Good to hear, just to mention though; most of the guys I talked to said that they had set passwords for all of their characters... i dont know if maybe they messed up and missed one or what, but I worry that the hacker might have found a different way to get in to peoples accounts.
We're really sorry about this, and even further sorry that this will delay strategus ;)
Stupid fucking account hacker who dont understand that dev and admin cant work on getting strategus back and repair their bullshit at the sametime...
Or maybe they live for their greed. Anyway if they like to be punished lets have them get what they want it doesn't bother me at all
Most of you probably noticed (some poor lads even first hand) that there was a lot of hacking going on lately. People logged into other players accounts and tried to cause havoc in it. Mostly by selling heirlooms or by resetting chars.
a) Will those chars be restored.
Yes, definately. We will not allow anyone's fun and effort to be ruined by incidents like this. It will probably be a lot of work though, so just hang in there. Every transaction is logged, so it can be verified and restored. We will announce it when we have the tools&admins ready to reestablish the belongings.
b) How does it work.
It is, as far as I can see (the investigation isn't finished yet) related to the unpassed alts. Everyone can log into your account if you have no password set, all he needs is the name. We are currently believing, though not verified, that the reason why it got so easy is the NA stats. All you have to do is search for a player, check for some low level alt and hope for the best. I assume that works really well. This would also explain why it started when the stats were released and why it is mostly NA accounts that got hacked.
c) What are we doing about it.Right now, we disabled logging into unpassworded alts. So this means you cannot use alts as a password retrieving tool for now.We will be changing the system entirely - when you join a server with a new alt, you will receive a 4 digit password that you can then enter into the website. This should deal with this exploit. However, this requires a website and a cRPG patch, and could take some time. We're trying to deal with this as fast as possible though.
Edit: actually, we changed it a bit. You now have 120 seconds to log into an alt before it gets impossible to login via this alt. Then you'd have to create a new alt and login within 120 seconds again. This should make it impossible for alt-guessers.
We're really sorry about this, and even further sorry that this will delay strategus ;)
But we're working on it, and all will be back to normal.
PS: please make sure your password is secure (not easily guessable). If you think your account got compromised, change your password.
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We're really sorry about this, and even further sorry that this will delay strategus ;)
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so far, one member of LLJK failed to cover his tracks properly and was banned for causing many of those incidents. We are currently investigating further to see if there were helpers.
so far, one member of LLJK failed to cover his tracks properly and was banned for causing many of those incidents. We are currently investigating further to see if there were helpers.People who dod that must definitely understand that they are getting their clan reputation really bad
Our world is full of shit cause of such irresponsible and selfish, and furthermore - stupid people.
so far, one member of LLJK failed to cover his tracks properly and was banned for causing many of those incidents. We are currently investigating further to see if there were helpers.
b) How does it work.
It is, as far as I can see (the investigation isn't finished yet) related to the unpassed alts. Everyone can log into your account if you have no password set, all he needs is the name. We are currently believing, though not verified, that the reason why it got so easy is the NA stats. All you have to do is search for a player, check for some low level alt and hope for the best. I assume that works really well. This would also explain why it started when the stats were released and why it is mostly NA accounts that got hacked.
We're really sorry about this, and even further sorry that this will delay strategus ;)
But we're working on it, and all will be back to normal.
PS: please make sure your password is secure (not easily guessable). If you think your account got compromised, change your password.
Care to release the name?
Love it when Russians talk. I imagine the accent and think how cool it sounds.
As an added security question, why does the change password option not require you to enter your initial password?
Love it when Russians talk. I imagine the accent and think how cool it sounds.
Sexiest accent in the world, I swear to god.
Ban all LLJK, only way to be safe.
I hate you, and roymorrison.
I agree though, release the names.
Release the names so we can beat them the fuck up.
EDIT: It would also be nice if we could compensate the hacked individuals with something to make up for this happening to them. It would not have to be veyr big, just a small gesture.
No, you don't get compensated for forgetting to password your shit and getting hacked. You get your shit restored and that's it. Otherwise you're creating incentive for people to be dumb about their security.
That statement is false, some who got hacked had all their chars passworded.
