1h shield is too difficult at the moment

[Gorath]

Holy shit!  The lord of fail hath returned?!

Now all the new blood can behold the worst warband player in the entirety of it's existance (beta until current).  Look upon him and despair younglings, for the fail is strong with this one.

[Siiem]

Michael says the same thing everytime he boots up cRPG. "Set sail for fail"

[Gorath]

Michael says the same thing everytime he boots up cRPG. "Set sail for fail"

Indeed sir, indeed.  I imagine this is what runs through his mind every time he clicks submit post:
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[Barbas]

I am intelligent, handsome, have a job, money,

I don't understand.. generally people work at jobs because they need money, so why would you need a job if you already have money?  lol @ poorpeoples

Anyway - still, I have to admit that being a shield/1her is actually pretty hard, or so it seems to me.  Now, I'm pretty bad.  I'm probably worse than this Michael fellow, even though I've played for quite a long time.  But I'm on a balanced shielder build right now, and I get far, far more kills using a good long polearm - and I mean now on this build, with no wpf in polearm.

But probably that's how it should be.  Shield/1h is a defensive build.  I can't get many kills having so very little power.. not to mention short range, and much less speed than I'd expected.  But when my goal is to survive longer, it's pretty swell.  I can do things like jump into a bunch of enemies from a siege ladder, turtle over into a corner, and distract a big group of them while my teammates get up there.  Or raise my shield and open the castle gate even whilst enemies are swarming the gatehouse. 

[Konrax]

I don't understand.. generally people work at jobs because they need money, so why would you need a job if you already have money?  lol @ poorpeoples

Anyway - still, I have to admit that being a shield/1her is actually pretty hard, or so it seems to me.  Now, I'm pretty bad.  I'm probably worse than this Michael fellow, even though I've played for quite a long time.  But I'm on a balanced shielder build right now, and I get far, far more kills using a good long polearm - and I mean now on this build, with no wpf in polearm.

But probably that's how it should be.  Shield/1h is a defensive build.  I can't get many kills having so very little power.. not to mention short range, and much less speed than I'd expected.  But when my goal is to survive longer, it's pretty swell.  I can do things like jump into a bunch of enemies from a siege ladder, turtle over into a corner, and distract a big group of them while my teammates get up there.  Or raise my shield and open the castle gate even whilst enemies are swarming the gatehouse.

Until your face is turned into a pancake from a great maul.

[Vibe]

As expected, another shit post from Michael.

[DrKronic]

Until your face is turned into a pancake from a great maul.

if u die to a great maul u deserved to die

[Barbas]

Until your face is turned into a pancake from a great maul.

But the point of jumping into the horde of enemies from a siege ladder and trying to turtle your way off into a corner isn't to live forever - it's to draw a bunch of enemies away from the top of the ladder long enough for the teammates behind you to break through.  Doesn't always work, but it works a heck of a lot more than doing it without a shield - even in lordly plate armor, that doesn't usually turn out well. 

Anyway, the point is that 'doing well' as a shielder doesn't necessarily mean getting the most kills; it's suited for supportive roles, and when used well can be tremendously helpful.  But it definitely is not easy to be a shielder in any sense, and particularly when people mean it is easy to achieve a good kdr with it.

[Spawny]

But the point of jumping into the horde of enemies from a siege ladder and trying to turtle your way off into a corner isn't to live forever - it's to draw a bunch of enemies away from the top of the ladder long enough for the teammates behind you to break through.  Doesn't always work, but it works a heck of a lot more than doing it without a shield - even in lordly plate armor, that doesn't usually turn out well. 

Anyway, the point is that 'doing well' as a shielder doesn't necessarily mean getting the most kills; it's suited for supportive roles, and when used well can be tremendously helpful.  But it definitely is not easy to be a shielder in any sense, and particularly when people mean it is easy to achieve a good kdr with it.

It's easy to get a good kd ratio as a shielder on siege servers. I was sporting 3:1 from level 25 and up. If I can do it, others can do it just as well and even better.

[Tears of Destiny]

I think on a siege server it is easy to get a good K/D ratio with any class, considering how suicidal and non-observant people get on that.

[Gorath]

It's easy to get a good kd ratio as a shielder on siege servers.

Found the important part of your post, lol.

I think on a siege server it is easy to get a good K/D ratio with any class, considering how suicidal and non-observant people get on that.

^This

Siege is the toxic waste dumping grounds of cRPG.  Skill not required.

[Spawny]

Personally I find it a bit harder to get a good kd ratio with a horseman on the siege servers

For me, the difference between siege servers and the battle servers is the wait between deaths. Kd-wise it's fairly even for me.

Siege is the toxic waste dumping grounds of cRPG.  Skill not required.

Could be, but as a 2h you're likely to get shot due to the relatively high amount of projectiles flying around. Going up ladders and the like makes you an nice target for practice. The melee fights tend to be easier, but trying to get there alive is a bit harder imo.

[El_Infante]

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No. You can play as a shielder having a decent K:D ratio. Im not one of the best shielders, but I know what I am talking about. If you want to be a decent shielder, you have to ways:
- Agi build with blunt/piercing weapons (facehugger) like: 12/24 with crossbow, 15/24 (with 3WM is enough) or 18/21.
- Str build with LONG (repeat) LONG swords. 27/12 (like me; ofc you have to use a plate covered round shield), 24/15, or 21/15 (I dont like that build), as Drazic said remember, your shield is your armor.

You only need some skills and learn who you can fight and who you can not.

[Thomek]

Indeed sir, indeed.  I imagine this is what runs through his mind every time he clicks submit post:
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[Karmazyn]

To play as 1h shield is no fun, even lamhban complained about it all the time in the recorded battle union against pillagers.
The guy, who test it, has ping 10 and test it on level 20 players on siege server with ping 80.


Problem:

1. 1h is a bit too slow with shield and without (no reason to use 1h pure)
2. At same time 1h swords lack damage power (1h - 30 dmg while 2h - 40 dmg = 4 ps difference)
3. Heavy weight of shields slow you down so much that shielders get very often outmaneuvered.
4. Width of shields is too small thats why shielders get hit through the side of the shield (the model seems to be bigger)
5. Slow game speed allow to block forever while shields have low hp and thats why are easy to break
6. Shields cost too much thats why in strategus people use level 1-3 shields only


Solution:

+1 speed for 1h swords
+2 dmg for 1h swords
- 2 dmg for 1h maces and picks
+2 width for shields
+2 speed for shield
- 2 weight of shield


Optional:

No block ability and no overheads for weapons over 2m
- 2 dmg for bec
-20 Accuracy for crossbows
- 2 dmg for 2h
- 2 dmg for 2h mace
Bastard and heavy bastard sword 1 slot
Some sort of horse nerf like damage after each bump.