Long spears aka pikes

[Xant]

But you can't do it if Fasader 1hits you with a crossbow first so it's not gonna get nerfed.

[Thucydides]

I don't think that is, tbh. I think it would be at a disadvantage. Greatmauls eat those for breakfast so fast it isn't funny.

Also, I was referring to as a solo player against that 2 man combo. But lets be honest, other 2 man combos are also at disadvantage against it. It is pretty much the most retardedly effective combo.

eh soloing anyone is stupid in my experience. Too many variables in a duel compared to a gank. i think a long weapon like a flam and a pike is the best counter. Pike kills the longspear (or at least forces a block) and the spamberg spams the  maul/ longspear.

[Cyclopsided]

eh soloing anyone is stupid in my experience. Too many variables in a duel compared to a gank. i think a long weapon like a flam and a pike is the best counter. Pike kills the longspear (or at least forces a block) and the spamberg spams the  maul/ longspear.

I was editing. I had accidentally posted before being finished. Read again.

[Thucydides]

oh nm then, pike is the ultimate team weapon theres really no denying that. Someone make a clan with only pikes and mauls lol

[Vibe]

There were like a million long spears in the Karindi (DRZ vs FCC) battle yesterday. In the end pretty much every non shielder (on both sides) was using a long spear. Is this what we want? They're just too useful/deadly in group combat.

[Warcat]

I'd rather they all just get shot, don't care what they're holding when it happens.

[Gorath]

Is this what we want? They're just too useful/deadly in group combat.

And once again we come full circle back to NERF TEAMWORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111!oneoneONE

The same can be said about ranged weapons btw.  "OMG, the archers have triangulated us and there's no protection!  Shields only (halfassedly) block one side!"   

[Vibe]

And once again we come full circle back to NERF TEAMWORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111!oneoneONE

The same can be said about ranged weapons btw.  "OMG, the archers have triangulated us and there's no protection!  Shields only (halfassedly) block one side!"   

They should be helpful in groups, but not unbalance fights. For now, the team with most pikemen wins. And there's more and more people picking up long spears/pikes.
And for fucks sake, mindless spam stabbing from behind your team is not teamwork, it's easy kill hunting. Long spears do too much damage to be called "support weapons" at the moment.

[Gorath]

They should be helpful in groups, but not unbalance fights. For now, the team with most pikemen wins. And there's more and more people picking up long spears/pikes.
And for fucks sake, mindless spam stabbing from behind your team is not teamwork, it's easy kill hunting. Long spears do too much damage to be called "support weapons" at the moment.

thrust damage: 26 pierce
Is "TOO much damage"?
wow.... just wow....

Bec: thrust damage: 26 pierce
swing damage: 36 pierce

Poleaxe: thrust damage: 31 pierce
German:  29 pierce
Long Awlpike: 32 pierce
Awlpike: 33 pierce
English Bill: 28 pierce
Double Sided lance: 32 pierce
Mil Fork: 28 pierce
Short spear ffs: 26 pierce

Espada: 29 pierce
Long Esp:  28 pierce
steel pick:  32 pierce
Most other 1hers:  24 - 27 pierce

Most 2hers:  24-26 pierce

So what do you propose it gets nerfed to?  less than 20?  A weapon designed purely for piercing things does less thrusting pierce damage than most things anyways so lets just make it a pure glancing weapon?

This stuff is just sad.

[Vibe]

Honestly, I'm quite clueless how to fix this. Not sure if damage nerf would even help, because long spears would still be able to stun from a mile away (maybe it would help reduce the number of people using long spears, as they wouldn't get so many kills).
I guess immobilize when the attack is chambered would help (someone else suggested this). This way you could still protect archers from cavalry and your team/castle/village from enemy charges - while unable to go kill hunt around.

What's sad is that every 2h/pole picked up a long spear in an organized group fight (Karindi for example).

[Xant]

The damage is pretty irrelevant, it's the polestun that makes it so OP. Though taking away 4 or so damage would make it a bit more balanced and maybe some people would stop using it...

[v/onMega]

Reduce speed by 25.

Absolutely usable for its purpose...

THE REAL PURPOSE...

[HarunYahya]

Errr another option :
Don't bash to enemy team , try to play with your team to overcome your enemy who's using teamwork with combination of 2handers,shielders,pikemen,cav and archers ?

[Vibe]

Errr another option :
Don't bash to enemy team , try to play with your team to overcome your enemy who's using teamwork with combination of 2handers,shielders,pikemen,cav and archers ?

Did you even read the last few posts? This is not about teamwork.

[Dexxtaa]

I do alright alone.