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Title: Stay awake
Post by: Rico on January 19, 2016, 06:18:22 pm
Give your best recipes (and experiences) to sleep less and achieve more (long-term)
Exercise, meditate, (legal) highs, find the holy grail and chug it, whatever is helping you

other than getting sexually molested
i think i asked in the wrong forum
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on January 19, 2016, 06:21:32 pm
As a person who has severe insomnia,

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Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Malaclypse on January 19, 2016, 06:24:03 pm
I briefly experimented with polyphasic sleep for a few months when I wasn't working a paid job and was living off of savings. Nap for twenty minutes, six times a day, after training yourself to drop nearly immediately into REM. When you're first trying to break into it the experience of sleep deprivation- or more specifically, of dream deprivation- feels mildly psychedelic, like a low dose of LSD or psilocybin, but this is overcome with persistence. Probably the easiest to get into is the "everyman" sleep schedule, which is one 3.5 hour sleep and three .3 hour sleeps within a 24 hour period, as compared to what I adjusted to (the "Uberman"). Unfortunately, these alternative sleep schedules which allow for more awake time are more demanding of naps, so if you have a regular, hourly position instead of a freelance job (or no job) then they are difficult or impossible to maintain. Once I got into the swing of it I had a ton of free time, which I mostly spent reading or painting. I had to abandon it when I became a wage-slave again though.

http://www.polyphasicsociety.com/polyphasic-sleep/overviews/
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Leshma on January 19, 2016, 06:31:33 pm
Sleep is very important for ones health and well being. Why would you want to deprive yourself of it?
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Turkhammer on January 19, 2016, 06:34:24 pm
Quote from: Leshma on January 19, 2016, 06:31:33 pm
Sleep is very important for ones health and well being. Why would you want to deprive yourself of it?

This.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: pogosan on January 19, 2016, 06:40:34 pm
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Conquisitore on January 19, 2016, 06:41:48 pm
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on January 19, 2016, 06:50:39 pm
It has been years, probably at least a decade since I last had restful and sound sleep. I really find it difficult to grasp the willingness to cut down on it. Hell if I could, I would be alright with sleeping like a log 12 hours straight a day.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Jona on January 19, 2016, 06:56:57 pm
Quote from: Daunt_Flockula on January 19, 2016, 06:50:39 pm
It has been years, probably at least a decade since I last had restful and sound sleep.

This. Even every now and again when I let myself sleep in on a weekend, sometimes close to 12hrs, I still wake up feeling like a got no sleep at all. There's no escape from the insomnia.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 19, 2016, 06:59:15 pm
Sleeping wastes a lot of time, sometimes it doesnt even satisfy me anyways, trying to cut down on it a bit now. I'll stay awake for like a day then sleep 3 hours, then stay awake untill night time and sleep for a decent chunk. Only been doign it recently in order to fix my sleep schedule really, but it feelsgoodman, something about being awake for a longer time i just pleasant to me, its so rare that i go to bed actually tired, but only because time tells me to.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Falka on January 19, 2016, 07:04:00 pm
Quote from: Rico on January 19, 2016, 06:18:22 pm
Give your best recipes (and experiences) to sleep less

Go to bed late and wake up early?
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Paul on January 19, 2016, 07:14:08 pm
Be older than twelve?!
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Oberyn on January 19, 2016, 07:15:53 pm
Have a deadline and a bunch of work. Crunch time.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Christo on January 19, 2016, 08:26:02 pm
I could only sleep for 4 hours today and wasted 3 hours in bed trying to sleep after.
Fuck this thread.  :lol:
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Panos_ on January 19, 2016, 09:08:38 pm
You want a trick to stay awake at night?

Just think, every time I start thinking about life, past mistakes, regrets, family, women and other stuff, I fail to sleep, and I just want to shoot myself.

But then I put on some Metal, and I ease my sufferings.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Asheram on January 19, 2016, 09:11:04 pm
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Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Casul on January 19, 2016, 09:14:29 pm
I prefere power naps on the afternoon, around 3-5 hours.
 I wake up myself after around 4 hours and stay awake until next day the same time as the day before, then again power nap, you wont make it any longer anyway.
Then repeating, it works for me. 4h sleep on afternoon, 20h awake.
And yes, it will indeed kill you after weeks
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Ikarus on January 19, 2016, 10:06:13 pm
Hm, you can´t really "sleep less" on a long run, since you always need a specific amount of sleep. But you can try sleeping more efficiently.