That statement is false, some who got hacked had all their chars passworded.
Either way, you have to admit that giving people a cookie for being either unlucky or dumb is a bad idea.
Either way, you have to admit that giving people a cookie for being either unlucky or dumb is a bad idea.
Are you serious. Read my posts.
GIVE THEM THEIR CHARACTERS AND ITEMS BACK
DO NOT GIVE THEM MORE THAN WHAT THEY PREVIOUSLY HAD - SOMEONE WILL ABUSE IT
So you don't believe in compensation for things like court cases, and only an exact 100% refund?
Either way, to each their own *shrugs*
Still though, I'd like a name released.
Can't think of any known LLJK that would do this, and most of our moreincredibly retardedspecial members, haven't done anything or had involvement in this, so a name we demand.
How can someone abuse it if they have to be hacked by someone who has been caught?
I don't even understand what you're trying to say.
Got 20 bucks that says it was you.
People get their chars back and that's it.
also, stop this silly offtopic.
Could you also release the LLJK name so that LLJK can expell the member and such?
Why are all the posts about Philosoraptor getting deleted? Is he significant?
He isn't affiliated with Goons or LLJK in anyway other than Strategus.
You can do when they get on, but it will be the same as talking to Ecko about ATS_Fellblade.
He isn't a goon, infact he came on our public teamspeak earlier this morning and said "Hey guys remember when you tried to pin the hacking on me?" and then left the server.
He isn't a goon, infact he came on our public teamspeak earlier this morning and said "Hey guys remember when you tried to pin the hacking on me?" and then left the server.Also I can't prove it, but he's a chocolate chip cookie.
I am not a member of ATS, just like he isn't a member of LLJK.
Zealot i'll put that 20 into server donations know you would.
Everyone, please stop using this incident to fuel your little flamewars. This doesn't means it's the goons fault. Stop blaming entire groups for single actions. Just try and stay civil about it until it's resolved, mkay
My finger remains on the button though, just give the word. :twisted:
Everyone, please stop using this incident to fuel your little flamewars. This doesn't means it's the goons fault. Stop blaming entire groups for single actions. Just try and stay civil about it until it's resolved, mkay
That sucks pretty hard. I just sold a few heirlooms and got quite a bit of cash. I'd be willing to float (no need to repay) you 300K to get started again, if you still want to play. It sucks to get robbed, but it doesn't have to be the end of your CRPG time, unless you want it to be.
Talk with the developers and if they can't get it sorted out i'm sure between me and a few other rich uncle pennybags we could get you at least in a few +1s, maybe not what you had, but it's a start.
Why STF if you have decent build and brother goons throwing money at your feet
e: ill dish in 100k if needed
Save downer fund by LLJK
Will donate 200k if Downer can't get his items back, but he should on IRC cuz this has happened before.
Do you have any extra accounts on your serial when you click that little drop down menu? I pledge 100k.
Well gee chadz you did come in here and tell everyone that an LLJK member was responsible but wouldn't tell anyone the name. Not sure what else you could expect from doing something like that except a witch-hunt.
lljk's only entrance requirement is a membership on a forum with 150000 users, this group punishment fetish certain community members have is literally retarded when applied to lljk. i mean, good lord it's dumb. not regular dumb even. it boggles my mind. i'm pretty sure i could slam my face into the keyboard (my playing style) a coupel times and type up a more sensible solution, here
Weren't you LLJK ?A_BEAR_IRL is one of our three ursine members, yes.
Everyone, please stop using this incident to fuel your little flamewars. This doesn't means it's the goons fault. Stop blaming entire groups for single actions. Just try and stay civil about it until it's resolved, mkay
Needless to say, an emotionless ban is the other side of the coin :)Hopefully it is an emotionless IP ban because otherwise it isnt that hard or expensive to buy another copy of Warband and create a new account.
Hopefully it is an emotionless IP ban because otherwise it isnt that hard or expensive to buy another copy of Warband and create a new account.
