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Title: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gurgumul on March 26, 2017, 12:31:42 am
Every drum and bass (drum'n'bass if you want to sound cool) track contains that loop of drums that goes "pap pap paparapap".
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Trying to understand what's with all the hype about such mediocre genre, I read some highly scientifical articles, and I hereafter thereby conclude the following:
1. People who appreciate dnb are just dummies looking for a hugbox. They come up with rules and stuff to make the genre look very sophisticated and "technical". Unable to appreciate real music, they created their own genre with their own rules, and called it really advanced. They envy people who can actually play music, and they secretly wish they could get the approval of listeners, so instead they get approval of other people like them and suck each others' e-peens.

2. Those people are also elitist pricks. Wikipedia says "Drum and bass exhibits a full frequency response which can only be appreciated on sound systems which can handle very low frequencies, including sub-bass frequencies that are often felt more than heard." It's a DnB thing, you wouldn't understand. You mainstream pleb.

3. That drum loop is really rather annoying and I can't understand why they stick to it so much.

4. People who know all the drum and bass subgenres are comparably autistic to people who know all the metal subgenres.

5. I'm not chocolate chip cookie or anything, but people who like drum and bass are filthy untermensch.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Asheram on March 26, 2017, 01:09:11 am
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gurgumul on March 26, 2017, 01:26:19 am
it's ok if you make a song and it gets qualified as drum and bass by some external people

but if you make a song specifically with the intention of making drum and bass, seek medical attention
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Leshma on March 26, 2017, 05:16:09 am
It's all techno to me. Like some, hate some. Dislike people who insist on music genre and subgenre.

This aint d&b but is pretty good techno:

This is good d&b:

or dis:

dis too:

Quote from: Gurgumul on March 26, 2017, 12:31:42 am
Every drum and bass (drum'n'bass if you want to sound cool) track contains that loop of drums that goes "pap pap paparapap".

True. But look, that drum section is salt while d&b song is type of meal. You can't make it without salt, but salt alone doesn't make the meal, you need other ingredients. Quality of meal depends on how everything blends together.

Similar analogy can be used for riff in rock or bagpipe tunes in celtic music.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Molly on March 26, 2017, 11:51:41 am
Any music generated with a computer, not containing real instruments played by a proper musician, is shit.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Prpavi on March 26, 2017, 12:14:51 pm
Quote from: Molly on March 26, 2017, 11:51:41 am
Any music generated with a computer, not containing real instruments played by a proper musician, is shit.

Yeah, Satans music just like that rock and roll in the 50's!

I tought d'n'b was dead, that the kids nowdays only listen to dubstep or edm or some shit. Anyway you need a really good soundsystem to appreciate such music, you do feel it literally on your skin and in your body, completely different experience than listening at home or on headphones.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 26, 2017, 12:30:21 pm
Quote from: Molly on March 26, 2017, 11:51:41 am
Any music generated with a computer, not containing real instruments played by a proper musician, is shit.

Any music that sounds good, is good. Though a live concert of computer music isnt very interesting.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gnjus on March 26, 2017, 01:19:36 pm
Quote from: Molly on March 26, 2017, 11:51:41 am
Any music generated with a computer, not containing real instruments played by a proper musician, is shit.

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Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 26, 2017, 01:28:43 pm
Also i dont do much DnB but i do believe they have different drum beats, tho generally always the same tempo, and they sound very similar.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Ikarus on March 26, 2017, 03:17:38 pm
As if other genres don´t have reoccurring patterns. Reoccurring patterns/use of specific instruments/tools is what makes a genre.

It´s like saying techno is shit cause it always just goes "BAM BAM BAM BAM" or metal is shit cause it always go "BRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRRBR" (with some occasional screeching)

1. People who appreciate dnb are just dummies looking for a hugbox. They come up with rules and stuff to make the genre look very sophisticated and "technical". Unable to appreciate real music, they created their own genre with their own rules, and called it really advanced. They envy people who can actually play music, and they secretly wish they could get the approval of listeners, so instead they get approval of other people like them and suck each others' e-peens.
1. Those cunts exist in every genre. Have you found some eccentric DnB-Producers tumblr or how come that you experience it that way? I´ve never seen DnB in that way, just enjoying the music so far

