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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: EyeBeat on May 29, 2011, 11:27:10 am
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I see everyone on CRPG except for myself being apart of the crossbow fever that has not been balanced yet. ARE YOU LIKE ME? DO YOU REFUSE THE URGE TO GET EASY KILLS? BE LIKE ME AND REFUSE THE CROSSBOW FEVER!!!!
PS. chadz your game is perfectly balanced.
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Easy kills? Crossbow?
haha, what world do you live in?
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I dont use one and tbh its retarded that the devs didnt see that every1 would just loom the shit out of the normal xbow and the ranged spamfest of prepatch have returned i said so 3 days after the patch came out that they had to make the normal xbow 2 slots...
But trying to reason for sake of balance on this board is like giving out speed tickets in a formula 1 race and it doesnt help that some of the devs use em......
Anyways its just a part of cRPG that every1 carry a xbow as sidearm either get used to it or get one yourself :?
But yeah its funny they go trough so much trouble with 2 slot system and leave out the normal xbow and thx to that we now have 80 2h/pole/1h users per server shooting out there xbow before the match begins fun fun fun.....
Again u have to wait 2-3 min before goin into the actual combat because if u charge your left behind while your team mates stand behind with their xbow just like pre patch..
EDIT: In before lobbyist will flood the thread...
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Gaybows FTL!
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Sorry bro, I gotta keep up a trend. I started in archery briefly which was nerfed into the ground, later getting better once I'd moved to throwing. Pure throwing treated me well for a good long time until it was nerfed so hard that it's not even possible anymore. I haven't rerolled my main as an xbower yet. I'm still hanging onto throwing, but there is a external force drawing me to it.
Carry on the path. The nerf will follow... it whispers to me in a dark seductive echo.
What horrors await crossbows if I decide to retire again? I can only assume to one up throwing, they will be removed from the game entirely, all players using them will be banned, and we will bleed from our mouths upon trying to log in. After that I'll probably get on a horse, and chadz will show up at all of our doors to personally burn our houses down and rape us.
I'm thinking of throwing on plate and grabbing a two hander to see if it breaks the cycle, or if reality just implodes around cRPG.
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What horrors await crossbows if I decide to retire again? [...] chadz will show up at all of our doors to personally burn our houses down and rape us.
Please dont retire! I beg thou!
I am one of the xbow sidearm user and I must say there is not enough power/accuracy/reloading speed in a normal crossbow to seriously unbalance the game, even if EVERYONE were to use it.
I am using it mainly to wound pre-fight, or to let others teammates catch up to me while I shoot and reload.
I can understand that seeing a constant but minimal volley of xbow bolts from a large different number of build can seriously damage the brain of non-ranged people, but they have to know that shooting with a Crossbow with 0 WPF above a distance of 20 feet is more of a luck shot and possibly morale damage to the enemy than really scoring kills.
And if I was to add some WPF to crossbows proficiency, I will be weaker in my main weapon proficiency, 2H, which is the weapon that gets me 98% of my kills... the rest being HS luck shot, or finishing off a wounded opponent with a bolt in the crotch (coz you really cant one shot something above peasant level with a crossbow, I can say that to you).
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Please dont retire! I beg thou!
I am one of the xbow sidearm user and I must say there i use the xbow as and easy mode to score some easy kills and i love that i can use it with 0 wpf and still shoot people 10 meters away with a rictule as tight as a virgins vagina thats why EVERYONE use it.
I am using it mainly to wound pre-fight/killsteal, or to let teammates get gangbanged while I shoot and reload.
I can understand that seeing a constant but minimal volley of xbow bolts from a large different number of build can seriously damage the brain of non-ranged people, but they have to know that shooting with a Crossbow with 0 WPF above a distance of 20 feet is more of a luck shot and possibly morale damage to the enemy than really scoring kills.
And if I was to add some WPF to crossbows proficiency, I will be weaker in my main weapon proficiency, 2H, which is the weapon that gets me 98% of my kills... the rest being HS luck shot, or finishing off a wounded opponent with a bolt in the crotch (coz you really cant one shot something above peasant level with a crossbow, I can say that to you).
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Fixed that for you :lol:
Btw a reload time of 2 sec aint that big a deal and i still dont know why people keep thinking its okay to be able to use the xbow just because of that lmao...
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I may not put it exactly like that, but I have to agree. Crossbows are easy as pie, and I'm pretty terrible at anything but throwing. Maybe there's some crossover but I doubt it. I bought one to try it, and at 0 wpf with no related skills, I was shocked. It's such a constant strain to hit things with throwing. It is very very hard. As soon as I whipped out that regular crossbow, I nearly needed new pants seeing how tight the reticule was at 0 wpf. All my character has points in is powerthrow, throwing, and weapon master. I literally can't afford anything but throwing, yet I was getting headshots with that crossbow. All it really needs is for wpf to actually matter to be balanced, but I can feel the guillotine dangling over xbows already.