Weren't you LLJK ?
i am lljk, i just don't have a tag on because one person does something dumb and our glorious NA server overlords lose their minds and start mass-banning, i would venture a guess that if someone from chaos or fallen or ootl did what zealot did, their whole clan wouldn't get a mass ban but hey it's lljk it's not overreacting or being unreasonable at all to ban everyone with the tag because one guy did something bad
I don't have any alts.
I think you are missing some of the Fallen reputation there... :/
More then a few clans give us flack just at the sight of the Tag.
Most of you probably noticed (some poor lads even first hand) that there was a lot of hacking going on lately. People logged into other players accounts and tried to cause havoc in it. Mostly by selling heirlooms or by resetting chars.
a) Will those chars be restored.
Yes, definately. We will not allow anyone's fun and effort to be ruined by incidents like this. It will probably be a lot of work though, so just hang in there. Every transaction is logged, so it can be verified and restored. We will announce it when we have the tools&admins ready to reestablish the belongings.
b) How does it work.
It is, as far as I can see (the investigation isn't finished yet) related to the unpassed alts. Everyone can log into your account if you have no password set, all he needs is the name. We are currently believing, though not verified, that the reason why it got so easy is the NA stats. All you have to do is search for a player, check for some low level alt and hope for the best. I assume that works really well. This would also explain why it started when the stats were released and why it is mostly NA accounts that got hacked.
c) What are we doing about it.Right now, we disabled logging into unpassworded alts. So this means you cannot use alts as a password retrieving tool for now.We will be changing the system entirely - when you join a server with a new alt, you will receive a 4 digit password that you can then enter into the website. This should deal with this exploit. However, this requires a website and a cRPG patch, and could take some time. We're trying to deal with this as fast as possible though.
Edit: actually, we changed it a bit. You now have 120 seconds to log into an alt before it gets impossible to login via this alt. Then you'd have to create a new alt and login within 120 seconds again. This should make it impossible for alt-guessers.
We're really sorry about this, and even further sorry that this will delay strategus ;)
But we're working on it, and all will be back to normal.
PS: please make sure your password is secure (not easily guessable). If you think your account got compromised, change your password.
I think you are missing some of the Fallen reputation there... :/
More then a few clans give us flack just at the sight of the Tag.
People don't like chasing the same archers at the end of EVERY round.
We're running around naked, oiled up and bashing each other with practice swords.
Leechers. :evil:
i am lljk, i just don't have a tag on because one person does something dumb and our glorious NA server overlords lose their minds and start mass-banning, i would venture a guess that if someone from chaos or fallen or ootl did what zealot did, their whole clan wouldn't get a mass ban but hey it's lljk it's not overreacting or being unreasonable at all to ban everyone with the tag because one guy did something bad
The only thing I have gathered from reading every single post on this thread is roymorrison has a brick for a brain
Be specific. Why do you say this?
I am actually not a hateful person,
But i have honestly no respect for Hackers or Cheaters ( wait.. its the same at the end.. anyway)
i am lljk, i just don't have a tag on because one person does something dumb and our glorious NA server overlords lose their minds and start mass-banning, i would venture a guess that if someone from chaos or fallen or ootl did what zealot did, their whole clan wouldn't get a mass ban but hey it's lljk it's not overreacting or being unreasonable at all to ban everyone with the tag because one guy did something bad
We're really sorry about this, and even further sorry that this will delay strategus ;)Sigh... :(
Sigh... :(
Maybe I should keep all 112 lljk keys banned so your argument remains valid instead of the 3.
And you wonder why EU doesn't take you seriously, and refer to you as a retard.Haha, that's ironic coming from an lljk :D
And you wonder why EU doesn't take you seriously, and refer to you as a retard.who the hell are you two? :D nah, no offense, just, keep the personal stuff to PMs guys, even tho i love flamewars, do not take it too seriously and try to stay ontopic :P
Maybe I should keep all 112 lljk keys banned so your argument remains valid instead of the 3.
Whatever makes your dick hard, bro.
Maybe I should keep all 112 lljk keys banned so your argument remains valid instead of the 3.Pretty sweet threat dude, as if us not being banned atm somehow invalidated his point or validated yours
So, to shed some more light on the matter:
One of the hackers was LLJK_hellowrold, he also released a video of his victims. Another hacker/group of hackers was EBU_Tombreh and actually every EBU_ member was part of it. Both used the NA stat site to find new alt characters.
