List of bugs BRD and their alliances expoliting

[Spartan793]

Damn, best avoid not being a biased tw*t in future

[Draeth]

this is hilarious

 

[[ptx]]

CountBerenger and Keshian, are you what, twelve? -'ing every single post made by mercs and their allies, regardless of content, is really infantile. 

-edit: yeah, thanks for the confirmation.

[Jarlek]

Only me who was surprised the list wasn't longer?

[Bobthehero]

I stand by what most people said regarding morning/late night battle, go sleep, dont bother with them, I slept through a ton of major battle, big fucking deal...

[Dehitay]

I find it kind of amusing how I read the original post and thought, "Wow, Nocti, overreact much?" Then I read the rest of the thread and formed pretty much the opposite opinion.

The first bug is an obvious bug and should be fixed. I actually did this purely by accident myself. I was recruiting in Emirin (at that point, held by HRE) before I attacked Toshdar. I realized what happened after I checked my character page and saw the list of people recruiting in Emirin. I left the town, but still didn't get randomly placed on the map after my loss. I was told that attackers don't get warped, only defenders? Is this true? Or is it because I started the attack while in a village?

The 2nd is obviously not a bug, and just Mercs complaining about being forced to do stuff they aren't being forced to do. Am I the only one that finds it ironic that Mercs don't seem to be willing to use mercs? Most people consider losing all your troops to be a punishment.

The 3rd is a huge issue. I know from personal experience that if you have too many items, not all of them will show on your equipment select menu. It's actually the ones you bought first that don't show, which would really be hurtful here as the Mercs probly bought their real equipment before being bombarded with crappy equipment. However, I haven't seen them post about not being able to use their real equipment, so I doubt it was a critical problem and more of a major nuisance.

While listing the bugs (even though one wasn't a bug as much as a complaint) is a valid issue, the title of the thread makes it obviously a means of expression for the Mercs to whine. And they damn sure did. But then their haters had to go do even stupider stuff and whine so hard that the Mercs seem completely rational in comparison.

I'm surprised how people can be stupid enough to say you shouldn't be punished for blatantly abusing bugs because this is a beta system. That's like saying I shouldn't be punished hacking into a new bank's servers before they have their new website deployed cause their network wasn't finished yet. A bug abuser is a bug abuser regardless of which system's bugs they're abusing.

But the worst part of this thread was the huge whine fest of people complaining how people keep complaining about the NA group in general rather than specifically. I'm not going to go back and look, but I only saw one post about NA being a problem besides the obvious troll posts. But the boo hoos from people complaining about it makes up over 10% of this thread and most of it lead by Tears.

Basically, this thread is nothing more than a bunch of complaining that led me to complaining. Maybe we all burn in hell together for our incessant whining with nothing but our limitless tears to bring us relief.

[[ptx]]

Dehitay, about the 2nd - but they DON'T lose all their troops, in fact they don't lose anything at all that way - hence the problem ;)
And, well, they are entirely within their rights to expect a battle, when they get attacked. Getting a lot of people to stay up to fight a battle that doesn't really happen - that is griefing...

[polkafranzi]

this is hilarious

 

your avatar is hilarious

[Dehitay]

Dehitay, about the 2nd - but they DON'T lose all their troops, in fact they don't lose anything at all that way - hence the problem ;)
And, well, they are entirely within their rights to expect a battle, when they get attacked. Getting a lot of people to stay up to fight a battle that doesn't really happen - that is griefing...

So you're saying that not a single attacker showed up, yet they didn't lose any troops? To my knowledge, unless you win by capping the spawn while there are actual attackers, the attacking force loses all its tickets. I believe this happened to somebody from BRD when they did have attackers, but all left instead of finishing the fight. The system took it as no players were attacking and killed off all the remaining troops. Now if the system is honestly broken and they did keep all their troops without actually showing up, then it would need to be fixed. But prior experience leads me to believe this isn't the case. How do you know they kept all their troops?

And if it's so much of a problem for your EU players, then find an NA clanmate who's worthy enough to command and give him merc hiring powers. Then have that commander, your NA members, your NA allies, and mercs fight instead. I do honestly care about bugs and abusers screwing things up for you. But I'm getting tired of hearing about how you "have to stay up all night" to come to battles.

[Thax]

And while these opposing alliances battle it out over a few paltry villages...most clans are assaulting castles. Cadmean comes to mind.

