If we lived in a alternative history, and the west still had not given women equal rights... and everything else was the same, with ISIS and mass immigration today, I wonder who this man would have blamed.If that was the case, ISIS and mass immigration would not be a problem, so no one.
If we lived in a alternative history, and the west still had not given women equal rights... and everything else was the same, with ISIS and mass immigration today, I wonder who this man would have blamed.
There would be noone or nothing to blame, because the borders would be closed and no immigrant at all would enter europe, because France, UK, Germany and so on would be led by Ultraconservatives. There wouldn't be as much left/green parties and people, and surely they wouldn't be in government/administration.
Forbidding equal rights to women, un-westernizing our countries, is not a solution to the problems we have. The west is not toothless, it simply has laws and democracy.
Who seriously think that an anti-western Caliphate will rise in a westernised country without anyone interfering? Feminine tendencies slightly favorising the emergence of enemies of the state or not, it will not happen without a fight. At best, we will adapt our society to assimilate, at worst there will be a clash of civilizations, and who would seriously bet on anything but the west?
I'm 100% with you here. But I am deeply afraid that many people will suffer, surely there will be blood, death and agony. And in the end, we will end with less freedom and democracy, especially with people from the "middle-left/right establishment" still in charge. We will lose alot of our freedom without extreme leftists or right wingers ever being in control of anything, and that is thanks to this man made "migrantcrisis".
Better go back to the 1600s before our civilization falls.
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I like the line of thought.
to protect "western" society and values we have to eradicate one of their key features.
that always makes me gringe.
All I want is some backbone, and honest respect for the western values our ancestor has fought and died for.
I'm talking about the right to vote specificallyHow do you jump from green to arange? is this completely out of context or are you comparing women with children?
Women should be able to vote at the Municipality and County level, but not the National level.
How do you protect you child/younger sibling in this situation: He/she is next to you and about to run out in the street in front of a truck? You have 0,5 seconds to do something.
1. Do you tell them softly to look out, and try to reason with them to not do it?
2. Do you yell something, which is a micro aggression and should be considered child abuse?
3. You wouldn't grab them and rob them of their freedom of movement would you?
That's not only a micro aggression, it will traumatize the kid and make him believe might makes right and that grabbing and holding someone like that can be done without an apparent reason.
4. Turn around and go home to play crpg not giving a shit.
Ultrakil this is for you listen to this youtube clip while reading this link (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/14/world/middleeast/isis-enshrines-a-theology-of-rape.html?_r=0)
Oh the retard Admerius is Swedish? what a surprise. Maybe if you're going to spout ignorant backwards opinions and play it off as a defence of "western civilization" you should come from a country that hasn't been irrelevant for the past hundreds of years of modern history.
I'm talking about the right to vote specifically
Maybe it doesn't have to be all voting rights.
For example:
We have three elections in Sweden:
Municipality
County
and National(Government)
Women should be able to vote at the Municipality and County level, but not the National level.
Here's a rough draft of the ideas I'm toying with.(click to show/hide)
-Cultural view of Abortion/contraception needs to be addressed. The childbirths are plummeting and all this free sexuality is all very nice and fun ...and just wonderful. However it will spell the end for the sexually liberated society, The sexually repressed baby machines doesn't won't be that eager to perpetuate this sexual-liberty view.
Examples on solution would be: Base contraception abortion prizes on income and age:
Example on age categories:
Free for 15-16 or younger.
Very low base prize up until 18th birthday.
Prize increases until age 25 then stabilizes
Women should be encouraged to sterilization after the age of 35.
How to finance it all: Taxation on all fertile individuals.
I guess all sane people left this forum long ago.
so what is left are morons and idiots each enjoying the stupidity of the other.
Is it me or are the politithreads in this forum getting more extreme over time?
Oh the retard Admerius is Swedish? what a surprise. Maybe if you're going to spout ignorant backwards opinions and play it off as a defence of "western civilization" you should come from a country that hasn't been irrelevant for the past hundreds of years of modern history.
How do you jump from green to arange? is this completely out of context or are you comparing women with children?
and how on earth do you jump from there to an article about rape under ISIS?
Do you know something about the ISIS? Women have no election right in the islamic state. So one of your key political ideas is closer to ISIS than to western values. congrats.
and your article about rape under ISIS.... you know that sexual abuse is much more common in countries where woman have a lower social status and less rights? I really don't think I would serve my imaginary daughter well if I give all men the right to rule over her(by voting) and she only has to endure whatever is coming.
Go show some balls and visit your mom. have a cup of coffee with her and tell her you think she should give up her right to vote.
and please let me know how that went.
Yes, but such things don't go alone, not outside the simplest of thought experiments concerning societal interaction. If someone in an academic setting said that let's take away the voting rights of group X, and that taking those voting rights away would not affect group X's position in society in any way, they'd be laughed right out of the room.
I guess that leaves them with something to do at least.
These are ideas to be sure, but you left out how each of these would actually result in a societal good or improve the current situation or are simply morally important. Only here:
You argued that: State power should be used to have our women breed more. And this would combat the Muslim threat. Unless I'm mistaken.
But the sterilization at 35 kinda fights against this. And the forced contraceptives for any woman in office.
And divorces should be difficult, because marriage is a commitment, except free divorces from women over 35?Yup, childbearing(with lowest risk of birthdefects) days frequently over by then.
What?
You can't expect the people lurking on a forum of a 6yo dead mod of a 8yo dying game to have sane minds. I'd advise you to get Tarkov, the community/forums are mostly quite cool and good natured as long as you don't speak about gun control, it's a good change from what I've seen on cRPG forums. The game looks promising and has a good starting community, definitely better than what one has got on cRPG nowadays.
I'm talking about the right to vote specifically
Final note on this: I didn't write sterilization, as in coerced chocolate chip cookie-style eugenics, I wrote it should be encouraged.
35+ is set arbitrarily it could be 40+
The point is that child borne to mothers in their late 30's and later has increased risks of birth defects. These birth defects should be responsibility of the mother to pay for(maybe insurance companies will start selling Childhealth insurances) because it is most likely caused by the age of the mother.
Yup, childbearing(with lowest risk of birthdefects) days frequently over by then.
Societal status of women are already being infringed, and I'm talking about native(3+ generation of ancestors born here) Swedish women. The police implied that going outside is dangerous at night in a town in central Sweden and that women should stay in doors at night. That implies you should self-restrict freedom of association, movement and expression.
This is worse than being forced to stay at home, it is similar to having freedom of thought as long as you don't think about X and it is up to you to not think about X.
MABTW forums were glorious back in the day.
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True.This damn quoting system on this forum...
Okay, now we have an argument that reproduction should be dis-encouraged by women over 35-40, because of the increased risk of birth defects. And the mechanisms for this would be encouraged sterilization and free divorces from women of that age and that women should be held responsible for any birth defects.
The pivotal question is if birth defects are a big enough societal problem to make these changes that fundamentally alter the status of women in western society.
I don't find this to be a position easily defended.
As disheartening to hear the police say that may be, they most likely did not say it as a legal opinion, but as advice to keep people safe. They communicated risk. It would be quite another thing to codify those into law.
What?
I'm sure more women would accept a risk of something happening when they go outside (there's always some risk in every case) rather than be forced to stay at home.
I seriously have no idea what you are trying to get across with this freedom of thought example.
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Regarding the right to vote part:
It is impossible to argue for removing the vote for women. I must honestly admit that there is not any real persuasive arguments that will not be construed as woman hating, anti-liberty and/or regression to the 1800's.
The pro arguments:
-The differences(in general) between male/female social structures. One example:
Response from work colleagues when they learned I was ill once:
Male colleagues: They focused on helping me with the work tasks, and was primarily concerned with me being able to work.
Female colleagues: Focused the entire attention on making sure I felt well, the concern was much more towards the state of mind rather than the ability to perform.
In summary: I want an effective state, not a feel good state.
I want fairness, swift proportional retribution rather than a clean pacifistic conscience. <---The last point is more of a problem with the beta-male-leftist-white-knights.
The following documentary is a very good argument for: Kindness, swift and proportional retribution followed by instant forgiveness when and if it has been earned.
Richard Dawkins - "Nice Guys Finish First" - Documentary 1986
The freedom of thought analogy was meant to point out the risks that self-enforced restrictions on our liberties can easily get out of hand. It could escalate to victim blaming and soon thereafter laws will be put forward to enforce what the majority thinks is sensible.
It has already happened with restrictions on free speech/freedom of expression which has made those ideas and expressions to intellectual fetishes, which makes them attractive contrarian rebellious ideas/expressions, some of those adhering to them are just insecure persons that need something special to identify with to feel any sense of self-worth.
As I wrote I was a bit alarmist, and that is because of Swedish media covering up quite a lot.
This has made me lose my social liberal ideals in less than 6 months, I'm now a lot more aligned with the far right except for:
-Their archaic view on racial identity,
-Their overly vengeful attitude towards criminals,
-The notion that capitalism and a completely free market magically will respect the value of human life and well being.
You can't expect the people lurking on a forum of a 6yo dead mod of a 8yo dying game to have sane minds. I'd advise you to get Tarkov, the community/forums are mostly quite cool and good natured as long as you don't speak about gun control, it's a good change from what I've seen on cRPG forums. The game looks promising and has a good starting community, definitely better than what one has got on cRPG nowadays.
Also right-wing parties are on the rise in europe
I guess all sane people left this forum long ago.
so what is left are morons and idiots each enjoying the stupidity of the other.
Thinking of leaving too TBH, at least all the political threads :lol:
Also right-wing parties are on the rise in europeAnd that's a good thing according to you?
Idk for your countries guys, but in France, left wings are doing right wings politics. Right wings would just be a little more hardcore, extreme-right a tad more.