Meet the Archer and Crossbowwoman!

[Barracuda]

Here are my impressions from xbows:Just went from MW warbow/strongbow(around a year of archery)+ MW bodkins to MW steel bolts+ MW arbalest..... this shit is just sick, with 15/24 and with this armor (lordly wisby + reinf.cuir=63armor), 5PS, 170WPF in xbows, 8 ath I can do wonders, I am goddamn stunned by might of xbows, its true that I'm still far from timing good shots at medium range (too much archery, massive brainderp due to proj speed change) but sooner or later I will learn, ability to onehit 4 out of 5 archers at medium/longrange is also very sweet and the accuracy (+170wpf) allows me to somewhat reliably make hits on enemys from half map distance if they are still/running in a straight line, I can also outrun almost everyone including archers. Plz buff xbows 

This text could have been written by me. I had been thinking to change to crossbows for awhile and the archery nerf finally made me do it. I've made kills with mw arbalest from such long ranges that I could've only dreamed of when I was an archer. I can't wait to play it with my own pc after the summer (although 12.1" laptop with 30-40 fps has it's own charm). My only regret is that I didn't change sooner when archery heirlooms were actually worth something.

[Freland]

Yeah seems to be the trend to switch to xbow these days. If Fassader wasn't playing this class there would be a nerf incoming.

[Keshian]

If you look at strategus too, its definitely the easy mode class where you can get super-high k/ds because you can hide on these huge maps and easily make halfway acrosss the map shots with the arbalest's current shoot speed.  The cost really has never been a factor, you just buy ten and you reuse them by going back and picking them up where you dropped them when you die, which is pretty easy since you were usually hiding far away from any actual fighting.

Pretty much cav and xbowmen top the charts in most strategus battles.

[Darkkarma]

If you look at strategus too, its definitely the easy mode class where you can get super-high k/ds because you can hide on these huge maps and easily make halfway acrosss the map shots with the arbalest's current shoot speed.  The cost really has never been a factor, you just buy ten and you reuse them by going back and picking them up where you dropped them when you die, which is pretty easy since you were usually hiding far away from any actual fighting.

Pretty much cav and xbowmen top the charts in most strategus battles.

Cav yes, xbows, no. Aside from a few really good xbowers, Archers usually just dominate. (Especially when guys like you, S walker and others are in the game.) The arbalest may shoot across the map, but the ammount of difficulty it takes to actually hit someone from that range is another matter entirely. Also, considering that we only get 12-15 bolts in a match, one will be much more reluctant to try and take too many of those shots, especially with the reload speeds. I've been messing with both bolts and bows alot lately and tbh, after I got the build figured out, archery was pretty much just as easy as Xbows granted it was a bit different being that it was a bow. I honestly can't even imagine how much easier longbowing must have been back when you could shoot across the map with the right stats. Not having to worry about rain was also a big bonus.

[Keshian]

Cav yes, xbows, no. Aside from a few really good xbowers, Archers usually just dominate. (Especially when guys like you, S walker and others are in the game.) The arbalest may shoot across the map, but the ammount of difficulty it takes to actually hit someone from that range is another matter entirely. Also, considering that we only get 12-15 bolts in a match, one will be much more reluctant to try and take too many of those shots, especially with the reload speeds. I've been messing with both bolts and bows alot lately and tbh, after I got the build figured out, archery was pretty much just as easy as Xbows granted it was a bit different being that it was a bow. I honestly can't even imagine how much easier longbowing must have been back when you could shoot across the map with the right stats. Not having to worry about rain was also a big bonus.

Yeh, pre-January archery was definitely easy mode, but I do think with the massive nerfs to archery that its UP in normal cRPG and maybe a little OP on Strategus, while xbows are balanced on cRPG and a little too OP on Strategus.

[Spawny]

Hitting someone across the map with an arbalest and steel bolts doesn't even kill an archer in 1 hit.

Unless he's an idiot and doesn't move, you're not getting the chance to hit him again.

[Gurnisson]

Just played archer the other day, for the first time in ages. To me it seems more damaging than I remembered (5 PD, 161 archery, regular horn bow, regular tatar arrows). Firing on the move, and being able to move while reloading is major advantages compared to xbows. I would say that bows are a lot better in low-populated servers compared to xbows, while crossbowmen are better at high-populated servers.

I'm actually considering going archer again.

[Magikarp]

Just played archer the other day, for the first time in ages. To me it seems more damaging than I remembered (5 PD, 161 archery, regular horn bow, regular tatar arrows). Firing on the move, and being able to move while reloading is major advantages compared to xbows. I would say that bows are a lot better in low-populated servers compared to xbows, while crossbowmen are better at high-populated servers.

I'm actually considering going archer again.

Archers indeed deal more damage than before because of speed bonuses.

What bothers me somewhat is that crossbows can't compete enough because of their sluggish reload. Yet they deal a huge amount of damage to counterbalance that. It's retarded imo, I'd like a hybrid of their current state and their native state, it would be a lot better.
That way they have faster reloads but deal a bit less damage.

[Cup1d]

Siege crossbow + steel bolts do 65 pierce in native versus 100 pierce in cRPG.

Indeed. Slightly.

[Darkkarma]

You can also shoot siege bows across the map and reload 4 times the rate of the 100 pierce xbow with 3 times the amount of ammo bolts. 

[Magikarp]

Siege crossbow + steel bolts do 65 pierce in native versus 100 pierce in cRPG.

Indeed. Slightly.

That's why I say, make a hybrid of these two figures.

[Ylca]

Archers = Ranged support. They soften up targets quickly and get few kills
Xbows = Ranged combat. They kill/almost kill targets but shoot very slowly and are not optimal for large numbers of targets.

Bow = Assault Rifle
Xbow = Sniper Rifle.

I've recently made another STF archer and i can honestly say that i like the fact that the two ranged classes are distinct and both have their advantages and disadvantages. I wish people would stop trying to equalize them to the point where a bow is a mini-crossbow and an crossbow is a mini-bow as that removes the point of having two distinct classes in the first place. If anything archer needs a light buff in the form of the removal of the absolutely ridiculous upkeep penalty for actually using arrows, but other than that xbows and bows are starting to fall in line in terms of utility and unique advantages- which is awesome.

[Mtemtko]

Xbowman: Archer wai u so sad   
Archer: CUZ U CAN SHOTGUN ME.

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[Malaclypse]

I wish people would stop trying to equalize them to the point where a bow is a mini-crossbow and an crossbow is a mini-bow as that removes the point of having two distinct classes in the first place. If anything archer needs a light buff in the form of the removal of the absolutely ridiculous upkeep penalty for actually using arrows, but other than that xbows and bows are starting to fall in line in terms of utility and unique advantages- which is awesome.

Quoted for perceived truth /agree.

[Phew]

As a polearm guy, I fear archers, because they can kite me all day.

X-bowmen can't, so they usually have to be some kind of melee hybrid.

I think both classes are pretty balanced compared to each other and the game in general right now.