Find out how many hours you need on a long term (f.e. I need at least 6 hours to be somewhat good to go and 8 hours to be completely refreshed. This of course varies depending on how much sleep you got the day before and physical strain). This number might slightly decrease when you get older.

Get to bed before midnight, that´s the phase where you get most of the energy (although even I barely manage to do that. Well, at least I keep it in mind).

And if you occasionally get sleepy in the afternoon (and you have the time to get about 30 to 60 mins of sleep), do it, you´ll do your body a favour. Just try to not sleep 2+ hours in the afternoon, cause then you could get troubles falling asleep in the evening...

Sleeping is good m´kay
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Torben on January 19, 2016, 10:44:17 pm
helps quite a lot to wake up at the right time. If your alarm sets off during an REM phase,  you feel fucked like a catholic chorister.

so you might want to try a sleep phase alarm clock, which wakes you by slowly increasing light intensity, or an app that does the same,  analyzing your breathing rhythms to know when to set off the alarm.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Teeth on January 19, 2016, 11:23:48 pm
I have been back into my piss rhythm for the past few days, which makes me need to pee after like 6 hours of sleep. The timing of awaking naturally because I have to pee is usually spot on with a light sleep phase, so I wake up breezy and awake and ready to roll for 17-18 hours. At least that is what I have theorized to explain waking up so nicely each day.

Before that I was fucked up for a few weeks. I had real trouble getting out of bed or even waking up. I would often fall asleep pretty much directly after turning off alarms, until I had 4 of them that got progressively more obtrusive. I felt like I could sleep 10-12 hours every night, because in the morning I would always feel like I just ran a marathon and sleep was the most amazing thing ever. Felt pretty amazing if I had time for it, but it wasted way too much time.

Anyone has any experience with trying to set alarms like 1,5-2 hours before you have to get up, so that you restart your sleep phase and sync up light sleep with having to get up? I have done this for a year now, but the "feeling dead tired" phase convinced me that it probably does not really work and I dropped it. Perhaps I am just getting the numbers wrong.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on January 19, 2016, 11:33:29 pm
I simply hurl myself out of bed as soon as I hear the dreadful alarm (actually the Bard's Song isn't dreadful, but having to get up upon hearing it is). No matter how fucked I feel, I do that. Because I know that I need at least 4-5 more hours to get up slightly energized. Postponing by minutes doesn't do any good.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Jona on January 20, 2016, 01:02:17 am
Quote from: Daunt_Flockula on January 19, 2016, 11:33:29 pm
I simply hurl myself out of bed as soon as I hear the dreadful alarm (actually the Bard's Song isn't dreadful, but having to get up upon hearing it is).

I made the same mistake of setting my alarm ringtone to a great song. Now whenever I hear it even at other times of the day I'm filled with a brief spasm of anxiety since I associate it the dreadful feeling of having to drag myself out of bed.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: BlackxBird on January 20, 2016, 01:05:26 am
When I try to take a nap in the afternoon I wake up 5 hours later. Im allways totally fucked then, cant really open my eyes, my body feels like I just did a marathon and my mind is totally blown.. Most of the time then I have no idea whats going on lol. My sister once came in my room at 9 pm and asked me if she should turn off the light - I asked what time it is - she replied it is 9 - I asked seriously if it is pm or am :O

Those naps are the worst thing I can do to fuck up a day xD normally I sleep 4 hours under the week and then friday I dont go out, I go to bed at midnight and sleep about 10-16 hours, then Im fresh again. And it is starting again. Its actually working out for me pretty good.

Edit: lel just saw that marathon thing in teeths post :3 weird


@teeth: Im doing it like this: I have one for 6 AM. that one is just for getting outta the deep sleep. Next one is at 6:30. its the one i should actually stand up with. 6:45 is the one I need either for reminding me what time it is or if I actually fell asleep again to wake me up again. at 7:00 is the last one. then I gotta start picking my shit up then and get ready for driving to school.