[a_bear_irl]

Lolololol one example ONE example please

pretend i'm quoting the rest of the mercs raging about my post too

anyway, in every battle where you were attackers you camped outside of the town and waited until the defenders got bored enough to sally at you. this is obviously an abuse of the battle system, you're not actually attackings, you're just camping. i spectated some of the merc/blackrose battle and if i were able, i would have declared your attack to have stalled, fined you 500 troops and maybe 20% of your equipment and made you try again. it's a clear abuse but because daveukr is in your clan nothing is done about it

and i know i'm not the only one who feels this way, given the numerous clans attacking you, people from clans unfriendly with clans you're attacking mercing for the guys you're attacking, etc

[Noctivagant]

pretend i'm quoting the rest of the mercs raging about my post too

anyway, in every battle where you were attackers you camped outside of the town and waited until the defenders got bored enough to sally at you. this is obviously an abuse of the battle system, you're not actually attackings, you're just camping. i spectated some of the merc/blackrose battle and if i were able, i would have declared your attack to have stalled, fined you 500 troops and maybe 20% of your equipment and made you try again. it's a clear abuse but because daveukr is in your clan nothing is done about it

and i know i'm not the only one who feels this way, given the numerous clans attacking you, people from clans unfriendly with clans you're attacking mercing for the guys you're attacking, etc

You are not the only one who feels that way because, you are not the only one who knows nothing about strategy. We play the battle of patience, you just charge like a mindless beast. Got it?
Btw I thought you guys were going to attack us what happened?

