Weight of shields.

[El_Infante]

It's a suggestion to talk about weight of shields. Now, IMO, shields have more weight than it would have. I noticed that when I was talking about Great & Long Maul in my last post. http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,12411.msg175192.html#msg175192

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Shields are made of wooden and iron reinforcements. Shields have to be lighter because you have to carry them with a hand. Do you imagine something swinging a great maul with one hand? So.. how hell can a soldier stand up with a shield of 12.5!!! weight. I heard a lot of people talking about 1h is difficult without reason. For example on this post. http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,12208.0.html The thing that happen is they don't notice that are slower and have shorters weapon so it's too easy to spam dancing around a shielder guy hitting and getting outranged by backpedalling with high agi builds and larger weapons like toptier 2h swords. And it don't mean that 2handers is faster. NO! It mean that you cant hit a guy if he is out of range!

Being a shielder mean that you are forced to go on light equipment and you have to get a high weight penalty from your shield. Why? I can't accept that a wooden shield have the same weight as a great maul!

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Another example. A wooden shield have the same weight as a Great Long Bardiche! :-) Don't make me laugh!
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No. That is unfair.

It's not reasonable. It's a simple suggestion. I accept that some shields need to be two-slots. But, IMO, weight is excessive.

[Wookimonsta]

have you ever held a full size shield? i'm not talkin bout a buckler, but them things is heavy.
not to mention that shields are extremely useful tools, no need for directional block and also stops projectiles.

[El_Infante]

have you ever held a full size shield? i'm not talkin bout a buckler, but them things is heavy.
not to mention that shields are extremely useful tools, no need for directional block and also stops projectiles.

Ofc, and forced to have a lower dmg / lower reach weapon. While the hugher 2h and polearms damage have 46/47cut and a average of 40-42 dmg, the average dmg of a 1hander is 30/31 cut. While I have a 90-100 reach, you have a 120-170.

[Wookimonsta]

Ofc, and forced to have a lower dmg / lower reach weapon. While the hugher 2h and polearms damage have 46/47cut and a average of 40-42 dmg, the average dmg of a 1hander is 30/31 cut. While I have a 90-100 reach, you have a 120-170.

yep, but 2h are a natural counter to them shielders. Keep in mind 2handers can't just block arrows and if someone swings at us we actually have to actively block in the right direction. Once you master dodging arrows and manual block, you can shed your shield and join the ranks of 2h too.

[Laufknoten]

yep, but 2h are a natural counter to them shielders. Keep in mind 2handers can't just block arrows and if someone swings at us we actually have to actively block in the right direction. Once you master dodging arrows and manual block, you can shed your shield and join the ranks of 2h too.

Yeah, 2h is the elite class for pro players and shielders only have to right click and they're invincible and as a matter of course you don't need any kind of skill to be good as a shielder... 

[Wookimonsta]

Yeah, 2h is the elite class for pro players and shielders only have to right click and they're invincible and as a matter of course you don't need any kind of skill to be good as a shielder... 

well i was being a bit sarcastic at the end there, i guess that didn't come across. My point is, being 2h is more difficult, as it is less forgiving to mistakes.

[Mala]

Erm, shields are the counter to 2hand. (protection and short weapon for good close combat performance vs no cover and long weapon with shitty  close combat performance)
They have just a strong lobby.

Anyway, shield weight was doubled to counter the huscarl shield turtels and slow them down even more.

[Overdriven]

well i was being a bit sarcastic at the end there, i guess that didn't come across. My point is, being 2h is more difficult, as it is less forgiving to mistakes.

2h is not more difficult. And yes I've played both.

[Laufknoten]

well i was being a bit sarcastic at the end there, i guess that didn't come across. My point is, being 2h is more difficult, as it is less forgiving to mistakes.

For me, being able to kill everyone in 1 or 2 hits and have superior range doesn't make 2h a more difficult class.

[Wookimonsta]

For me, being able to kill everyone in 1 or 2 hits and have superior range doesn't make 2h a more difficult class.

yes, but once again, being completly open to all ranged and having to manual block DOES.
If a shielder with a huscarl faces more than one opponent, he just has to hold right click and maybe turn towards his opponents, a 2h has to actually block all their attacks.

[Blondin]

It's just different, 2h are offensive, shielders are defensive, you can't have all advantage in one class.

[Overdriven]

yes, but once again, being completly open to all ranged and having to manual block DOES.
If a shielder with a huscarl faces more than one opponent, he just has to hold right click and maybe turn towards his opponents, a 2h has to actually block all their attacks.

Shielder requires more strikes to kill most players, they can't out spam most 2h, blind spots are easy to reach against most enemies because of the shield weight.

It's far easier to get more kills as 2h than as shield. Trust me.

Have you really tried shielder? They are certainly not easier than 2h.

[Magikarp]

Those weights are in to make sure having a shield isn't a bonus troughout.

[Wookimonsta]

Shielder requires more strikes to kill most players, they can't out spam most 2h, blind spots are easy to reach against most enemies because of the shield weight.

It's far easier to get more kills as 2h than as shield. Trust me.

Have you really tried shielder? They are certainly not easier than 2h.

if you are trying to fight like a 2h, of course you are gonna fail. 2h is a mainly offensive class, shielder is defensive, so of course 2h is going to get more kills. A characters value on the battlefield is not measured solely by kills.
a shielder has the ability to BLOCK ALL PROJECTILES SHOT AT HIM. Shielders have a much better chance of survivability and are more useful in a team melee situation if played properly. Also shielders are great for moving into areas where there are lots of enemies such as getting on a wall and disrupting the defenders there.

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Shield weight protects against maulers, ykno.