I can feel the pull. Only a few mil xp from 30-31 on my current build before I can retire again! Restrain me now and you might yet be spared! Where I go, I leave a maelstrom of nerf in my wake! Ye gods I dare not look back...
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Fixed that for you :lol:
Btw a reload time of 2 sec aint that big a deal and i still dont know why people keep thinking its okay to be able to use the xbow just because of that lmao...
I agree with everything you said (except that 2s reloading is only for the hunting xbow: with this you can perhaps kill a peasant in 3 bolts :rolleyes:), but I think the dev put the reticule THAT tight for a reason : reload time and minimal piercing damage for crossbows under 2 slots.
My bolts average use per game must be something like 2/3 bolts PER BATTLE ROUND ! Even if everyone used it as a sidearm in a 50 VS 50 battle it will result in 100 bolts used per team average.
Archers can use all their quiver even if they have 2/3 slots used for arrows if they arent killed rapidly (so something like 30 arrows per player per rounds).
You could argue that it is still possible to KS/wound, but the chance of that to happens is so near 0 (except at 10 meters like you said) that it isnt reasonable to whine about it.
And on the case of "letting teammates get gangbanged", it is a damage done to your own team, thus you cant really say xbows is making them win.
Yet I agree to the fact that some ranged people ( and not only xbow users ) are so cowardly that they prefer to TRY to not hit a teammate with their bow/xbow, instead of unsheating their melee weapon and really help. Xbowing in this case is even more stupid due to the fact that reloading it is so fucking slow that you could be in the melee before doing your second shot.
To conclude, I think nerfing the 0 WPF accuracy of the xbow would be "balanced" only if the damage is greatly buffed, or it will just become like throwing : an inefficient weapon for inexperienced player and/or lover of the style, or efficient only if you go PURE XBOW (which could seriously kick ass but will still have problems using more than 1 or 2 bolts stack per round).
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Dont make me fraps a video of me reloading a regular xbow if i remmeber correct its hardly more then 2-3 sec for it to reload. :rolleyes:
Everything would be fine if hybrid had to live with the hunting xbow or light xbow but they use loomed normal xbows with steel bolts and are able to use it just like people used the sniper xbow pre patch.
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who the fuck says lets buff the damg...
xbows do way to much damg for no trade off
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Bows were nerfed, so the amount of throwers increased. Throwing was beaten horribly and mercilessly to death, and now crossbows are showing an increase in use. People who want a viable ranged option will find one. Better start hosting more melee only servers.
What really surprises me is throwers complaining about other ranged weapons. Rallying to get other ranged weapons nerfed will not make yours better. It will just make all of them equally shit.
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more than 3 sec for it to reload. :rolleyes:
Thats more like it.
Thank you for being honest.
who the fuck says lets buff the damg...
Me, cant you read?
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xbows do way to much damg for no trade off
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i know... such a fail
you should ask them to fix it
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sooooo many offtopics :) who just jumped in to defend the freakin thing
My main doesn't use it , won't use it if it gets buffed to aimbot style nor if it gets balanced to use skill points and wpp in a way each other ranged weapon has to deal with.
Same with all other ranged stuff.
Someone said chadz mentioned in the beginning of crpg he intended this mod to be melee orientated. Seeing all this flying sh** all over the place and getting mostly killed by that and not a blade ... even as shield my old friend as myself ... well Fasader&chadz try again.
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Bows were nerfed, so the amount of throwers increased. Throwing was beaten horribly and mercilessly to death, and now crossbows are showing an increase in use. People who want a viable ranged option will find one. Better start hosting more melee only servers.
What really surprises me is throwers complaining about other ranged weapons. Rallying to get other ranged weapons nerfed will not make yours better. It will just make all of them equally shit.
You may have misunderstood me. I wasn't calling for xbow nerfs. Besides the wpf issue (wpf doesn't matter) xbows feel perfectly balanced to me. That is why I was comparing throwing to it. Throwing does not feel perfectly balanced. Throwing is infact now garbage. The most accurate throwing weapon at a reasonably high powerthrow level, with 140wpf is still much less accurate then a regular old crossbow with absolutely 0 wpf or any related skill. The damage in this situation is even comparable to upper mid range throwing (about 6 powerthrow with spears).
Again, I'm not saying "HEY STOP HATING THROWING, LOOK HOW OP CROSSBOWS ARE!" Please don't misunderstand. I'm saying "MY LORD JESUS WOULD YOU CHECK OUT HOW GOD AWFUL THROWING IS NOW." Just so the record is straight.
WPF in relation to ranged in general needs to be relooked at completely. It's a cross board problem that melee doesn't have to worry about.