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[10:57] <Ecko_> hey man i dunno what happened...but you do know that it was a vote, i wasn't the one who made the call
[10:58] <PhantomZero> i was really confused too
[10:58] <PhantomZero> you kind of made it look like it was only the hosperglers who would vote no and you could convince them to make it yes and unanimous.
[10:58] <PhantomZero> plus the lack of communication leading up to the meeting kind of kept us in the dark
[10:59] <Ecko_> id like to come into ts and talk about it if you got the time
[10:59] <Ecko_> or if you want to
[10:59] <PhantomZero> im actually making lunch right now
[10:59] <PhantomZero> why did you have canary talk first anyways
[11:00] <PhantomZero> i didnt even understand what he was trying to say other than "no we aren't going to help you guys"
[11:00] <Ecko_> you guys left before we even finished, just because we said we didnt want to ally didnt mean didnt want to do trading
[11:00] <PhantomZero> fuck trading
[11:00] <Ecko_> merc battles we also something we were going to discuss
[11:00] <PhantomZero> it was discussed
[11:00] <PhantomZero> you said you werent going to help us in our wars
[11:01] <PhantomZero> by mercing for us
[11:01] <Ecko_> we were going to go off each battle and decide if we could help or not
[11:01] <Ecko_> ask canary
[11:01] <Ecko_> ask anyone
[11:01] <PhantomZero> what a dumb idea
[11:01] <PhantomZero> thats not how it works
[11:02] <PhantomZero> do you want LLJK to go off each battle
[11:02] <PhantomZero> and decide if we could help or not?
[11:02] <PhantomZero> we spent months trying to get LLJK members to even agree to join up for Northern Empire battles
[11:03] <PhantomZero> and then we get pulled into vent and slapped in the face
[11:03] <Ecko_> you left before we could finish, i really didnt want it to be like that
[11:03] <PhantomZero> what exactly did you want us to do
[11:03] <PhantomZero> sit there and take it or something?
[11:04] <PhantomZero> listening to some boring dummy using too many words to describe how we were going to get fucked
[11:04] <Ecko_> get fucked?
[11:04] <Ecko_> how was saying we arn't going to ally someone totally fucking you? we didnt declare war
[11:04] <Ecko_> we didnt go around parading saying lljk, fee game to the community
[11:04] <Ecko_> free*
[11:05] <Ecko_> we wanted to talk and figure out a way to work together, but let you do your think, something you clearly reminded everyone that would be something you wanted to do
[11:05] <PhantomZero> well it sounded like you wanted all the benefits of having us in our clan
[11:05] <PhantomZero> without actually helping us out at all
[11:05] <Ecko_> you got that in less than 1 minute?
[11:05] <PhantomZero> canary said a lot of words
[11:05] <Ecko_> by hearing the words, we arn't going to ally, we arn't going to join your wars you shut down from there and left
[11:06] <PhantomZero> exactly
[11:06] <PhantomZero> what else is there to talk about?
[11:06] <Ecko_> trading, something your gonna need reguardless...merc agreements, defensive pacts
[11:06] <PhantomZero> defensive pact
[11:06] <PhantomZero> you are on the other side of the  world
[11:07] <Ecko_> you asked, those are things to talk about
[11:07] <Ecko_> we had all the leaders together, for the first time
[11:07] <PhantomZero> yes, all of those things would benefit the northern empire
[11:07] <Ecko_> to talk about solutions
[11:07] <Ecko_> you guys just bailed
[11:07] <Ecko_> false
[11:07] <PhantomZero> you wouldnt support us in any wars
[11:07] <PhantomZero> whats the point of a defensive pact
[11:08] <PhantomZero> or merc agreements
[11:08] <Ecko_> [11:05] <Ecko_> by hearing the words, we arn't going to ally, we arn't going to join your wars you shut down from there and left
[11:08] <Ecko_> there are ways of helping without declaring official alliance or joining a war against someone
[11:08] <PhantomZero> we dont care about an official alliance
[11:09] <Ecko_> apparently you do
[11:09] <PhantomZero> but not helping us and by reviewing battles on a case by case basis
[11:09] <PhantomZero> is something we cannot support
[11:09] <Ecko_> then thats your problem....go luck finding someone else in game who does it differently
[11:09] <Ecko_> good*
[11:10] <PhantomZero> if you are going to review your agreements in trade/mercing/defensive pact on a case by case basis, we can't trust you
[11:10] <PhantomZero> of course nobody does it differently
[11:10] <Ecko_> there were 6 people who represented everyone else, there to talk about solutions, ways to help you and figure out a way so everyone could benifit the way they wanted
[11:10] <PhantomZero> but nobody says that to your face
[11:11] <PhantomZero> ways to help us
[11:11] <PhantomZero> by not mercing
[11:11] <PhantomZero> not supporting us in wars
[11:11] <PhantomZero> and only through trade?
[11:11] <Ecko_> i dunno...talks didnt get that far did they?
[11:11] <Ecko_> the only thing that was said and is official is that we wern't going to ally, we wern't going to join your wars
[11:12] <Ecko_> kinda like what we did with drz...they liked the deal
[11:12] <Ecko_> they got to do their thing and get a defense agreement
[11:12] <Ecko_> be never joined their wars
[11:12] <Ecko_> never allied
[11:12] <Ecko_> WOW look at that, a way everyone benifited
[11:12] <Ecko_> and it wasnt a secret
[11:12] <PhantomZero> but it was never tested
[11:12] <Ecko_> everyone in the game knew about it
[11:12] <Ecko_> yes
[11:12] <Ecko_> yes it was
[11:12] <Ecko_> many times
[11:13] <PhantomZero> how so
[11:14] <Ecko_> when drz was attacked, the northern republic was obligated to show up and defend if it was during NA time zones, and DRZ was obligated to show up during EU time zones to defend us. We never exchanged gear, never wared people together, or allied, or did anythng else
[11:14] <Ecko_> the republic was never atacked
[11:14] <Ecko_> DRZ was and we showed up
[11:14] <Ecko_> people thought we were allied, drz made it clear and so did i that we were not taking offensive manuevers together
[11:15] <Ecko_> THAT is something we could have done
[11:15] <PhantomZero> so you just show up whenever someone comes and attacks land already owned by DRZ?
[11:15] <Ecko_> no matter who
[11:15] <PhantomZero> thats joining a war
[11:15] <Ecko_> false
[11:15] <Ecko_> never took an offensive
[11:15] <Ecko_> never provided gear
[11:15] <PhantomZero> what do you mean false
[11:15] <PhantomZero> so what
[11:15] <Ecko_> thats something we could have done for you, and could have explained but you guys fuckin left man
[11:15] <PhantomZero> wars arent always aggressive wars
[11:15] <Ecko_> what if UIF comes to take you out
[11:16] <PhantomZero> because its dumb doublespeak
[11:16] <Ecko_> are you on the offensive or defensive?
[11:16] <Ecko_> hell what if the mercs magically had hundreds of players
[11:16] <PhantomZero> then they will have fun playing at 150 ping at awkward times
[11:16] <Ecko_> and moved towards you or anyone
[11:17] <PhantomZero> all of our wars have been defensive
[11:17] <PhantomZero> shogunate attacked us, nordmen attacked us, brd attacked us
[11:17] <PhantomZero> we've only attacked neutral villages and reclaiming battles
[11:17] <Ecko_> you guys burnt the bridge, not us. We were there to talk, we didnt think that becoming allies was a good solution for anyone. You stated that you didnt want to become part of the alliance and wanted to remain individual, but would try hard to make it work.
[11:18] <Ecko_> As far as i'm concerned, we were coming with a solution that would make everyone mutually happy.
[11:18] <PhantomZero> we just felt blindsided by what occured
[11:19] <Ecko_> and i'm sorry, but who were the ones coming to me saying lets get the ball moving, lets make things official? when i constantly said i'm not doing anything with strategus right now...lets give people time to think it over
[11:19] <PhantomZero> you came to us to start it
[11:19] <Ecko_> False, gaga the night before came into my vent
[11:19] <Ecko_> said lets have a meeting tomorrow
[11:19] <PhantomZero> only because goretooth came to us about it
[11:20] <Ecko_> [11:19] <PhantomZero> you came to us to start it
[11:20] <Ecko_> I am not goretooth
[11:20] <PhantomZero> okay fine
[11:20] <PhantomZero> ATS came to us to start it
[11:20] <Ecko_> and what did goretooth say?
[11:20] <Ecko_> gaga had come to me numerous times phantom
[11:20] <PhantomZero> that we should ally long enough to rush the merc territories in order to prevent the UIF from retaliating against either one of us
[11:21] <Ecko_> AGAIN, thats the plan gaga presented to us.
[11:21] <PhantomZero> its a good plan
[11:21] <PhantomZero> but if you guys wont support us in any wars
[11:21] <Ecko_> im not debating if it is or isnt
[11:21] <PhantomZero> its not going to work
[11:21] <PhantomZero> so
[11:22] <Ecko_> phantom man....you know damn well that your being stubborn here...it was a misunderstanding yesterday and your hooking onto weak reasons to be angry
[11:22] <PhantomZero> you werent the one insulted and lied to
[11:23] <Ecko_> your not stupid...you know what i'm saying is making sense...and you know damn well that the meeting didnt last long enough for anything really to be discussed...Even you were surprised when gaga left
[11:23] <Ecko_> name one lie. You were just surprised.
[11:23] <PhantomZero> there wasnt anything to discuss
[11:23] <PhantomZero> if you arent going to help us out, then there isn't any point in trading
[11:23] <PhantomZero> if we become reliant on ats trade and you suddenly decide that it is no longer in your best interested
[11:23] <Ecko_> Guess we live in a world of black and white....nothing else to talk about then. Your lunch is probably getting cold.
[11:23] <PhantomZero> we get fucked
[11:24] <PhantomZero> its a cold lunch anyways
[11:24] <PhantomZero> a defensive war is still a war
[11:25] <Ecko_> ATS is the 2nd smallest guild in the empire....all I do man is try and get things going. For you to put all of this on me is retarded. Especially when there were 5 other people who wanted to discuss things.
[11:25] <Ecko_> [11:22] <Ecko_> phantom man....you know damn well that your being stubborn here...it was a misunderstanding yesterday and your hooking onto weak reasons to be angry
[11:25] <PhantomZero> canary said you guys werent intersted
[11:26] <Ecko_> Wouldn't have been nice if you asked everyone yourself...oh wait you left before you could.
[11:26] <PhantomZero> all them hurf derfin run away train goons
[11:26] <PhantomZero> uncontrollable goon horde who knows what shenanigans they gonna get themselves into
[11:27] <PhantomZero> but were willing to maintain trade and defensive pacts
[11:27] <PhantomZero> y/n?

