nerfed archer again

[krampe]

My reticule is nice and tight ...

I laughed hard!

[Lanic0r]

yeah archers are as good as melee.
because of decreasing speed you have to shoot in melee. hilarious to see them spaming high ranged. I only got shot if i was in middle or close combat especially archers focus me!
Shoot in melee archer, you got my permission to do otherwise your useless!

[B3RS3RK]

The decreased shot speed is a pain in the ass, but what really bugs me out is the change in arrows.Less of them with less damage?Fine, but why make them more expensive?

Also, the reduced speed doesnt induce more skill(Really, if at all its just aim 10 metres higher and favors high lvl Archers with more wpf and a tighter reticule).

If you want to make Archers more skill based, remove the reticule and severely increase the damage, same for throwers(But here increase the ammo count )

[bruce]

remove the reticule and severely increase the damage

Aheemmmm. Do I need to clarify why this does not work?

[SalmonGod]

To make more skill based, increase damage....... gotcha....... I bet you play fps games on instagib servers

[Michael]

Archery can still be done.

Proof 1:
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5534/paris1q.jpg

Evidence 2:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1671/paris2c.jpg

and 3:
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2999/paris3g.jpg

Note, that this was only a testing char to see whats the truth about archery.

I went straight for the 18 str 6 power draw, and had only about 110 wpf in archery.

I played as pure archer, that means all kills were archery kills, no poleaxe/ 2h spam.

Also, the char was low level, obviously, I dont have the time to grind to level 31 just to show you how its meant to be played.

If you seek advice, okay, thats what forums are for. But stop whining. It can be done. Practice a bit more, gain experience, then the kills come naturally.

Also, an archer can stay back, so in my opinion he doesnt deserve it to be on top of the scoreboard anyway.

But noone cares about my opinion anyway, so archery will always be easy to play.



Advice: If you want to be an archer, start with power draw 3. Not more. You will be able to score way more hits than with power draw 6, and you will be able to injure and even kill enough people that wear no armor and dont carry a big shield. Then go for agi, weapon master, all wpf in archery. When the aiming gets really easy, then, perhaps go for more power draw. When its easy for you with power draw 4, then 5.
NOT the other way around. I did it, because it was for testing, and I have some experience in this game. You shouldnt do that. But meh, make your own mistakes.

What more can I say? Athletics, athletics, athletics. It is important that you can outrun melee infantry, it is important to "dodge" cav and bolts and throwing weapons. You need the agi for weapon master anyway, so use it for athletics, too.

Do not go for archery-melee-hybrid. This is the way for the "pros", for average players its better to focus on one thing.

Build an alt for melee if you want to fight in melee. As archer, play a real one that can run.


On upkeep: Compare archery with other classes. Upkeep is so low, its only a problem for heavy cavalry. For archers, its not. My test char was obviously a generation 1, it didnt take much time to get the cash for warbow and bodkin arrows. Thats all an archer needs. Some light armor perhaps, thats it. Not a problem.

[3ABP]

3:0.

Better (than post those pictures) - find a sense of word "proof" (what this word mean).

[Michael]

Better (than post those pictures) - find a sense of word "proof" (what this word mean).

You are butt-hurt, and off-topic.

Open a topic in spam where we can discuss the meanings of words, lets start with this one.

This topic was made to cry about the recent archery nerf, these pictures prove that a level 17 archer can bring a k > d, so they are not as useless as your comment.

[3ABP]

You are butt-hurt, and off-topic.

Open a topic in spam where we can discuss the meanings of words, lets start with this one.

This topic was made to cry about the recent archery nerf, these pictures prove that a level 17 archer can bring a k > d, so they are not as useless as your comment.

No prob. cap.
Will use your stile.
If

...
This topic was made to cry about the recent archery nerf...

you post http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,1230.msg18677.html#msg18677
is off-topic. So...?

[B3RS3RK]

3 Screenshots of mediocre K/D´s with an Archer is not "Proof", sry.

Of course you CAN get some kills, even pretty much if you are lucky and hit injured guys, but the way it is now you need to get too close.If the nerf would get nerfed by half(Meaning half the decrease of shot speed)it would be ok imo, but like this its ridicoulus, Arrows fly like Javelins.

[Armpit_Sweat]

I mostly played 1h+Shield, but i had a strong bow for 2 generations in a hybrid build pre-patch, and played a dedicated archer up to lvl 20 post-patch ( not my favorite class... ).

I had no patience to read all 15 pages, but some more feedback from known ( = good ) lvl 31 archers would be nice. A lvl 10 dedicated thrower will be 10x times more effective, then a lvl 10 1h+Shield build. Its a fact. On lvl 31, however, it might be the oposite way. The same might apply to archers.

I personally have no opinion on archers... And never had a clear one.
Yesterday, i have been 1-shoted in the head, wearing an Armet ( 60 armor ) with 23 STR / 6 IF... It was some bold archer with a War Bow on a siege server. Same day - been shot 4 times from a wall, wearing Studded Leather Coat ( 30 armor ), and still had 10-20% health left ( archer used Strong Bow or Nomad Bow, was hard to tell for sure ). Its true. So the player level might play an important role, as well as the skills...

On the other hand, using anything less then Strong bow might be a waste of time now, and it sucks, since it really limits the weapon choice for archers. May be lower "tier" bows should have a BIG accuracy boost? So archers can compensate buy spamming cheap arrows with little damage?.. It would at least create some variety on the battlefield ( too many bar mace'ers and pole-spammers now, same for War Bow archers too? = boring )

[Memento_Mori]

Reading how everyone is having such trouble with this really makes me think that I must be super good at this game or something. xD
thanks for the ego boost.

My archer/melee with nomad PD 4 and bodkins is getting kills fine, try playing more support archer and less like a Specialist Sniper with Armor Piercing rounds & Barret 50 cal.

[bruce]

Arrows fly like Javelins.

They fly like crossbow bolts from heavy/sniper crossbows, roughly. They're much, much faster then javelins - which have speed rating of 20 vs the speed rating of 51 for a eg. strongbow. Sure, a thrower is probably going to have a bit more PT then the archer has PD (both give a bonus to projectile speed), but it's still twice as fast.

[B3RS3RK]

They fly like crossbow bolts from heavy/sniper crossbows, roughly. They're much, much faster then javelins - which have speed rating of 20 vs the speed rating of 51 for a eg. strongbow. Sure, a thrower is probably going to have a bit more PT then the archer has PD (both give a bonus to projectile speed), but it's still twice as fast.

I dont know man, when I throw Javelins with my 4 PT thrower it feels pretty similar to shooting with my Khergit bow now

[Ashrik]

I think that archers do a tad too little damage right now, given the amount of hits that a guy in mail or a guy in plate can take from my PD6 guy. Aside from that, I feel as if I can handle archery right now.

I'm glad I made a bow/melee hybrid, because as the bow side of affairs gets weaker and weaker, I'm getting more and more kills with my 1H+shield aspect. All points into archery is a fools game as far as I'm concerned, and LLJK_Ashraa ain't no fool hohoho