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Suggestions Corner / Re: Stop Buttlancers

« on: August 07, 2011, 07:07:15 pm »

200 to 240 is 5:6. If this great lance supposedly has 3m it means great sword has a reach of 2.5m. Some of the longest blades have like 130-140 cm plus length of hands it isnt so unreasonable. But there are few problems with this:

1. Lances ranged from 12-18 feet even more and basically would compete with length of PIKES, not some silly 2h sword.
2. Any 2hander above about 120-130....Any refences for its existance?
3. Couched lance is held almost by the end so if it has 3m you use 3m so it should have reach advantage over stab- you cant hold lance by its end shile stabbing. (This brings up question- Does couched lancing have some range change as well?) And there is a little stabbing notion with couched lance while hitting target anyway, further inceasing reach. And lastly you can couch lance and kill a man by little move from the spot you dont need 60 mph. Its still a force maybe even greater than average sword swing.

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Suggestions Corner / Re: Stop Buttlancers

« on: August 07, 2011, 03:04:21 pm »

The lances are fair and realistic as they are.
When speaking about "realism", I could write a paragraph or two explaining how the length and shape of the lance evolved during the centuries, telling what the "length" parameter actually means in Warband, and summarizing everything to point out why "heavy lance" cannot be longer that 190 and why 240 is ok for the "great lance". Of course, I could do that but I'm just sick and tired to pick sensible arguments for the whiny kids people who obviously will not listen to them because all they know is "all lances should be (sic!) a lot longer".

Write it if you dare.  Or if you already did where can i find it?

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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Great lances

« on: August 07, 2011, 02:37:48 pm »

I just started char using horse and great lance. 

It is acceptable that I must run from any horse one on one and have no chance killing him if hes aware of me. But if we go head on and I kill his horse and he still kill me with light lance at the same time (twice today) thats really weird. Unless it has 300 reach its nonsence it cant be stabbed. Making it long wouldnt do no harm as any horseman with melee weapon can dispatch such a lancer easily and if infantry want to survive it cant just be running around in the middle of a field. It would make it good for such a charge in formation maybe even against cavalry but almost useless in many other cases. (But there should be one or two really long pikes able to outreach it anytime so well organized inf allways has the advantage)

Also any horse from plated charger higher shouldnt be stopped by that mild poking like in WB. Maybe pikes could be braceable with little reach penalty while kneeling so that a person staying in place stucks it into ground and can turn around freely but once he moves he must once again retain position. If its point hits rider or horse it deals same damage as if couched maybe. 10 pikemen in circle could be almost impregnable like this.

Also if couched lancing could kill horse and rider at the same time once again it could be great. Its BS that some sword can cut both armoured horse and man in half but lance can spike only horse.