2. Those people are also elitist pricks. Wikipedia says "Drum and bass exhibits a full frequency response which can only be appreciated on sound systems which can handle very low frequencies, including sub-bass frequencies that are often felt more than heard." It's a DnB thing, you wouldn't understand. You mainstream pleb.
2. >Every genre< has elitist pricks, some more and some less. I´ve never seen a DnB elitist yet though

3. That drum loop is really rather annoying and I can't understand why they stick to it so much.
3. It´s called "different taste", some people like it some people don´t. Heck I don´t know why people like reggae when it´s always just that repetitive guitar tune "Dun dun dun dun"

4. People who know all the drum and bass subgenres are comparably autistic to people who know all the metal subgenres.
4. People who f.e. point out that it´s not "dubstep" but "post progressive alternative lofi breakbeat" are cunts in general. Subgenres are good when you want to find specific stuff, they shouldn´t be used to feel special though (and lots of people seem to want to feel veeery special)

5. I'm not chocolate chip cookie or anything, but people who like drum and bass are filthy untermensch.
5. I think you´re rather hating the DnB-"elitists", which is fine. Elitists are mostly shit no matter what genre

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btw what kind of music do you listen to, Gurgumul?
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Porthos on March 26, 2017, 05:12:33 pm
drum and bass = shit
bass and drum = perfect
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gurgumul on March 26, 2017, 05:24:46 pm
Reoccurring patterns are fine, but the exact same loop of drums starts to get annoying after a while. Look at this for example:


80% of songs in that list contain that loop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen_break) but with slightly changed speed, pitch or other properties.


Quote from: Ikarus on March 26, 2017, 03:17:38 pm
btw what kind of music do you listen to, Gurgumul?

Anything that sounds good
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Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Teeth on March 26, 2017, 05:26:44 pm
Quote from: Gurgumul on March 26, 2017, 12:31:42 am
"pap pap paparapap".
It's "pap pap parapapap" you knob.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 26, 2017, 05:58:53 pm
Quote from: Gurgumul on March 26, 2017, 05:24:46 pm
Reoccurring patterns are fine, but the exact same loop of drums starts to get annoying after a while. Look at this for example:


80% of songs in that list contain that loop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen_break) but with slightly changed speed, pitch or other properties.


Anything that sounds good
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The beats change slightly, and has some drops or buildups and what ever-theyre-calleds. It does keep a steady same rythm and pace though, its actually rather good for gaming to keep such a steady music going, without too many changes in melody etc.

Your list has AC/DC, from what ive heard of them they keep a very similar drum beat going throughout too but a rather boring one. Never could get into their music at all much due to the drums, but that goes for a lot of older rock.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gurgumul on March 26, 2017, 06:53:19 pm
AC/DC is really overrated, just like most other "classic" bands. They have a few really good songs, but the rest is pretty bland and repetitive.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Prpavi on March 26, 2017, 07:00:04 pm
Quote from: Gurgumul on March 26, 2017, 06:53:19 pm
AC/DC is really overrated, just like most other "classic" bands. They have a few really good songs, but the rest is pretty bland and repetitive.


Limp Bizkit rocks tho \m/
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gurgumul on March 26, 2017, 07:04:20 pm
Yes, I love the squeaky puberty voice of the edgy vocalist.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Ikarus on March 26, 2017, 07:13:17 pm
Quote from: Gurgumul on March 26, 2017, 05:24:46 pm
Reoccurring patterns are fine, but the exact same loop of drums starts to get annoying after a while. Look at this for example:

yeah that´s DnB which you don´t really actively listen to, that´s more like background noise when you´re working on something but want to keep yourself active/in some kind of flow, it´s nice for drawing/modeling stuff for a longer time, nothing I´d listen to in my car though

very nice list there, you might like The Raconteurs, Goodshirt, Proleter, Savant...
wait.
you got Pendulum in your list, isn´t that DnB aswell?
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Prpavi on March 26, 2017, 07:15:54 pm
Quote from: Gurgumul on March 26, 2017, 07:04:20 pm
Yes, I love the squeaky puberty voice of the edgy vocalist.