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Without having read any recent suggestions (might already have been suggested);
Weapon upkeep should increase in ratio with your wpf for that type of weapon. So if you have 0 wpf, upkeep will increase radically.
Also the wpf should have a more radical effect for weapon usage, though with lesser effect as you get a high wpf (for example, lesser effect starting at 120 wpf). In other words, having 0 wpf should make that type or weapons pretty much useless. Maybe even have a certain point where wpf actually starts to increase the effectiveness of a certain weapon type, for example 60 wpf.
Didn't really give it much thought, but I think something like this would make sense.
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Anyways its just a part of cRPG that every1 carry a xbow as sidearm either get used to it or get one yourself :?
U mad bro? Carry a normal xbow just to carry one? paying 500gold each round for no use?
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I have just bought one to test out and its easy to get kills with it, I have no wpf in xbow so I think somethings gotta be done.
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Butan
I said 2-3 sec because it only takes 2 sec for you to be able to fire it again the last 1 sec of the reload animation is just for show if u start moveing after 2 sec you can fire again. :wink:
I have just bought one to test out and its easy to get kills with it, I have no wpf in xbow so I think somethings gotta be done.
Aye i agree touche the devs didnt make the normal xbow 2 slots like i suggested because i knew we would have pre patch settings just with the normal xbow instead of sniper.
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I know you weren't calling for a nerf, Cheap Shot, but I've seen other throwers doing so. I'd sure love it if all ranged classes could get along and see the bigger picture.
WPF in relation to ranged in general needs to be relooked at completely. It's a cross board problem that melee doesn't have to worry about.
Agreed.
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Without having read any recent suggestions (might already have been suggested);
Weapon upkeep should increase in ratio with your wpf for that type of weapon. So if you have 0 wpf, upkeep will increase radically.
Also the wpf should have a more radical effect for weapon usage, though with lesser effect as you get a high wpf (for example, lesser effect starting at 120 wpf). In other words, having 0 wpf should make that type or weapons pretty much useless. Maybe even have a certain point where wpf actually starts to increase the effectiveness of a certain weapon type, for example 60 wpf.
Didn't really give it much thought, but I think something like this would make sense.
I had that idea earlier, you thief.
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I have just bought one to test out and its easy to get kills with it, I have no wpf in xbow so I think somethings gotta be done.
Wrenaq u traitor! :lol:
Btw I wouldnt mind if normal Crossbow needed 2 slots, I would just take the hunting/light and keep doing some minor damage, but adding WPF prereq for the actual accuracy will just make xbows utterly useless if you're not pure range.
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My main toon admittedly uses an xbow, steel bolts, and poleaxe. But the Xbow and bolts only make an appearance in DTV as something to do if we decide to camp ruins. In other game modes I'm dedicated polearms.
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I had that idea earlier, you thief.
Now that you mention it, I recall Bald mentioning the upkeep idea in TS a few days ago. So that's how I got my upkeep idea. :lol:
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adding WPF prereq for the actual accuracy will just make xbows utterly useless if you're not pure range.
wpf prereq is terrible in general and shouldn't be used to "balance" ranged at all. It's ruined throwing completely, hybrid and especially dedicated. It doesn't do archers any favours as well I'm sure, but they can speak for themselves. If a less upkeep/greater accuracy curve per wpf point works out for xbowers, which it sounds like it might do the trick perfectly, consider swapping out the crippling wpf prereq's on throwing with it. It can't possibly make things worse.
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I have just bought one to test out and its easy to get kills with it, I have no wpf in xbow so I think somethings gotta be done.
I thought this was changed, that there were wpf requirements for the different xbows. If they arent in I think there should be. (something like 20,40,60,80 and 100 for the different xbows)
On the subject of xbows I dont think they are OP at all. I see a lot more people with bows than xbows. (somewhat 3-4 times as many) so not so many are using them. Also, people must remember that xbows can only be used as a sidearm. They reload too slow, so being a pure xbower is extremely difficult. Also xbows are currently the most expensive weapon type. (arbalest tying with flamberge on price) and considering xbows just can be used as sidearms and the player must have an other weapon (which is their primary weapon) in addition to the xbow. To be honest I think xbows are a bit too expensive and, if Wrenaq_Lars is correct the wpf requirements for different xbows are too low or non existant. If the requirements were set to 20,40,60,80 and 100 xbow wpf for the different xbows I think that should justify a 25% price reduction on all xbows. Also the Arbalest should get its damage reduced to about 76 or something. Imo 79 is too much. (atleast if prices are reduced by 25% or more)
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I sometimes pick one up, use it as a shotgun, drop it, pick my weapon back up.
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I actually sold my crossbow from my 2nd alt and retired before 31 to respec. Why would anyone do that you might ask. Well it was 2h / xbow hybrid. Stupid slot system ruined it totally. :evil: