Awlpikes and 2D vs Hoplite which do you fear more?

[Jarlek]

4,37 ratio as 2d polearm
10 ratio as hoplite

nerf hoplite

90 KDD as hoplite
118 KDD as awlpike

nerf awlpike

[Falka]

EDIT: Funny how falka minuses it, even when it's something I posted for someone else.

I "-"ed your post cause it's apparenty what you expected:

wanted me to post this for him so they would minus me instead of him

I didn't want to dissapoint you. But also I don't agree with your/Knitler's statement.

Btw, it's cute that you check who minused your posts...

[Sari]

I find hoplite very effective in battle. Been on top of the team couple of times.

[Corsair831]

i think it's quite apparent that the thing which really needs nerfing is this instantaneous crpg stab; why is it faster for the longest ranged attack (which also does the most damage), with lower WPF, than it is to do a leftswing with a faster weapon's attack (which is also the shortest attack) ?

[Teeth]

10 ratio as hoplite

Pics or it didn't happen.

[Knitler]

Knitler told me to post these two screens and text for him:

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It's not about the weapon, but the player behind it.

[Teeth]

Ah, he was referring to those pictures, thought he was talking about his own k/d with the classes. Basing any balance argument on two strat battles is highly problematic of course. First of all a Strat battle is completely unrepresentative for pub gameplay. Second of all these two battles were clearly very different. With the first one being a clear rape, with everyone having a very high k/d relatively. Also one is a siege defense and the other a field battle.

[Kafein]

A target switch will not always work against an hoplite because they have shields, but I don't think this is much of an argument in favor of hoplites. An awlpiker is the absolute worst candidate for target switching as the instant he understands you are switching he will release and therefore hit you first. It depends on which awlpiker we are talking about but I doubt many people here would often get knitler this way.

[Knitler]

Ah, he was referring to those pictures, thought he was talking about his own k/d with the classes. Basing any balance argument on two strat battles is highly problematic of course. First of all a Strat battle is completely unrepresentative for pub gameplay. Second of all these two battles were clearly very different. With the first one being a clear rape, with everyone having a very high k/d relatively. Also one is a siege defense and the other a field battle.

Uhm,... both were field battles, one time as defender and one time as attacker (but you know how it works, everybody attacks)...Dont mind that siegetower XD

[Leshma]

Well to be perfectly honest, they were attacking both times. We just had superior tactics (and players).

For me, strat battle feels like I'm playing on NA1 and NA strat battle feels like I'm playing on CHN1. You probably have better PC, capable of dealing with so many players.

What interest me, will awlpike be nerfed or not? I want to respec to polearm, that's why I'm asking.

[Butan]

Its really up to discussion whether or not nerfing those insta-stab high-damage polearms, since you still have to "wiggle" them somewhat skillfully to enjoy those stabs in close quarter, else it would glance like most weapons. This wiggling is present in most stabbing weapons so its hard to draw a line.

[Leshma]

Used to be true, not so much these days. I've got 1 wpf in polearms but from time to time I pick up MW Awlpike from the ground and somehow, it haven't glanced a single time (got 6 PS). Haven't experienced long stab stun, if I get stunned it lasts friction of a second which is a lot shorter compared to stab stun on my twohanded sword with 120 effective wpf. Same story with new 1h stab, also got 1 wpf in it and haven't glanced with regular Side Sword.

Can't wait for wpf overhaul, won't have to worry about these things anymore because I'll have wpf in every melee proficiencies.

[Butan]

I tried to pick them up with 1WPF too and I sucked at CQC 

Maybe you have some polearmer reflex which some havent, thus one could say you still got to be good to use the stab polearms; we could discuss if the same amount of "skill" would be as efficient with different weapons and weapons type.

[Leshma]

Probably it has something to do with 24 AGI and 8 ATH

[RuanXiaoQi]

awlpiker is more scareful to me