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Title: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Grumbs on January 19, 2018, 10:47:09 pm
I see 110 people playing and I want to join but I'm too late. Could you let people join after the battle started? Why do I have to play with one of my shitty alts (i'm not making my main my hero if I can't respec him)
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Asheram on January 19, 2018, 11:07:00 pm
The reinforcements have arrived but they get balanced to the team with less players.
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Grumbs on January 19, 2018, 11:11:09 pm
It just says the battle has started so I can't join. I'm pretty much a newbie to strat though so maybe i'm doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Asheram on January 19, 2018, 11:15:16 pm
Me too.Was just saying late comers could be like reinforcement troops. I am sure when it starts back up again serious I probably won't get picked by any team.
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Leshma on January 19, 2018, 11:19:16 pm
Get on TS 30 mins before battle starts and ask to join one of the sides in their respective channel.

Strategus is socializing event where you are supposed to interact with other people and have fun, it's not autistic silent room where you grind for 12 hours straight on x5 multiplier like a madman. Been there, done that, speaking from experience.

If you change Strategus to be like battle, full of random fools who don't talk to each other then it is going to lose a ton of its appeal and completely lose the purpose. You can't do anything meaningful with bunch of pugs.
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Asheram on January 19, 2018, 11:21:47 pm
I actually do not like strat just been signing up because the big ones drain battle population.
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Leshma on January 19, 2018, 11:31:57 pm
I understand that but most people (unlike autistic pricks such as myself) prefer to have fun with other people and while you can have that on battle in your clans private TS channel, on Strategus there is bunch of people from other clans and that makes it ton more interesting and funnier.

Clan TS = you and your pals, bunch of (bad) internal jokes, to outsiders it sounds like few people are farting in the mic 80% of the time and telling lame jokes over and over and over again
Strategus TS = imagine an event in between university classes where hundred people who don't know each other are interacting and having fun in super chill atmosphere.

People often say Strategus is great because it has higher purpose and involves proper strategy and planning. That is true, but only for 5% of Strategus tacticians and internet warlords, bonafide aspergers sufferers who can't tell importance of real life from attack on Curaw. Other 95% of people are there to have fun and hang our with each other.
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Grumbs on January 19, 2018, 11:33:46 pm
I'm not gonna join 30 mins before. I hardly know when i'm gonna feel like playing at all let alone 30 mins before I do.
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Leshma on January 19, 2018, 11:36:07 pm
You can be a prick and not show up which is fine if you know the dude who is in charge.
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Grumbs on January 19, 2018, 11:38:52 pm
That implies I know a battle is going to start.

cRPG hardly exists to me until I feel like I have nothing else to do
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Bugnir on January 20, 2018, 12:05:18 am
Why do I have to play with one of my shitty alts (i'm not making my main my hero if I can't respec him)

This is my biggest gripe with strat. If you commit your main you wont be able respec without losing a shit ton of xp (millions usually) and additionally you will be locked to one build for EU1.

Lets say you maybe want to change something in your build for EU1, then you'd have to create an alt for strat and play for 3 days with a build you dont want on EU1, either that or play with alts which might also not be ideal, until you can finally change it.
Now how about if you want to change your main to something different for strat, for example; maybe you are a shielder who is tired of being treated like disposable garbage so you want to try a new class. Then you'd have to endure 3 days of playing something you dont enjoy or simply not play strat for 3 days. After that you either play on an alt (which could be low level) or not play at all for another 3 days until you can play with your main again. That's almost an entire week of possibly missing out on a lot of fun.
Of course for the latter 3 days you could always play with a skip the fun character to try out the class, unfortunately you'd lose out on one of the major aspects of strat, mainly the huge XP gain.

I will say that my points on this issue stem from my own opinions/experience so it is heavily biased of course. If I am alone in feeling this way then for all purposes just disregard this post entirely but please do tell me what you think of the no respec for strat heroes and the 3 days wait period. Is this an issue, is it just a minor inconvenience or is it perhaps a positive feature for you?