From what we know so far, every hacked account can be traced to to those two guys.
We'll release a patch soon that does the thing explained in the OP.
Why is everyone keep saying "he" even other LLJK peeps?the moustache does fit her :P(click to show/hide)
Either way, I'm confused about what happened, and kinda irritated about this hacking nonsense delaying Strat' even longer.
Another swell thread, full of ups and downs and emotionally charged words. Lots and lots of downs, actually.
Fucking downs everywhere.
Why is everyone keep saying "he" even other LLJK peeps?
Perma ban Cheap for impossible head shots! I'm sure (s)he must be hacking :P
I thought hellowrold was BIRD clan? Every time I saw him in game his tag was _BIRD. Why are you saying he's LLJK?
LLJK_Siggy + LLJK_Big_Gay_Wiking 5-0 5 fights left, will they continue their streak against tougher opposition?
LLJK_Lady_Gaga + LLJK_PhantomZero 3-1 6 fights left
LLJK_Duckinface + LLJK_Fernando 3-1 6 fights left
A_Bear_IRL + LLJK_Ashraa 2-1 7 fights left
LLJK_Stampert + LLJK_Glenn_Beck 2-3 5 fights left, performed well unless their opposition was 1H+Shield.
LLJK_Fellblade + Hellowrold_Shaftmaster_BIRD 2-3 5 fights left, after losing the first three rounds, they bounce back on day 2 with 2 victories.
LLJK_Airborne + LLJK_Tanreall 1-2 7 fights left, still contenders with a large amount of fights unfought.
LLJK_Smoothrich + LLJK_downer 1-2 7 fights left, still contenders with a large amount of fights unfought.
LLJK_Gen_Robert_E_Leet + LLJK_Damug 0-4 6 fights left, with only 6 fights remaining it would take a major upset for victory!
LLJK_Cheapshot + LLJK_Slanted 0-0 10 fights left
LLJK_Zealot + LLJK_robtherad
+1 Awesomeness for truth exposure.(click to show/hide)
:words:
When I worked at Swirve, if we wanted soemone gone, we did a Machine Ban. Checks the computer's unique identity and bans it. Not sure what the details of it were as that was not our job, but it worked like a charm as it is harder (as well as less common knowledge) to change it.
MEHULED!
So, to shed some more light on the matter:
One of the hackers was LLJK_hellowrold, he also released a video of his victims. Another hacker/group of hackers was EBU_Tombreh and actually every EBU_ member was part of it. Both used the NA stat site to find new alt characters.
From what we know so far, every hacked account can be traced to to those two guys.
We'll release a patch soon that does the thing explained in the OP.
Please note, Ylca is a disgruntled former member of the clan, who was kicked out after we suspected him of malicious activities.
You got caught. Enjoy. If I were chadz, I'd personally ban every single one of your (LLJK) cd-keys but that would probably lead to DDoS attacks and what not.
Sounds like you sir, would make an excellent North American server admin.
Can we keep this on topic Ylca?
why do you care if we are 'trolling'? you're not in LLJK so you have no RIGHT to tell us what to do
you're not my dad roy
my dad doesn't have brain damage.
Wonder why no one from LLJK took the time to make the distinction till now.
yes ylca, or you could look at my fucking signature you literal retard
why do you care if we are 'trolling'? you're not in LLJK so you have no RIGHT to tell us what to doNo, I am your father. Together we can bring dowj the empire and bring order to the galaxy.
you're not my dad roy
my dad doesn't have brain damage.
You're probably locked out due to failed attempts. Wait for cooldown, then try recovery again.
That'd be it, yes.
lol, ugh. Gonna end up with like 30 random alts trying this shit.Then you get to delete them all! Like I had to...when I realized I had to delete them on the site... :(
Honestly, to be perfectly blunt, I don't give two shits of anyone forcing anyone to pay to play, as LLJK has ALWAYS done this and has ALWAYS been upfront about this. (clarification: Pay once).