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[Lizard_man]

are you stupid, camping is abuse now ?, unless you haven't noticed there's only one spawn point for the attackers, alot of people go on the defensive when attacking a village, we're not the only ones, it's one way to make sure you don't lose your spawn, this isn't abuse of the battle system at all, it's making good use of the shitty spawn system, anyway, back to the matter at hand, sending an army that is engaged in battle a shitload of pointless equipment so that they can't use there own equipment, this is taking the piss, whoever did it knew exactly what they were doing i think there should be some kind of punishment, you're stupid if you think otherwise...

[Blueberry Muffin]

Meh I dont care about the server time slots. Yes its irritating, yes its not sportsmanship, but all it does is make it more difficult to win and can therefore be overcome.If I want to fight, even if it makes me tired at work, I have the choice,I can, This items list really fucks me off though. The items worth the least gold get displayed first and so we have to eat through 1000's of tickets of tunics and stones just to get to our gear. But even that wont happen because we can be overwhelmed at spawn withour shitty equip and be spawnraped. This bug doesnt make it harder for us, it makes it impossible. Skill and battle tactics can overcome disadvantages but they cant overcome this. We cant sell off this equipment as we are engaged in battle and are thereofore doomed to lose. Im not pointing fingers at America in general but whoever did this, most likely Kesh or one of his little pet clans is a real idiot. I dont rage, I dont troll, but trust me when I say, you are a real fuckhead.

EDIT: Ive always wondered what lizard mans profile pic even is?

[Topsnus]

Your clanmate Erasmas took it too seriously too back then? I see what you did there, aslong the bug/exploit doesnt affect your clan, its all k, no probs, why ban?

You need to chill out. The whole strat is gonna be wiped several times before it ever matters anyway. Also, that equipment thing is hilarious. It should be fixed, but there shouldnt be a consequence. This is how bugs are found.