1 wpf in 2h... vs my 153 and 101 speed weapon...

In order to parry with no shield you actually have to manual block. Try using a steel pick, it's short lenght makes it very hard to spot in time to block, especially the left swing that 90% of the time hits the head and kills in 1 shot. Watch Gnjus if you don't belive me. As 1H+Shield all you have to do is facehug, spam than move to next opponent. For facehugging short range is actually an advantage. I have a level 28 1H+shield alt so I actually tried all this and it's quite easy to top the scorelist with him, it's just plain boring. I am talking about public fights here, where I think 1H+shield is the most powerful build, it has very good survivability and good damage if played aggresively. If you refer to duels or private clan matches than you are right, 1H+Shield is weaker than 2H/Polearm spam indeed.

As for the polearm stun I agree it's ridiculous and something should be done about it.

[Konrax]

The guy is speced polearm...

Using a 2h CRUSH THROUGH BLOCK weapon with 1 wpf and I can't spam them???

Anyone see something wrong with this scenario?

You should BARELY be able to swing that weapon with any speed at all with only 1 wpf.

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If you want to throw realism in that sword after being parried would be able to strike the hammer user after EASILY.

[Nemeth]

You mean the scenario where you can't spam someone to death? Honestly, that is the best scenario I can imagine, bringing skill into the game is obviously beyond you.

[Konrax]

Yes skill being that someone not specced in something at all can use a weapon that completely bypasses anything I can do at all with an overhand strike through my shield. The only other option is to try and swing again, which apparently doesn't work because the magic of the 2h wood hammer says it will always swing faster than I will if they parry my first swing. (Wooo manual blocking is so hard /sarc)

Just a FYI I do end up on the top end of the scoreboard most of the time. I am also not a spammer, but this scenario today was just too much.

[SquishMitten]

how do you know he had no points in 2h and was a lower lvl than you?

[Konrax]

I asked the person, and when I watched him/her play they usually used a german poleaxe (which also swung stupidly fast) unless if they ran into a shield user they would bust out the 2h wooden hammer.