I don't give two flaming shits either about some alliance not going through or some other such bullshit.
Fact of the matter is, hellowrold don goofed and fucked up my game. This is the only thing I care about. I don't care about clan tags. I don't care about anyone's petty squabbles. I care that some dipshit hacked, and I don't care about said dipshit's stories of crap that has nothing to do with said dipshit hacking.
If you people want to continue this He Said She Said crap, start another thread somewhere else as this is not the topic to start babbling about personal vendettas or clan politics.
In the mean time, piss off and let me play my game. No excuse for hacking.
If you're going to pull spin control, it's generally best to send a neutral member, rather than someone who has done harm to the community maliciously and recently.
Honestly, to be perfectly blunt, I don't give two shits of anyone forcing anyone to pay to play, as LLJK has ALWAYS done this and has ALWAYS been upfront about this. (clarification: Pay once).
I don't give two flaming shits either about some alliance not going through or some other such bullshit.
Fact of the matter is, hellowrold don goofed and fucked up my game. This is the only thing I care about. I don't care about clan tags. I don't care about anyone's petty squabbles. I care that some dipshit hacked, and I don't care about said dipshit's stories of crap that has nothing to do with said dipshit hacking.
If you people want to continue this He Said She Said crap, start another thread somewhere else as this is not the topic to start babbling about personal vendettas or clan politics.
In the mean time, piss off and let me play my game. No excuse for hacking.
Bird clan was just a joke on BRD btw they all are in same TSWhoever makes a lame bragpost to "own the hacking" on SA would almost certainly be banned and we would be the better for it. Haha what makes you think SA would care what we do with our pretend internet knights game?
why not just own the hacking, it will win you points over on SA forums anyhow
Honestly I have never before seen Tears be emotional and make an irrational post like this.
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these hackers are noob
no one hacked my account when my password was "siiem" for 5 months
Holy shit people had their accounts deleted? Fuck that sucks. I was one of the goons who got hacked a few weeks back and now I guess I'm lucky because they 'only' stole my looms instead of also deleting my guy.
I think the idea of people getting hacked because they had an unpassworded alt is probably the case. I know I had like 6 alts and I can only remember the password for 5 of them so I bet I had one without. I know goretooth said he didn't have any alts but I know I've seen him with an archer alt, but that was a long time ago.
I still maintain my decision to make hellowrold ambassador of BIRD CLAN was the correct one and we stand behind him fully.Are you serious? My mind is telling me there's no way anybody could be so stupid that they fully support a known and confessed hacker who ruined the game for multiple individuals so this has to be a joke. But then again, my mind also told me there's no way anybody could leave a security hole in a login system so large that any random person could set your password as long as they known your name. While I couldn't agree with a server admin banning a whole clan for the actions of one individual, I wouldn't criticize them negatively for banning anybody would could seriously follow such a line of thought. But if you're being sarcastic, I just don't know you well enough to tell.
No that was in fact Goretooth. He used to go melee one gen archer another to grind money
However, there's one thing that I read earlier that I can't ignore
Are you serious? My mind is telling me there's no way anybody could be so stupid that they fully support a known and confessed hacker who ruined the game for multiple individuals so this has to be a joke. But then again, my mind also told me there's no way anybody could leave a security hole in a login system so large that any random person could set your password as long as they known your name. While I couldn't agree with a server admin banning a whole clan for the actions of one individual, I wouldn't criticize them negatively for banning anybody would could seriously follow such a line of thought. But if you're being sarcastic, I just don't know you well enough to tell.
Is it possible to pass on the info to valve if any of them use M&B through steam? Could get them banned form Native and receive a slap to the face on steam as well. A friend of mine hacked something on steam I'm not sure what, he won't tell me. The moral of the story is that the 150$ + of games he HAD on steam are now only to be referred to in the past tense.
theres no apology needed at all lol The only ones that are to blame are the prepubescent assholes that had so much time in their hands that they needed to screw honest players.