I do understand why these restrictions exist but I personally feel like it works as a barrier against strat accessibility which shouldn't be the case.
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Morris on January 20, 2018, 12:15:48 am
sub-70 IQ detected
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Grumbs on January 20, 2018, 12:30:45 am
less than -70 IQ? How can I get positive IQ?
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Casul on January 20, 2018, 12:52:40 am
I'm not gonna join 30 mins before. I hardly know when i'm gonna feel like playing at all let alone 30 mins before I do.

30 min not even necessary, 15-10 min is ok. Join the TS, mute your mic, leave a msgs in channel chat that you will be there so you dont have to care for rolecall that much, if at all, then alt tab. Just listen a bit and hop on EU3 on time, thats all you need. I think its a nice experience, those battles are mostly pretty cool, you should give it a try when you have time and are in dire need of a ship load of autism and raging kurwa kids in TS.
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: pogosan on January 20, 2018, 02:01:30 am
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Grumbs on January 20, 2018, 09:39:24 am
Fair enough. I wouldn't want to spoil what people like about it just because i'm too lazy to join before it starts.

Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Torben on January 20, 2018, 10:29:52 am
usually battles have trouble filling the rosters,  just apply to both sides - if they dont need you and you arent in ts,  they will kick u out.  if they have room in the roster,  theyll just leave you in and u can join the battle when feeling like it
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Corsair831 on January 20, 2018, 01:08:20 pm
It can actually be quite fun on the teamspeaks Grumbs, come along some time (I'll come with you if you're scared of the big boys  :D ), tactics occasionally accidentally happen and there's an all around gwuaffauh

It's all a good laugh
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Torben on January 20, 2018, 01:36:02 pm
It can actually be quite fun on the teamspeaks Grumbs, come along some time (I'll come with you if you're scared of the big boys  :D ), tactics occasionally accidentally happen and there's an all around gwuaffauh

It's all a good laugh

its true!  actually the right ts makes a great part of the battle experience.  if you have a sympathetic commander or cool teammates,  its a blast,  if not,  its super ennervating.

back in the days some NA faction would always blast spacejam during first minutes of battle with everyone singing along :D
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Beleg on January 20, 2018, 01:45:39 pm
Also, nditions ts parties..the memories..

Never forget
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Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Butan on January 20, 2018, 02:25:29 pm
I totally understand your point of view Grumbs. Its not being lazy or stupid like some people imply, it would just open up strategus battles to those who arent interested in it.
Strategus battles are fueled mostly by people who dont have sides in strategus and some probably think its a game for autist and only come for the good battles/population/XP.


It would be truly glorious if people could join EU_3/NA_3 like a normal server when a strategus battle has started, and just get auto-balanced into a team. There could still be 60/60 roster limit for strategus players, and the server could be capped at 150 or 200 so there could be 30 to 80 slots for random players. That would also deal with the "lacking players" problems of under-staffed factions.
Those random players can work really well into a team with no need for teamspeak. Commander chat and just playing with the other teammates = 90% of the coordination needed. I know because thats what I do  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Leshma on January 20, 2018, 03:00:37 pm
Fair enough. I wouldn't want to spoil what people like about it just because i'm too lazy to join before it starts.

Was just like you, having an idea that Strategus should change to fit my, well won't call them needs more like mostly irrational desires. Then I played along and got the hang of it. Yes, Strat battles can last for longer time than average battles/siege maps but you're lying to yourself if you think you have no time, you can't organize yourself, it doesn't fit your flow or whatever.

When I was playing cRPG I was spending double digit hours every day in game and yet somehow think that I don't have an hour to dedicate to Strategus battle which was happening at preset time (!?) but it was actually all about my psyche rejecting any form of organization. cRPG battle is very unhealthy way to spend time because it goes on and on without any purpose and you can spend crazy amounts of time in that limbo doing practically nothing of value. It is ultimate form of procrastination. Strategus is way healthier way to game and would be actually great if it was the only way to play cRPG because then every player would have to follow schedule, have some goals in game to achieve (beside pointless, reach crazy soft level cap goal which was put in place to discourage sane people to even try getting there).