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Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Porthos on March 26, 2017, 10:58:46 pm
am I the only one who think that this topic was created with the only intention to drop this:
Quote from: Gurgumul on March 26, 2017, 05:24:46 pm
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just to show us how much you're an "elitistic" musicuck?

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Title: Re: Amen break is silly
Post by: Gurgumul on March 27, 2017, 12:05:06 am
I may be an elitist musicuck, but you're not the only one
~John Lemon, 2016

Quote from: Ikarus on March 26, 2017, 07:13:17 pm
yeah that´s DnB which you don´t really actively listen to, that´s more like background noise when you´re working on something but want to keep yourself active/in some kind of flow, it´s nice for drawing/modeling stuff for a longer time, nothing I´d listen to in my car though

very nice list there, you might like The Raconteurs, Goodshirt, Proleter, Savant...
wait.
you got Pendulum in your list, isn´t that DnB aswell?

The Raconteurs is good, but dangerously close to White Stripes.
Goodshirt sounds like your local band of basement rockers. Not super amazing, but very comfy and pleasant to listen to.
Proleter is funky fresh, but feels like there's something missing, and it's either vocals or some more variety across single tracks. The songs just sound more like background rather than standalone songs.
I should have put Savant on the list, but forgot

I think I got the whole thing wrong and should rephrase OP. Amen break is shamelessly overused in electronic music, and any artist who uses it in more than one of their songs deserves to be gas chamber'd. Musicians who base most of their music around the Amen break deserve a special hell.
Some Pendulum songs don't have the Amen break and that makes them OK I guess, but I won't miss the band if they all die in a fire.

Drum and bass is fine, as long as it doesn't contain the Amen break. It just triggers my autism for some reason.

btw I didn't think anyone would read the whole list
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Kadeth on March 27, 2017, 12:08:50 am
everyone knows that post progressive alternative technical atmospheric blackened-kadeth metal is the only genre worth listening to
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 27, 2017, 12:28:09 am
Quote from: Kadeth on March 27, 2017, 12:08:50 am
everyone knows that post progressive alternative technical atmospheric blackened-kadeth metal is the only genre worth listening to

atmospheric technical metal does sound ideal
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Kadeth on March 27, 2017, 12:39:23 am
Quote from: Gravoth_iii on March 27, 2017, 12:28:09 am
atmospheric technical metal does sound ideal

is there a metal thread around here somewhere that i can necro, or do we need a new thread?
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 27, 2017, 01:03:41 am
Quote from: Kadeth on March 27, 2017, 12:39:23 am
is there a metal thread around here somewhere that i can necro, or do we need a new thread?

Pretty sure there is one down there, mightve been panos that started it, not sure.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Asheram on March 27, 2017, 01:07:14 am
Quote from: Kadeth on March 27, 2017, 12:39:23 am
is there a metal thread around here somewhere that i can necro, or do we need a new thread?
http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/help-me-with-metal/
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Leshma on March 27, 2017, 01:17:09 am
Quote from: Gurgumul on March 26, 2017, 05:24:46 pm
Reoccurring patterns are fine, but the exact same loop of drums starts to get annoying after a while.

Depends. If tempo is changing in an interesting way same rhythm can keep you interested for awhile (techno song I posted is good example of that). Music is basically math we hear with our ears, it can literally be shown as math equation. Music can sometimes be imperfect but that has nothing to do with equation. Those little quirks come for analog equipment we use to play music and since we humans like imperfect things because we find them interesting, many of us prefer analog devices for recording and playing music. It gives personality to music because you never know when something odd is going to happen. Digital devices changed that, removed a lot of that "noise", which is why many people dislike them and prefer "real" instruments.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Leshma on March 27, 2017, 01:35:45 am
Quote from: Prpavi on March 26, 2017, 07:00:04 pm

Limp Bizkit rocks tho \m/

Limp Bizkit is on same level like Nickelback. Not dissing on Nickelback, I actually dig their music. They have the most American song ever made by Canadian band. This song basically sums up everything I know about America in just four minutes and fifteen seconds:


Donald should consider using this as national anthem instead of that boring, old ass song that is always sung by some hot mulatto murican girl. Imagine Kid Rock with Dolly Parton on his shoulders singing some mix of country and hard rock while giant billboard screen in the back is showing pictures of Hulk Hogan. Pretty damn American, isn't it? Well Rockstar by Nickelback beats it by a mile.