I would also say that if at the very beginning we had all our current and future toons under the same password (like in every other damn game) things like that would not happen. So please ffs stop shitting on the head of the people that tries to bring something to this community and start putting your dirty fat fingers on the real problems in this game... Mainly all the trolls and the way alts where bound to the main characters with or without a separate password O_o, not the one who brought the security flaw in the light w/o even knowing it..
Is it possible to pass on the info to valve if any of them use M&B through steam? Could get them banned form Native and receive a slap to the face on steam as well. A friend of mine hacked something on steam I'm not sure what, he won't tell me. The moral of the story is that the 150$ + of games he HAD on steam are now only to be referred to in the past tense.
I bet you just love the shit out of Julian Assange too, hypocrite.
Can we stop calling hellowrold a hacker? He logged into accounts that didn't have passwords. Calling him a hacker is like calling someone who walks through open doors a "master cat burglar".
Fair enough, he's a hijacker like zealot.Even that is giving him way too much credit.
I bet you just love the shit out of Julian Assange too, hypocrite.
unfortunately not of any evidence that any of them involved in this, no way in hell others weren't aware of what helloworld was doing, especially if they say he's no good at computers he may have just agreed to carry out something that say Zealot actually has the skills for, for exampleZealot also faked the moon landing and shot JFK.
Hey, I wonder why LLJK doesn't like the rest of the community.
But no, Goons are victims here. Nevermind that the entire Goon history is comprised of your "community" shitting all over everything and being asshats that flame, troll, and fuck over everyone.Thank you for your support, Gorath. It's nice to know that despite past differences with LLJK, you can put aside your feelings and defend us when we get hassled for no reason. You're a true hero.
Poor poor goons.
You are incorrectly using the word hypocrite.
the best part of this whole thing is the rest of LLJK can make a joke out of the entire thread and look like all stars on their own forums
I just got temp banned from SA for trolling in the cRPG thread. :(
Facts about the British:
-Race of supervillians
-Love taxing tea and stamps
-Born hackers
-Play weird games like cricket
Ban all british.
Words.
Leaving LLJK is an offense worthy of continued harassment.
Much better! Believable, but with the trademark lack of any narrative resembling actual events.
Leaving LLJK is an offense worthy of continued harassment. Certain members of LLJK have a reality issue, which is why zealot can attempt to be a diplomat 20 seconds after causing quite the stir, and why for some reason poor LLJK members seem to constantly be getting themselves banned. Must be some sort of conspiracy that a few manage to get themselves banned wherever they go.
Mass bans have never been the answer but LLJK is constantly going to deal with bad PR because they won't take out their trash because e-friends never say no or voice an opinion, even while the house is burning. Add to that the numerous heavy thinkers who can be trolled with anything more than a paragraph worth of writing (that they just cannot ignore, apparently) and you have a pretty large set of soft targets just asking for constant scrutiny.
Much better! Believable, but with the trademark lack of any narrative resembling actual events.
Leaving LLJK is an offense worthy of continued harassment. Certain members of LLJK have a reality issue, which is why zealot can attempt to be a diplomat 20 seconds after causing quite the stir, and why for some reason poor LLJK members seem to constantly be getting themselves banned. Must be some sort of conspiracy that a few manage to get themselves banned wherever they go.
Mass bans have never been the answer but LLJK is constantly going to deal with bad PR because they won't take out their trash because e-friends never say no or voice an opinion, even while the house is burning. Add to that the numerous heavy thinkers who can be trolled with anything more than a paragraph worth of writing (that they just cannot ignore, apparently) and you have a pretty large set of soft targets just asking for constant scrutiny.
Facts about the British:
-Race of supervillians
-Love taxing tea and stamps
-Born hackers
-Play weird games like cricket
Ban all british.
maybe this is the reason you were banned, of-corse if you had brains you would of worked that out by now and you would have stopped. But you don't so you wont hence is why you are always being banned *sigh* this is why I don't play on NA servers, and the bitching continues *sigh*
Much better! Believable, but with the trademark lack of any narrative resembling actual events.Ylca, I just want you to know that I enjoyed your company in LLJK. You're an okay guy.
At least this is both more amusing and less offensive than the previous posts in this thread about mass bans and people not being able to comprehend sarcasm.(click to show/hide)