Basically you can play Strat maybe four hours tops a day because it is quite mentally exhausting while you can play autopilot battle for up to 16 hours before physical discomfort kicks in.

chadz the Austrian fucker knew this and is now walking aimlessly in purgatory, trying to atone for his sins, for what he's done to mentally unstable players like me. All happened to him for a reason.

I match your offer to change Strat to the liking on brain dead zombie battle my old friends and raise it to the level where I ask for Strat model to become only way to game cRPG. Because if that was the case I might play again. Doing braindead battle time sink grind bullshit, nope, never again.
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: ARN_ on January 20, 2018, 03:02:27 pm
I totally understand your point of view Grumbs. Its not being lazy or stupid like some people imply, it would just open up strategus battles to those who arent interested in it.
Strategus battles are fueled mostly by people who dont have sides in strategus and some probably think its a game for autist and only come for the good battles/population/XP.


It would be truly glorious if people could join EU_3/NA_3 like a normal server when a strategus battle has started, and just get auto-balanced into a team. There could still be 60/60 roster limit for strategus players, and the server could be capped at 150 or 200 so there could be 30 to 80 slots for random players. That would also deal with the "lacking players" problems of under-staffed factions.
Those random players can work really well into a team with no need for teamspeak. Commander chat and just playing with the other teammates = 90% of the coordination needed. I know because thats what I do  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
There are a lot of problems that could come from that tho. Like troll and people you have on a blacklist, if make a point of making it so these people are banned from taking part in your battle it would be quite bad if they could just join it anyway. People wasting construction sites and material for example(more of a problem early game, and I know we can set ranks now but still). Also what about fief transfers can't really do those if there suddenly are 100 people showing up from no where. Last the simple fact that it is much easier to coordinate if you are all in the same ts. These are just some of the problems that would come out of such a system.

Of course I want more people to take part in the battles but the commanders should also have a lot of control.
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Butan on January 20, 2018, 03:08:35 pm
There are a lot of problems that could come from that tho. Like troll and people you have on a blacklist, if make a point of making it so these people are banned from taking part in your battle it would be quite bad if they could just join it anyway. People wasting construction sites and material for example(more of a problem early game, and I know we can set ranks now but still). Also what about fief transfers can't really do those if there suddenly are 100 people showing up from no where. Last the simple fact that it is much easier to coordinate if you are all in the same ts. These are just some of the problems that would come out of such a system.

Of course I want more people to take part in the battles but the commanders should also have a lot of control.


Trolls can get admin banned, two or three offenses and they are likely to be barred from the game for a long time. Fiefs transfers shouldnt be in the first place, but yeah it could fuck those up real bad.
And about coordination, whether its easier or more difficult to coordinate out of teamspeak, you get approximately 50% or less people actually listening during the battle (not here, not caring or deaf/muted) so if it was bad it already is.

I think ease of access that would lead to balanced battles is much more important. There is too many battles that should be hard fought, that end up flag capped in under 20 minutes... And thats with most of the battles being done by mega factions! Just wait for the strategus reset, and you will see all the smaller factions pop up, do a couple battles, get steam rolled by roster issues and quit. It will always be like that until the game is changed.
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 20, 2018, 09:42:47 pm
It can actually be quite fun on the teamspeaks Grumbs, come along some time (I'll come with you if you're scared of the big boys  :D ), tactics occasionally accidentally happen and there's an all around gwuaffauh

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Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: Captain_Georges on January 20, 2018, 11:44:51 pm
Allow strat chars to respec freely once a week and u gotchaself a deal
Title: Re: Could Strategus be more accessible?
Post by: ARN_ on January 20, 2018, 11:45:07 pm
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