Buff the Ashwood Pike

[Civilian]

I agree with Diomedes's suggestions.

The awlpike is fine as is.

[Cyclopsided]

I knew the nerf train crew would roll into the station at some point in this thread.
"buff stuff into equality? No, Just nerf everything."

[Gorath]

I knew the nerf train crew would roll into the station at some point in this thread.
"buff stuff into equality? No, Just nerf everything."

cRPG "Nerf the world" - Cause that's how we roll...

[MouthnHoof]

Who suggested to nerf everything? I did not propose any stats change to any weapon. The only thing I suggested was to make the awlpike a "cannot sheath" weapon like all the others at it size. The ashwood is a great weapon for its cost. Some guy wants make it his main weapon so he found another which costs twice as much and wants to make their stats equal. It would mean that the cost will have to go up, or the next cry would be that it is unfair that the awlpike is so expensive  - look! there is this ashwood pike here that is just as good and costs half as much...

Stop making everything top end weapon. We need a mid range that is cheap enough to be brought as a secondary and tossed away when you need to draw your main weapon. The awlpike just break the polearm logic by being sheathable. This is why so many people use it over other polearms, much more than its pure stats. Making it unsheable will not affect anyone who use it as their primary weapon. The unsheathable is the balance card for polearms which are powerful weapons with a dreaded stun. You want one? carry it in your hands!

For the record:
My main is a pole/1H hybrid. Yes I toss away my swiss/bill/ashwood when I draw my 1H to stand in a shield wall or duel somone.

[Diomedes]

Some guy wants make it his main weapon so he found another which costs twice as much and wants to make their stats equal

The main issue here is that the ashwood is good for nothing.  The awlpike is used so often because it can be used with a shield.  Besides that it's uncommonly short for a 2-attack direction weapon.  If the awlpike could not be used with a shield it would not be nearly so useful.  The ashwood pike, though, cannot be used with shield or attack in 4 directions.  It also cannot be sheathed.  It also has worse stats than the awlpike in almost every regard.  I don't want another awlpike, and I think the thread made that pretty clear, but a worthwhile alternative to the awlpike.

[MouthnHoof]

The ashwood is 1 cm longer (negligible), 2 less thrust damage (still a very good 31p) and 2 less speed (borderline significant). It costs half as much, which means I can carry another weapon, or wear better armor in the same budget. The 4 swing directions and the ability to sheath on a 160+ reach weapon should not be, even though this is the case with the awlpike. Can you explain why the Swiss halberd has no swings?

[Spawny]

The ashwood is 1 cm longer (negligible), 2 less thrust damage (still a very good 31p) and 2 less speed (borderline significant). It costs half as much, which means I can carry another weapon, or wear better armor in the same budget. The 4 swing directions and the ability to sheath on a 160+ reach weapon should not be, even though this is the case with the awlpike. Can you explain why the Swiss halberd has no swings?

Last time I checked the awlpike had only 2 attack directions.

[Diomedes]

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Some facts to consider which you may be unaware of:

- the ashwood pike has 2 attack directions - like the awlpike
- the ashwood pike cannot be used with a shield, unlike the awlpike

[Kafein]

What about turning the ashwood pike into a shorter version of the pike ? 1 attack direction, but speed increased to 95 or more to compensate.

[[ptx]]

The price, it is a low tier weapon. Dunno why you can't sheath or use it with a shield, though. Would look great on "hoplite" chars.