Smokebomb - A new ninja weapon please

[Jago]

Firstly, I suggest a smoke bomb, not something that damages people. It is a weapon to be used defensively and for misdirection. Not for offensive purposes.

Secondly, I know the firebomb already makes some smoke and I don't believe it burns anything.

Thirdly, reduce the weight of the smokebomb, aka firebomb, from 62 to 3.

Fourthly, increase the quantity from 1 to 2.

Fithly, increase the quantity of smoke slightly and the length of time it smokes. 4 second duration, 2 meter cube roughly.
(To see how minimal the amount of smoke is, try the firebomb)

Sixthly, must not be wearing armor heavier than lamellar to use.

Seventhly, increase cost from 900 to 6256.

Eightly, increase the PT requirement from 1 to 2.

Ninethly, cannot be used on horseback.

Tenthly, cannot be used during rain (don't know if this is possible, if it is, rain could also reduce the effectiveness of bows and xbows too).

[Welcome_To_Hell]

Yes!

This will allow us to make perfect troll builds.

12 Smokebombs tossed from a courser lagging everybody out and covering the whole place in smoke making the clusterfuck even worse.

Would be even better on siege. Spam construction sites and smokebombs at the seige tower assault point, for awesome laggfest clusterfuck

[Jago]

 

[IR_Kuoin]

He got you there 

[Jago]

His language and sarcasm was insulting. He didn't address any of my points. He did not try to modify anything to make it work. In the end he contributed nothing but trolling to the thread, hence my eye roll. Now lets move on to an actual discussion please.

[Bothersome_Aldryk]

I note that you haven't addressed the potential for massive trolling inherent in the item.

[Jago]

Short duration, cost, and low quantity addresses the spamming of it.

[Babelfish]

What about increase the cost to say 10,000 and add a PT requirement on it. And keep the quantity on 1. 

Siege would still be a problem tho, since you dont pay each time you die but at the end of the round.

[Jago]

The purpose of the smoke is simply to make it so the ninja can escape. Duration need only be three to five seconds.

Ill meet you half way in your suggestions Babelfish: cost 6256, quantity 2.  PT requirement is a good idea as well. PT 4 sound ok?

Keep in mind, that for each 2 smokebombs that are carried, is one inventory slot. The requirement to have light armor also limits the amount of people that will use the smokebomb.

[Jago]

Also added, Cannot be Used on Horseback.

[Golradir]

if its pd3 its fine by me  we need this

[Torp]

okay i have a couple of ideas/suggestion/changes.

First of all, i dont like the idea of throing requirement for tossing a smoke grenade... it's not like it's hard to hit the right place, just drop it in front of you. - 1 pt requirement tops.

second, i dont think anyone would use it to escape, ninjas have light armor and 7-9 athletics - smoke not needed.
Instead it should smoke a little more and then be used when you have sneaked behind a group of archers, thyen you would be able to toss a smoke bomb so they cant see you, and you could slay them, because they wouldnt be able to hit you.

third, i think weight 3 is too heavy - you cant ninja people when you carry heavy items! weight 1-1,5 would be better.

fourth, i only think the amount should be 1.

fifth, i think the way to make people think before using them should be a high price. 10.000-15.000 imo.

and that's it i guess

[Memento_Mori]

okay i have a couple of ideas/suggestion/changes.

First of all, i dont like the idea of throing requirement for tossing a smoke grenade... it's not like it's hard to hit the right place, just drop it in front of you. - 1 pt requirement tops.

second, i dont think anyone would use it to escape, ninjas have light armor and 7-9 athletics - smoke not needed.
Instead it should smoke a little more and then be used when you have sneaked behind a group of archers, thyen you would be able to toss a smoke bomb so they cant see you, and you could slay them, because they wouldnt be able to hit you.

third, i think weight 3 is too heavy - you cant ninja people when you carry heavy items! weight 1-1,5 would be better.

fourth, i only think the amount should be 1.

fifth, i think the way to make people think before using them should be a high price. 10.000-15.000 imo.

and that's it i guess

I like all of what you said except the price, add that to my 25k total I already have and I would be losing money simply because I wanted to use a smoke bomb once in a round. Of course that makes sense balance wise so not everyone is spamming these fun little smoke bombs but it's still a little much.. maybe 8.000 ? or 7.000 ? for ONE, of course. That's still about 300+ for upkeep, I think that would keep people from over using them but still allow people who wanted to use them as a secret gadget every map to use them most of the time.

I wouldn't mind 10k or 15k either, just means I wouldn't be able to use them as often as I'd like lol which is probably a good thing.

[EponiCo]

As a katana user you might not be aware - but some of us try to block and that's kind of hard when you can't see anything because of all the smoke. 

[Braeden]

"Oh gosh darn, it sure is annoying how these smokebombs are obstructing my vision, Archer Ted."

"Silly Archer Jake, just fix your graphics so they don't show up.  Like everyone with a bad computer has probably already done."

"Gee Archer Ted, thanks!  Now I can shoot through the smoke with impunity!"