Easily beats: KEEP ROLLIN ROLLIN IMA FRED DURST AND IMA DUMB KEEEP ONN ROLLLINNN

Dear god, my youth was spent in listening some shit music :lol:
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 27, 2017, 05:18:07 am

As this thread is on my mind i stumble upon som DnB which actually pleases mine ears. I used to be very closeminded against all computer music (mostly due to my dad being much against it, which he kinda made me think as well as a kid), yet now i do appreciate many kinds of it, such as synthwave. I think its very fitting for racing games at high speeds to have dnb.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Ikarus on March 27, 2017, 09:20:39 am
Quote
I think I got the whole thing wrong and should rephrase OP. Amen break is shamelessly overused in electronic music, and any artist who uses it in more than one of their songs deserves to be gas chamber'd. Musicians who base most of their music around the Amen break deserve a special hell.
Some Pendulum songs don't have the Amen break and that makes them OK I guess, but I won't miss the band if they all die in a fire.

welp ok, that´s then, like, your opinion, man, I like to listen to whatever my ears like, no matter how overused it is. But I have a similar grudge against modern pop music, sounds all the same, yet they´re successful  cause music peasants want their trash

sometimes my ears like weird shit though

especially this one. I think Gravoth might like it too though  (warning: very sexual noises, audio is very sexul)
https://soundcloud.com/dj-bitchin/granding-in-my-dad
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gravoth_iii on March 27, 2017, 02:22:30 pm
Quote from: Ikarus on March 27, 2017, 09:20:39 am

especially this one. I think Gravoth might like it too though  (warning: very sexual noises, audio is very sexul)
https://soundcloud.com/dj-bitchin/granding-in-my-dad

Thats a weird kind of sexual noise then, i think he passed a kidney stone as he came and thats what made him scream so loud lol.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Ikarus on March 27, 2017, 09:34:41 pm
Quote from: Gravoth_iii on March 27, 2017, 02:22:30 pm
Thats a weird kind of sexual noise then, i think he passed a kidney stone as he came and thats what made him scream so loud lol.
sometimes pain means pleasure
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gurgumul on March 28, 2017, 01:00:33 am

Is this drum and bass? If it is, then that's how you do it properly, none of that Amen break garbage.
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Leshma on March 28, 2017, 01:48:58 am
It involves drums and bass, that's for sure. First part sounds like some electro jazz whatever is called thing, then it comes some dubstep variation. Typical drum and bass is 90s music, this sounds nothing like it. It's very modern, very 'farty'. I mean, it has that kind of sound you can make when mimicking farting sounds. It's not trying to be simple or reduced in any way. On the contrary, author tried to make it sound rich but it is far too simple for what is trying to achieve. Kafein (rest in piece my muslim friend) posted some good piece that is incredibly rich and interesting, also some fusion of various genres.

tldr verse is weak, rest is good
you can easily make something like this in fruity loops with a little bit of musical sense, don't need any expensive gear

edit: genre is called neurofunk it seems. they really should stop making up subgenres of music, it is worse than gender studies.

edit: or neurohop which is derived from neurofunk which is derived from d&b which is derived from techno which is derived from electronic music which is...

...just fuck these people, preferably with a heated metal prong
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Ikarus on March 28, 2017, 09:08:43 am
Quote from: Gurgumul on March 28, 2017, 01:00:33 am

Is this drum and bass? If it is, then that's how you do it properly, none of that Amen break garbage.

nah that´s not DnB, you´re good to go to enjoy it
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Prpavi on March 28, 2017, 12:14:42 pm
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: njames89 on March 28, 2017, 04:39:04 pm
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Asheram on March 28, 2017, 05:45:18 pm
Ladies and gentlemen fasten your seatbelts this has now become a Pendulum thread.😁
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Porthos on March 28, 2017, 06:57:51 pm
i made a short but complex linguistic research:

drum and bass music
drumandbass music
=dumbass music

mystery solved
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Ikarus on March 28, 2017, 07:39:34 pm
if you like pendulum, you might like Rchetype aswell
or Wolfgun

or both:
Title: Re: Drum and bass is silly
Post by: Gurgumul on March 28, 2017, 09:29:41 pm