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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: zonn44 on June 08, 2011, 12:15:40 pm
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Need some tips for how a 2Hander should fight a shielder/1hander.
Thnx
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My main is a 1hander, so i may be wrong, but i guess first is footwork (high athletic) to use the high lenght of your weapon and turn around the shield. Next i guess is feint, the guy is shield up you feint, he believe you strike, he down his shield to hit you, you strike him first (doesn't work against good 1hander).
But i guess the nemesis of shield is an axe, you destroy his shield in 3 or 4 hit and then it's a free way for your strike (many 1hander don't know how to manual block).
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Having played both 1h+shield and 2hander a lot i'll offer some advice. As a 2hander you have the range advantage so use it and try to keep the shielder on the very edge of your killing zone at all times, always be trying to get behind the shielder too. Pull off some feints, if he doesn't fall for one, two or even three swing feints try a straight hit - he may think it's feint and let you hit him, mind games! Mix it up a bit, feint sometimes, othertimes trade blows a little. Use a weapon with the special effect 'bonus against shield' and try to get through the shield.
If the shielder is a very good player (likely due to the average skill level of players in cRPG) simple feints wont work often and they can probably manual block decently too. In this case you try a kickslash or take the easy way out and bring friends to gang up on him while doinf all of the above.
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invest in a great maul
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invest in a great maul
An axe is better. A decent shielder will likely evade your attack and spam you to pieces.
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step to their sides. Circling hurts them more than others.
Don't hold your first 3 or four swings, then hold one just a bit before releasing. Set a pace, then disrupt it and you'll get a kill 90% of the time.
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step to their sides. Circling hurts them more than others.
Don't hold your first 3 or four swings, then hold one just a bit before releasing. Set a pace, then disrupt it and you'll get a kill 90% of the time.
This. Try to begin with simple combat attack-block-attack-block and so on then a feint has a higher chance of success. If you feint right away he'll be concentrated.
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I use a Great Long Bardiche, so it's a shieldbreaker but painfully slow, so I can easily get spammed by a 1her if I let them stay in my face.
I'm still perfecting this technique, but I guess you'd call it "jousting": I run past the shielder and unleash my swing at max range, but just keep running past them afterwards. Rinse and repeat. Thanks to the speed bonus, even steel shields break in <5 swings. Unfortunately, this technique fails me fairly often, with the shielder often smacking me in the ass after I pass them. But I also have 3 athletics, so maybe this works better if you are speedy.
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I use a Great Long Bardiche, so it's a shieldbreaker but painfully slow, so I can easily get spammed by a 1her if I let them stay in my face.
I'm still perfecting this technique, but I guess you'd call it "jousting": I run past the shielder and unleash my swing at max range, but just keep running past them afterwards. Rinse and repeat. Thanks to the speed bonus, even steel shields break in <5 swings. Unfortunately, this technique fails me fairly often, with the shielder often smacking me in the ass after I pass them. But I also have 3 athletics, so maybe this works better if you are speedy.
LOL! Awesome tactic! I'm gonna try this one :D
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spam them, learn to block well and try to sneak in for the side/back while frontal dueling where the shields aura is not effective (aim low)
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If you are not a good blocker, there is nothing you can do in a 1v1 situation with an experienced shielder (kinngrimm comes into mind), he won't wait for you to spam his shield down and once he lands a hit you'll be spammed to death with 0 chances to strike back unless you block. Good shielders generally have agi builds so footwork won't help as it's very likely they have higher athletics then you do.
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Kickslash.
Prepare block for his coming attack, maneuver your body, kick, slash. Rinse and repeat. If he's spamming feints, it may be hard to actually block his attack, as well as kicking him. If so, you'll be punished hard if you miss with your kick.
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run ;-)
no seriously it's hard if he has some skill.
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Swing at you 2h's max range. As he blocks the fist swing: stay at that range and immediately swing again. Use footwork to make him miss his swing as your swing just hits due to it's superior range. This is easiest and very effective, especially with the longer weapons like greatswords. (Kite-spam)
If you're a good manual blocker, you can also try to facehug him and try to get behind him. This is relatively easy to do and quite effective.
Some shielders fall for feints. Try one or maybe two. If they don't fall for the first feint, beware. They will counter by spamming you, thus hitting you while you're feinting.
And lastly, like marathon said, try holding an attack just a bit longer. Good shielders release their block instantly after you hit. By delaying a swing a bit (holding it a bit longer), you can make them release block early.
Some shielders are very predictable in their swing directions. If you have practiced this, you can try a chamber block. I'm mentioning this because it's possible, not because it's the smart thing to do though. But some situations allow you to chamber. Sadly, most alert shielders don't fall for a chamber block counter. Some do though.
To sum it up, there are several techniques:
- Kite-spamming
- Facehug / get behind
- Feinting
- Holding
- Chamberblock
The trick is to guess which approach works best for your opponent.
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I find the easiest way is to facehug shielders and swing at their feet. This causes most of them to glance off of me with every swing while I enjoy full damage. This doesn't work on warhammer's and steel picks however, but against any other 1her it seems to be almost a guaranteed nullifier to their short weapon.
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I use all this attack techniques and work quite well against bad or average shielders.
Still meet some great shielder (Cyber,Kansuke,Kingrimm,Dima,Olwen...) in battle is worst nightmare and only rational reaction in this situation is run away.
For fighing best shielders you need shieldbreaker weapon, very good blocking skills and hope for best after shield broke, because best shielders are usually great in manual blocking, too.
And most important thing: use good helmet. :)
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Since I can't "react' block worth a crap, I rely on playing the odds and "guessing" where they might swing. And I've found most shielders love to open with a left swing, ESPECIALLY pick users.
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You only have to worry about the backswing and overhead with 1hrs (unless its a stabby wep) so focus your blocks on those as that is mainly what 1hrs will throw at you.
I find it almost impossible to block a quick 1hr that feints to overhead, so against good shielders, its all about range and dodging swings.
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what annoys me as shielder the most are 2 things
1. Backpaddlers hit, walk out of range, hit again etc..
2. If you kick / hit trough the block at the right moment
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It's awesome how many shield users will run right up to you, never for a moment anticipating that you know what the E button does. Learn it and love it, along with blocking and feinting.
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It's awesome how many shield users will run right up to you, never for a moment anticipating that you know what the E button does. Learn it and love it, along with blocking and feinting.
Be careful, though, certain shielders would notice the "ready" stance as they rush up. I would counter this with a side step and a backhand swing from the left (or your right) as your kick leaves you very vulnerable to incoming attacks.
Of course... Most 2H/Pole I've met just spam their attacks against me, back peddle out of my range since my 1H shielder in full plate with all the wpf reduced are just too slow to keep up. (Not to mention it's a hybrid 1H/Pole cav build, 0 athletics)
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Since I can't "react' block worth a crap, I rely on playing the odds and "guessing" where they might swing. And I've found most shielders love to open with a left swing, ESPECIALLY pick users.
Tis true - left swing is the most effective and, seemingly, the fastest attack. Most shielders will go for left swing because
1) Almost 100% to hit the head
2) Lowest swing distance
3) "sneaky" animation - right swing is very wide open, while left is "hidden" behind
4) It's quite fast - especially when the shielders turns at the same moment. Instant headslah = death.
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Axe spam
Axe spam
Axe spam!!!!
If you don't have an axe, try to run around the right side of them and use a right slash to get behind their shield.
Or use another teammate to try to turn them around (like flipping a turtle over to get the soft side).
Above all, use your range.