Long spears aka pikes

[Ozwan]

Anyone else concerned about that the ultimate anti-cav weapon is also ultimate infantry support weapon and the user is not defenseless in close quarters 1/1?

Suggestions:
- remove the ability to block with a long spear/pike - since it just makes no sense that once enemy is close the pikeman can just swing his gigantic stick around and block like it wasnt a 3m weapon and, technically speaking, he can just keep jumping away, stabbing and if his manual blocking doesnt totally suck, he can live for a long time with proper amount of ath. He's not forced to drop the pike and use his secondary weapon.

or

- fix the lolstab - not doable I guess?

or

- slow long spear down to what currently pike is and slow down pike further

Fixing the jump would be nice aswell.

[cmp]

Been lobbying for slowdown + removal of overhead for a long time, but item balancers disagree.
It's way overused now (I use it too)...

[Ozwan]

*cough* I use them too actually. 

But theres no other way when everyone else spam them in the battles, really.

[Kafein]

They deserve their place in group combats IMO. It's not like everybody is using one anyway.

People may like it or not, spears, pikes and shields played a major role in infantry fights (yeah I know realism isn't taken into account but I don't see anything unbalanced either so there's really no reason to change those weapons)

Furthermore, the long and great mauls are just as good infantry support weapons.

[[ptx]]

You can slow them down all you like, they will still rule melee group fights, it is just the nature of those weapons. And, yeah, apparently the same thing happened IRL too

[cmp]

You can slow them down all you like, they will still rule melee group fights

If it's not a problem, why are people opposing to it?

[Seawied]

If long spears are slowed down, pikes need to be slower as well. Otherwise, we will simply have a migration of long-spear users move over to pikes.

[Ozwan]

The actual, proper use of a pike longspear is not a problem. The problem is that, due to still relatively high speed of it and bonkers game mechanics of the lolstabs its completely possible to stab oponent who is right next to you and you can do it really fast. So youre not only a threat to the guy who should be cutting your throat right now for being dumb and trying to fight with super-long weapon in close combat but also you're a serious threat to everyone around because you can just instantly rotate and stab in a completely different direction and different opponent.


Good you brought up realism as an argument, it completely supports balancing pikes longspears.

[Xant]

FUCKING NERF PIKES AND FUCKING LONGSPEAR WFESDUNMIOG FDJKOL

INSTANT LOLSTAB NOSKILLFUCKINGWEAPONEAGSDVC X FDGBXVC

and overused no shit you can find a fucking pike from anywhere just walk 10meters someone's dropped a pike

[Joxer]

If you remove long spears block then also remove it from all long weapons. Flamberge, nodachi, poles etc.
That is the most ridicilous suggestion ever. It's already shit slow. The only way it gains speed is from the characters movements. If you lose against a piker 1vs1 it is completely and totally because he was the better player.
We've had these topics before. Rather than QQ l2p.

[Everkistus]

I agree with Joxer. If someone manages to beat you 1on1 with a pike long spear, you're just bad.

[Gorath]

I agree with Joxer. If someone manages to beat you 1on1 with a pike long spear, you're just bad.

^
What he and Joxer said.  Seriously.  Remove the block?  Fuck we already have that problem with crutch through mechanics and now you want to start flat out removing the RMB from weapons themselves?

The long spear SHOULD be the ultimate support infantry weapon.  It makes sense, and yes it is realistic.  Realism isn't the anti-christ of gaming in all forms you know.  Sometimes it's a good thing to take into account.

[PieParadox]

TRUE PROBLEM: PIKE (EXPLOITABLE) OVERHEAD

[7000bc]

TRUE PROBLEM: N00BZ0RZ

[Tears of Destiny]

Facehug. You are literally immune to every attack they have if you facehug... Pikers become a problem mainly if in groups (and of course anything is deadly in groups).