And if u need something that makes u stand up in the morning, take a hot shower for about 15 minutes directly after standing up. Im just sitting there then for some minutes and making mentally ready for the day
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Xesta on January 20, 2016, 01:09:17 am
That feel when you have to sleep at least 10 hr a day or you're not even able to leave the bed...

Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on January 20, 2016, 01:29:35 am
Quote from: Jona on January 20, 2016, 01:02:17 am
I made the same mistake of setting my alarm ringtone to a great song. Now whenever I hear it even at other times of the day I'm filled with a brief spasm of anxiety since I associate it the dreadful feeling of having to drag myself out of bed.

I haven't worked at a restaurant in years but I still wake up in the middle of the night because my brain pretends to hear a ticket printer going off.

Also sometimes I have this dream that it's dinner rush and one of the sauces broke and I wake up still thinking "ah fuck I need to go start some alfredo but I'm already 4 tickets behind grill and I uh oh it's 3AM fuck you brain."
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Christo on January 20, 2016, 01:30:37 am
Night shifts also do that to your brain. It sucks.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 20, 2016, 03:15:23 am
Quote from: Jona on January 20, 2016, 01:02:17 am
I made the same mistake of setting my alarm ringtone to a great song. Now whenever I hear it even at other times of the day I'm filled with a brief spasm of anxiety since I associate it the dreadful feeling of having to drag myself out of bed.

I have some default cellphone song as alarm, but i am very keen to hearing similar sounds in other things, so on occasions i will hear just the slightest similarity of it somewhere and instantly be hit with the same feeling. Fuck alarms man, maybe switching regularly is key.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Overdriven on January 20, 2016, 01:36:10 pm
Quote from: Torben on January 19, 2016, 10:44:17 pm
helps quite a lot to wake up at the right time. If your alarm sets off during an REM phase,  you feel fucked like a catholic chorister.

so you might want to try a sleep phase alarm clock, which wakes you by slowly increasing light intensity, or an app that does the same,  analyzing your breathing rhythms to know when to set off the alarm.

I've been reading about this recently. There are now devices which supposedly monitor your REM patterns and wake you up close to your alarm time but out of REM. Supposed to make you feel much more awake when you do wake up.

I used to be able to hear my alarm and be up and out of bed in seconds. Now that snooze button is all so tempting, I usually hit it 3-4 times before getting up.

Classic mistake is waking up naturally feeling refreshed, seeing you have an hour left before you actually get up, going back to sleep and then getting woken up by your alarm feeling totally fucked.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Renay on January 20, 2016, 01:40:43 pm
Cocaine!
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Vibe on January 20, 2016, 01:41:21 pm
The worst part about sleeping is trying to fucking fall asleep in bed for like 2 hours then waking up in the early morning devastated because you didn't get enough sleep. wtf is this
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Panos_ on January 20, 2016, 01:59:17 pm
Quote from: Vibe on January 20, 2016, 01:41:21 pm
The worst part about sleeping is trying to fucking fall asleep in bed for like 2 hours then waking up in the early morning devastated because you didn't get enough sleep. wtf is this

or when  you are sleepy while working, but when you go to bed you cant sleep because of the tiredness
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Leshma on January 20, 2016, 02:08:31 pm
Nothing wrong with sleeping, it's our society that's fucked up. Late night television and movies, playing games all night. Going out to club to drink and party (considering latest generations, this activity is on decline). All that shit needs to be banned, people turned off at 22:00 and they'll wake up fresh as a rose in the early morning ready for work.

It's fucking conspiracy I tell you. All of that shit. Culture of night walkers, third shifts, eating garbage food, supermarkets full of products that are 50% white sugar and rest are additives that give you cancer. Seriously contemplating to move in the mountains, find a nice village girl that will take care of me while I'll do my work from home and live happily with our healthy children in the nature, as God meant it to be.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Vibe on January 20, 2016, 02:28:51 pm
Quote from: Leshma on January 20, 2016, 02:08:31 pm
It's fucking conspiracy I tell you. All of that shit. Culture of night walkers, third shifts, eating garbage food, supermarkets full of products that are 50% white sugar and rest are additives that give you cancer. Seriously contemplating to move in the mountains, find a nice village girl that will take care of me while I'll do my work from home and live happily with our healthy children in the nature, as God meant it to be.

