and this is why I´m not into those kind of fighting games
It´s just about combos and ALWAYS about combos. That´s all. That´s the whole fucking genre.
Yeah no. I'm super bad and never invested much time into fighting games, but even I know it is about so much more than "just combos". Go play Street Fighter and practice combos and you'll still get beaten by people that don't use combos, because they'll beat you on the basics like spacing, zoning, footsies, wakeups, etc.
Title: Re: Pay homage to good videogames
Post by: Gravoth_iii on December 01, 2016, 02:21:02 pm
and this is why I´m not into those kind of fighting games
It´s just about combos and ALWAYS about combos. That´s all. That´s the whole fucking genre.
Combos is a minor part in most, there are trashy ones like MVC3 i believe that has infinites. Skullgirls also has infinite combos, and some others. Those games are trash, SFV is solid, Tekken 7 will be great. Guilty gear is supposedly good but i dont watch it much at all, and mortal kombat X seems pretty good.
Combos still is a minor part. Frame data, punishing, throwbreaks, spacing etc. Saying theyre all about combos is like saying m&b is just spamming swings.
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Post by: Gurgumul on December 01, 2016, 04:54:32 pm
Fighting games are like chess, but much more fast paced. It all comes down to who has memorised more moves, rules and tactics + super fast fingers in case of fighters. I don't like chess and fighting games because of that, they rely more on knowledge and memory than actual skill. There's also the fast clicking in case of fighters, but only autistic nerds consider that a skill (I'm talking about you, cRPG tryhards).
RTS games like Star Craft are also much like that. The players all follow the same, boring meta, no creativity in their plays at all. The player who clicks faster (more actions per minute) wins.
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on December 01, 2016, 11:52:52 pm
Fighting games are like chess, but much more fast paced. It all comes down to who has memorised more moves, rules and tactics + super fast fingers in case of fighters. I don't like chess and fighting games because of that, they rely more on knowledge and memory than actual skill. There's also the fast clicking in case of fighters, but only autistic nerds consider that a skill (I'm talking about you, cRPG tryhards).
RTS games like Star Craft are also much like that. The players all follow the same, boring meta, no creativity in their plays at all. The player who clicks faster (more actions per minute) wins.
So basically they cover all areas of skill. Not only the knowledge of characters, but also the ability to pull things off, to analyse opponents and adapt quickly to new scenarios. And clicking fast isnt hard, doing it properly under pressure is.
Besides, what you said can be applied to crpg as well, as far as duelling goes.
Title: Re: Pay homage to good videogames
Post by: IR_Kuoin on December 02, 2016, 12:36:26 pm
The video in the OP is the Fist of the North Star game made my Arcsys and is extremely broken. Even for an anime fighter :D
Personally I prefer when they do a mix of anime fighter and classic 2d, like this Capcom gem when they knew what they were doing:
1:30 for combo. all 1 framers and had to be done during flash frames
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on December 02, 2016, 12:48:40 pm
First game I ever bought for our good ol' 98 family computer. Computer came with Need for Speed III, some shitty golf game and Fifa 99, which was a heck of a deal.
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Post by: Vibe on December 02, 2016, 01:25:12 pm
Old Lucas Arts point and click games. Man what a masterpiece they were.
Fighting games are like chess, but much more fast paced. It all comes down to who has memorised more moves, rules and tactics + super fast fingers in case of fighters. I don't like chess and fighting games because of that, they rely more on knowledge and memory than actual skill. There's also the fast clicking in case of fighters, but only autistic nerds consider that a skill (I'm talking about you, cRPG tryhards).
RTS games like Star Craft are also much like that. The players all follow the same, boring meta, no creativity in their plays at all. The player who clicks faster (more actions per minute) wins.
Only kind of video games that resemble chess are turn based ones, because there is limited set of moves you can make, they give you enough time to make your move and therefore you can create strategy based on those moves. Every game you're making choices which strategy you'll employ and only thing that makes chess fun is the fact that you don't know which strategy opponent will choose. When you figure him out and beat him because of it, you feel superior, your system produce hormones that make you feel like God.
I don't think that real time games can be compared because number of combinations you have to analyze in advance is too much and they change at speed we can't operate at. It's like playing chess at 60 moves per second.
Title: Re: Pay homage to good videogames
Post by: IR_Kuoin on December 03, 2016, 01:23:34 am
Hands down best TES storyline / questline ever. Whole Bloodmoon expansion was great.
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Post by: Leshma on December 03, 2016, 01:32:52 pm
I liked that one quest in Oblivion (very few things I like in that game) where you end up inside a painting. Quest is rather simplistic, you're killing some trolls, but idea is awesome (best implementation of that idea is in Dark Souls, of course). That being said, I think the ultimate thing would be so create a line of side quests in similar fashion where we we drop inside lore books that are scattered throughout Tamriel. Like in those movies based upon fairytales.
Just imagine a quest where your Dovakhm or whoever drops inside The Lusty Argonian Maid and take upon the role of Crantius Colto, or if female char chosen by player, Lifts-Her-Tail :lol:
Of course, there are other books that offer forgotten adventures. Someone should mail this idea to Todd Howard.
Title: Re: Pay homage to good videogames
Post by: IR_Kuoin on December 05, 2016, 12:53:28 pm
Morrowind was also the only game where I actually read the different books I came across. There's something about not having voice dialogue that just makes the urge to read them even stronger.
Title: Re: Pay homage to good videogames
Post by: naduril on December 05, 2016, 03:59:31 pm
Morrowind was also the only game where I actually read the different books I came across. There's something about not having voice dialogue that just makes the urge to read them even stronger.
I did this only in Baldur's Gates. In many other games I just scrolled thru the books in case there was some necessary/quest info it automatically was transferred to journal.
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Post by: Gravoth_iii on December 05, 2016, 04:43:42 pm
I did this only in Baldur's Gates. In many other games I just scrolled thru the books in case there was some necessary/quest info it automatically was transferred to journal.
Morrowind was also the only game where I actually read the different books I came across. There's something about not having voice dialogue that just makes the urge to read them even stronger.
The main reason i have basically no interest in open world rpgs, quest trackers. Good thing Dark souls fills the gap sort of, even though its more linear.
On main topic, Halo 1 is really dope. Pacing, gameplay, story and music, all fit into a snug solid 8-10 hour playthrough. Probably my favourite shooter ever.
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Post by: Yeldur on December 05, 2016, 04:47:17 pm
Oblivion. Easily one of my favourite games ever made, I remember playing that game for hours and hours and still never fully completing the game, that's why I loved it and found disappointment in Skyrim, while Oblivion had billions of quests to do that were sometimes simplistic and bland, that was what added to the enjoyment, Skyrim had a few quests that were well done, but it just didn't have the same feel that Oblivion did.
Whether Morrowind is better than Oblivion isn't something I can debate, as I haven't completed Morrowind and probably never will. Either way, in comparison of Oblivion and Skyrim, Oblivion easily takes the cake.
Baldur's gate as well, I remember going round a friends house almost every day just to play that game. One of the games that was a part of my childhood for sure.
Title: Re: Pay homage to good videogames
Post by: IR_Kuoin on December 05, 2016, 05:16:47 pm
I personally think that the way they changed Skyrims leveling and removed specific classes shaped my opinion off it, it sort of removed replay value for me. In Morrowind and Oblivion I've started a new game pretty much for every class there is regarding armor, weapons and magic etc. but in Skyrim by the end of the main story or after a little while you were a hybrid of every class in the previous games and you could use and do whatever related to them. I've probably got around 20 different new starting saves in Skyrim where I always reached the same point due to things being the same.
Title: Re: Pay homage to good videogames
Post by: Gravoth_iii on December 10, 2016, 06:08:46 am
Tekken 3 too good. Tekken 7 looking even better, best fighting game for sure.
Title: Re: Pay homage to good videogames
Post by: IR_Kuoin on December 11, 2016, 04:35:59 pm
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Post by: AwesomeHail on December 13, 2016, 08:52:35 am
Age of Empires 2, of course. best game after mount and blade
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Post by: Ikarus on December 13, 2016, 12:26:05 pm
was and always will be
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on December 13, 2016, 01:33:54 pm