And then die to a disease within a year because no medicine or doctors.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 20, 2016, 03:56:27 pm
Quote from: Leshma on January 20, 2016, 02:08:31 pm
Nothing wrong with sleeping, it's our society that's fucked up. Late night television and movies, playing games all night. Going out to club to drink and party (considering latest generations, this activity is on decline). All that shit needs to be banned, people turned off at 22:00 and they'll wake up fresh as a rose in the early morning ready for work.

It's fucking conspiracy I tell you. All of that shit. Culture of night walkers, third shifts, eating garbage food, supermarkets full of products that are 50% white sugar and rest are additives that give you cancer. Seriously contemplating to move in the mountains, find a nice village girl that will take care of me while I'll do my work from home and live happily with our healthy children in the nature, as God meant it to be.

Cant... tell.. if serious.. or ... donkey..
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Algarn on January 20, 2016, 04:08:02 pm
Good to know I'm not the only one who feels tired when I don't get my 9ish hours of sleep from 3/4 am to around 12/14. Holidays fuck your rythme of life quite bad.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Porthos on January 20, 2016, 05:02:32 pm
The chronic sleep deprivation and then a momentary massive lack of sleep (I was unable to sleep for 48+ hours straight), combined with my personal problems at that particular time, led me to the mental hospital at one point. So, I would not recommend. And, as Leshy said, if you can develop the habit of going to bed 22:00 (or earlier) you'll feel fine and fresh (and actually sleep less). I used to be a "night owl" since the early age, but lately I go to bed earlier and feel myself much better.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Overdriven on January 20, 2016, 06:18:20 pm
Depends when your wake time is though. I don't get up till 8am (start work at 9am) so typically I'm in bed around midnight. Doesn't take me too long to get to sleep as well. Unless I fall into the trap of reading a good book and inevitably staying awake until 3am.

Most of the time that's plenty of sleep.

The thing that really pisses me off though is enjoying being able to stay up late on a Friday and Saturday night, then waking up at normal 8am time wide awake but absolutely exhausted and unable to go back to sleep. Half the time I get more sleep on week days than I do weekends because of this.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Hellsing on January 20, 2016, 07:15:20 pm
Just recognized what my original text has inside and that maybe officers around this place somehow lolz.
So deleted it and made it short:

First off, in long term you wont achive nothing than failure.
In short way less sleep can be an effictive methode to learn for example for an test the next 3 days.. But after you gone to bed you will loose like 80% of the stuff you learned hardly.

Without sleep you end up with emptyness and sickness of yourself and everything around you.
There is no more help at this point or at least I dont know it.

You will defnetly destroy your social you,
you will destroy your empathy feelings,
you wont be able to think out of the sight of an different person,
you get rude and no more patient with words and so on and so on..

So yeah fuck it dude go to bed and sleep long.
Rest often, rest in peace, life is a long game no need to rush shit.

Smoke weed bro, eat sleeping pills, drink tea, read a good book in the evening instead of watching tv which makes you awake and go into the bed and rest.
Regenarate for the next day.

greetz.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on January 20, 2016, 07:24:06 pm
Quote from: Vibe on January 20, 2016, 01:41:21 pm
The worst part about sleeping is trying to fucking fall asleep in bed for like 2 hours then waking up in the early morning devastated because you didn't get enough sleep.

wtf is this

the human condition
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Falka on January 20, 2016, 07:32:00 pm
Weaklings...
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Hellsing on January 20, 2016, 07:39:31 pm
Quote from: Falka on January 20, 2016, 07:32:00 pm
Weaklings...
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Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Kafein on January 20, 2016, 07:47:14 pm
7 day night cycle: 4h on week days, 30h during the weekend.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Falka on January 20, 2016, 08:24:04 pm
Quote from: BlackxBird on January 20, 2016, 01:05:26 am
@teeth: Im doing it like this: I have one for 6 AM. that one is just for getting outta the deep sleep. Next one is at 6:30. its the one i should actually stand up with. 6:45 is the one I need either for reminding me what time it is or if I actually fell asleep again to wake me up again. at 7:00 is the last one.

That's silly. One hour of possible sleep wasted for hitting the snooze.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Xant on January 20, 2016, 08:32:40 pm
Melatonin, sufficiently adjusted to your personal needs (timed/not-timed/combo, dosage, time of taking) will fix almost all sleep problems.

But:
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Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Falka on January 20, 2016, 08:41:24 pm
He was drunkard and bum, doing manual labour, so no wonder he didn't enjoy it.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Xant on January 20, 2016, 08:59:30 pm
Quote from: Falka on January 20, 2016, 08:41:24 pm
He was drunkard and bum, doing manual labour, so no wonder he didn't enjoy it.
Yes, it's no wonder, because it's unnatural and gay, wasting your life to make someone else richer.

http://www.gwern.net/Melatonin
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Falka on January 20, 2016, 10:28:09 pm
As a postman, whom he made richer? His bosses? I work in public sector as well and to be honest I fail to see who becomes richer thanks to me  :wink:

Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Leshma on January 21, 2016, 12:06:56 am
Quote from: Falka on January 20, 2016, 08:41:24 pm
He was drunkard and bum, doing manual labour, so no wonder he didn't enjoy it.

He is right about one thing. Smart people aren't those who do their work in most efficient way, but those who have the ability to make others do that for them. The more people you can persuade to work for you, the smarter you are. Especially if they are very skilled and smart individuals themselves. That makes it even better. Imagine being PhD professor and having someone young and mentally sound like Kafein doing all the dirty work for you. Isn't that the best thing ever?
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on January 21, 2016, 02:50:36 am
Quote from: Xant on January 20, 2016, 08:32:40 pm
Melatonin, sufficiently adjusted to your personal needs (timed/not-timed/combo, dosage, time of taking) will fix almost all sleep problems.

Melatonin is great for short term adjustment of your sleep schedule. If you have jet lag or quit your night shift job and need to shift your sleep hours forward or backward it WILL make you sleep for 8~ish hours and be rested. Just actually go to bed when you take it and you're golden.

My insomnia is so bad that I will stay awake for 2-3 days unless medicated or exhausted from work + exercise. Once you get to 3 days or more without sleep you turn into a crazy person. You don't hallucinate, you are delusional. You will see things that aren't there and they won't seem crazy like demons and dragons and shit. You will see real things, they will appear 100% real and normal and then you realize your brain is fucking with you. I boiled a pot of water to make ramen and after like 10 minutes I looked at the pot again and realized that there was never any water in there to begin with.

Smoking "phantom cigarettes" is really common if you're a smoker and reach the delusional point of insomnia. You see the cigarette in your hand. You take a drag. Everyone nearby watches you pantomime the act of smoking with an empty hand. My brother has severe insomnia too and smokes. I caught him doing this a couple times when he was without sleep for days.

Sleep is a fucky thing. You'd think after millions of years nature would have figured it out.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Falka on January 21, 2016, 09:34:20 am
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on January 21, 2016, 02:50:36 am
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When you have insomnia, you're never really asleep... and you're never really awake.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Golem on January 21, 2016, 10:13:11 am
for insomnia
WALK
GET TIRED
EAT
SLEEP
WAKE UP
EAT
REPEAT
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on January 21, 2016, 11:52:23 am
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"Improve your sleep"

The right one is a sleep specialist, you should definitely follow her advices.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: AwesomeHail on January 21, 2016, 03:37:54 pm
Quote from: pogosan on January 19, 2016, 06:40:34 pm
1. Pretend to have ADHD
2. Get Ritalin
3. Keep taking pills until you die after days being awake

Concerta is better for that kinda thing. You can get em off ADHD kiddos who refuse to use them and still get tons of them for free by healthcare, it's not so good for you though but works like a charm on people who don't have ADHD. After taking one/two you will probably not sleep for some hours, depending on your physical and mental state.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Kafein on January 21, 2016, 04:32:02 pm
Quote from: ecorcheur_brokar on January 21, 2016, 11:52:23 am
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"Improve your sleep"

The right one is a sleep specialist, you should definitely follow her advices.

LMAO that's too good.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Leshma on January 21, 2016, 05:54:29 pm
Kafein posting in stay awake thread :lol:
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Kafein on January 21, 2016, 06:17:46 pm
Somehow, drinking alcohol correlates more with staying awake than drinking coffee. Think about it.
Title: Re: Stay awake
Post by: Hellsing on January 21, 2016, 06:36:02 pm
Totaly agree.
You could sleep easily drunk but when your drunk, you don't want to sleep :lol: