The proclamation has been widely praised as a succinct articulation of what has been repeated for years: jihadists don’t represent Islam. But observers say that the sentiment has never before been expressed in a manner at once so raw and so quintessentially British.
British Prime Minister David Cameron praised — and repeated — the remark Monday at a news conference.
“Let me also pay credit to the person – you can’t quite see who it is from that film – who made that brilliant statement about, er, ‘you ain’t no Muslim,'” Cameron said.
“Some of us have dedicated speeches and media appearances and soundbites and everything to this subject. But ‘you ain’t no Muslim bruv’ said it all much better than I ever could. Thank you because that will be applauded around the country.”
In the aftermath, #YouAintNoMuslimBruv began trending on social media, becoming a rallying cry against growing Islamophobia after the Islamic State’s recent attack on Paris and last week’s mass shooting in San Bernardino, Calif.
The phrase also caused Londoners to swell with pride for their city — the same place where Islamist extremists detonated suicide bombs that killed 52 people in 2005. Those attacks, which were the deadliest terrorist incident the United Kingdom had seen in almost two decades, also occurred in London’s subway system, but few pointed out the parallel over the weekend.
Obviously islamic inspired terrorism has nothing to do with islam, That's impossible! Like everything in life, islam is either all good or all bad, life is so simple when everything is in black and white so lets just focus on peaceful muslims and ignore islamic terrorism as having something to do with islam.
Pepe would be proud.
PS: "Aint no" is a double negative... "Aint no muslim, bruv" is pretty much same thing as saying "You are not, not a muslim, bro.". Kind of shows the education level of these "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" hippies.
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Post by: WarLord on December 07, 2015, 07:10:31 pm
Islam, the only thing on earth that has nothing to do with itself. :lol:
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Post by: Grytviken on December 07, 2015, 07:13:37 pm
90% opinionated blogging and journalism. Cameron goes on twitter like a 14 year old girl to post hashtags for social justice.
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Post by: Asheram on December 07, 2015, 09:11:16 pm
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Post by: Thryn on December 07, 2015, 09:32:27 pm
Obviously islamic inspired terrorism has nothing to do with islam, That's impossible! Like everything in life, islam is either all good or all bad, life is so simple when everything is in black and white so lets just focus on peaceful muslims and ignore islamic terrorism as having something to do with islam.
Pepe would be proud.
PS: "Aint no" is a double negative... "Aint no muslim, bruv" is pretty much same thing as saying "You are not, not a muslim, bro.". Kind of shows the education level of these "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" hippies.
You can't just delete religions. You have to encourage them to modernise or educate people with science. The catholics of today are nothing compared to the catholics of 100 or 200 years ago. They had to move with the times. Same thing will happen with Muslims. Doesn't help anyone to make them an "enemy", you have to fight perceptions such as by having "good" and "bad" muslims. "Aint no muslim bruv" is a perfect soundbite towards that end.
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Post by: Grytviken on December 07, 2015, 11:01:39 pm
The progressive euro-liberals will never criticize Islam though. They are more offended by Cameron's lack of support for gender fluid nouns, like who's to say the terrorist was a bruv anyways?
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Post by: Asheram on December 07, 2015, 11:09:03 pm
You can't just delete religions. You have to encourage them to modernise or educate people with science. The catholics of today are nothing compared to the catholics of 100 or 200 years ago. They had to move with the times. Same thing will happen with Muslims. Doesn't help anyone to make them an "enemy", you have to fight perceptions such as by having "good" and "bad" muslims. "Aint no muslim bruv" is a perfect soundbite towards that end.
Do you really think that will ever happen? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/20/saudi-court-sentences-poet-to-death-for-renouncing-islam
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Post by: Grumbs on December 07, 2015, 11:32:03 pm
Have a look at the history of Christianity. It could be a hard line Christian state and be just as messed up. Their effigy is literally a guy getting tortured on a cross. The difference is the west is further ahead with education, economy, stability, democracy etc. As we move forward the world will get less and less compatible with religions. Might not happen at the same pace as the west, but it will happen eventually
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Post by: Asheram on December 08, 2015, 12:01:21 am
When was the last time a hard-line christian state execute those in it that wanted out of it?
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Post by: Grytviken on December 08, 2015, 12:07:07 am
When was the last time a hard-line christian state execute those in it that wanted out of it?
400 years ago
Title: Re: "You aint no muslim, bruv"
Post by: Leshma on December 08, 2015, 12:07:56 am
We live in time when everything is subjected to scrutiny and where tolerance is valued above anything. Issue we have is mainly due certain groups of people with influence misunderstanding idea of tolerance. Everybody in western countries shits on Christianity, regularly. According to modern Gods of tolerant thought, treating peoples idea like that is wrong. But not when it comes to belief of majority, it is fine to make fun of them. And I fully agree with that (making fun of ideas and beliefs). Minorities on the other hand are protected because that is seen as majority bullying them and their ideas. Now there lies a problem. Muslim minority in western states is protected and they are allowed many things majority isn't. Islam spread like fire because people perceive their ideas as strong and worthy, mainly because they aren't suppressed like Christian religion.
Only solution I see is states going full secular on beliefs that are practices by minorities, in a same fashion they treat religious belief of majority. Treat them equally, is that so hard to do? That means parts of Islam that interfere with pillars of secular state, like Sharia law must be banned and purged from society. Any country that allows Sharia law as exemption for minority of their citizens is basically shitting on itself.
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Post by: Overdriven on December 08, 2015, 12:08:16 am
PS: "Aint no" is a double negative... "Aint no muslim, bruv" is pretty much same thing as saying "You are not, not a muslim, bro.". Kind of shows the education level of these "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" hippies.
Not really anything to do with being 'hippy' or even education. That's just how a lot of people who have grown up in inner city areas speak. Everyone knows what he means so picking on the language used is pointless.
Alas not everyone grows up in the home counties.
Title: Re: "You aint no muslim, bruv"
Post by: Grumbs on December 08, 2015, 12:14:47 am
Look up Central African Republic (I just did a simple google search to have a look, first thing that came up). Or look at christian terrorism.
The CAR is not a hardline Christian state. Muslim rebels tried to overthrow the democratic government and install an Islamic government. If you try to overthrow a democratic government to setup an Islamic government in a Christian majority nation, you're probably going to get killed by Christians.
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Post by: Sir_Hans on December 08, 2015, 01:16:04 am
Look up Central African Republic (I just did a simple google search to have a look, first thing that came up). Or look at christian terrorism.
A simple google search isn't really telling me how long ago those "hardline Christians" executed a citizen because they renounced their brand of Christendom. The article I linked happened 3 weeks ago. Someone has thrown out a 1945 year, so 70 years ago? So we have to wait 70 years for them to catch up now?
edit: so they are like the mob once your in there's now way out but through death or the witness protection program. 2nd edit: plus muslims have been around as long or a little longer than Israelis, through Ishmael born to Abraham thru his servant Hagar and a whole lot longer than Christianity. You would think they would've had enough time to pull their heads out of their asses but no they still throw acid in their daughters faces if they think they shamed them.
Title: Re: "You aint no muslim, bruv"
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on December 08, 2015, 02:55:50 am
PS: "Aint no" is a double negative... "Aint no muslim, bruv" is pretty much same thing as saying "You are not, not a muslim, bro.". Kind of shows the education level of these "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" hippies.
double negatives are commonly spread in a number of languages or dialect since thousands of years and has nothing to do with education or intelligence you dumbfuck.
Title: Re: "You aint no muslim, bruv"
Post by: Turkhammer on December 08, 2015, 05:04:47 am
double negatives are commonly spread in a number of languages or dialect since thousands of years and has nothing to do with education or intelligence you dumbfuck.
Not in English, which is what he was purporting to speak.
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Post by: darmaster on December 08, 2015, 05:07:58 am
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Post by: Jambi on December 08, 2015, 06:31:47 am
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Post by: Sir_Hans on December 08, 2015, 08:05:35 am
lol gross
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Post by: Paul on December 08, 2015, 08:29:50 am
There has been a harsh polarisation going on in this forum because of recent events. Sides have been forming and every side needs its village idiot for comic relief. One has pepe because of the language barrier and grade school teacher tier naivity. The other has hans.
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Post by: Vibe on December 08, 2015, 09:33:18 am
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Post by: Molly on December 08, 2015, 09:50:51 am
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Title: Re: "You aint no muslim, bruv"
Post by: Sir_Hans on December 08, 2015, 10:49:39 am
There has been a harsh polarisation going on in this forum because of recent events. Sides have been forming and every side needs its village idiot for comic relief. One has pepe because of the language barrier and grade school teacher tier naivity. The other has hans.
Don't misinterpret me, I don't think we should kill all muslims... But I also don't think we should love and respect all muslims either. Infact I pretty much think this same way about any group or category of people on the planet.
I think it was dumb that someone yelled "you aint no muslim bruv" at the guy who was violent, as if him being violent proved that he couldn't possibly be a genuine muslim. There are plenty of violent muslims out there and yes, there are also plenty of non-violent ones too... But trying to pretend that Islam has nothing to do with islamic terrorism is just not helpful.
I'm glad we both value these threads/forums for their comic relief though. :D
Title: Re: "You aint no muslim, bruv"
Post by: Paul on December 08, 2015, 11:47:21 am
If some Christian fundamentalist bombs an abortian clinic and kills a couple of people in the process, then most of us would agree that yelling "You ain't no Christian, mate." would be appropriate. Blowing people to bits contradicts our perception of Christian values. Although Islam is undoubtly based on the shenanigans of some bloody handed sand people warlord instead of a hippie party trick sect leader, many "1moderate" moslems perceive their religion in a similar way. Murder is wrong, live peaceful together with people of other beliefs, try to show that the own religion is best through doing good stuff and making others like you - Lessing's Ring Parable style. I have a Moslem co-worker like that.
That's why they say "You ain't no Muslim.". Because stabbing people contradicts their interpretation of their religion. No matter how historically or theologically sound (Xant and Oberyn are the experts on this) this amateurish interpretation is, I do like it a lot better than if he'd had shouted "You did good, brah. Aim for the kidneys next time tho.".
1 if they exist
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Post by: Butan on December 08, 2015, 01:27:48 pm
I think it was dumb that someone yelled "you aint no muslim bruv" at the guy who was violent, as if him being violent proved that he couldn't possibly be a genuine muslim.
Like Paul said, its very human to disprove people that commited grievous acts, especially when they belong to the same group(s) as you do. For example, when a random guy goes on a murdering rampage, people will describe him as a "monster", not anymore as a human, even though he clearly is.
The guy who stabbed people is a muslim, but what he did is not acceptable for other muslims, which will now stop considering him as one.
Not in English, which is what he was purporting to speak.
My guess is that it has to do with the "any" vs "no", where one is a double negative, while the other one serves as the second part of the first negative (like "pas" in French iirc).
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Post by: Molly on December 08, 2015, 07:41:42 pm
You're wrong cuz Turkhammer knows best. Everything. All the time. Always. Forever.
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Post by: Sir_Hans on December 08, 2015, 07:53:41 pm
If some Christian fundamentalist bombs an abortian clinic and kills a couple of people in the process, then most of us would agree that yelling "You ain't no Christian, mate." would be appropriate. Blowing people to bits contradicts our perception of Christian values. Although Islam is undoubtly based on the shenanigans of some bloody handed sand people warlord instead of a hippie party trick sect leader, many "1moderate" moslems perceive their religion in a similar way. Murder is wrong, live peaceful together with people of other beliefs, try to show that the own religion is best through doing good stuff and making others like you - Lessing's Ring Parable style. I have a Moslem co-worker like that.
That's why they say "You ain't no Muslim.". Because stabbing people contradicts their interpretation of their religion. No matter how historically or theologically sound (Xant and Oberyn are the experts on this) this amateurish interpretation is, I do like it a lot better than if he'd had shouted "You did good, brah. Aim for the kidneys next time tho.". 1 if they exist
The whole notion of "if you don't follow my interpretation of the religion then that invalidates your beliefs" is a ridiculous concept to me... It's probably the same rhetoric being used by ISIS when they murder another muslim. It's an equally ridiculous concept for Christianity or any other religion.
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Post by: Turkhammer on December 08, 2015, 07:58:33 pm
You're wrong cuz Turkhammer knows best. Everything. All the time. Always. Forever.
Oh, somebody is butt hurt. Pull that stick out of your ass.
Correct English does not use the double negative. Colloquial English or English using "poetic license" does of course. The latter is what the Rolling Stones' lyrics use.
The comment "You ain't no Muslim bruv" clearly means "You aren't a Muslim even though it is not proper English.
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Post by: Butan on December 08, 2015, 08:03:31 pm
The whole notion of "if you don't follow my interpretation of the religion then that invalidates your beliefs" is a ridiculous concept to me... It's probably the same rhetoric being used by ISIS when they murder another muslim. It's an equally ridiculous concept for Christianity or any other religion.
Its not a religious occurence, see my post above please.
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Post by: Tibe on December 08, 2015, 08:18:19 pm
Its really isnt only religious. It can be national, racial and even cultural. Any form of unification really can be abused by an aggressive leader to turn others under him also aggressive against another unified group. Im pretty sure even if there one day only exsisted one race, nation and culture, we'd still end up murdering people with different eye-or haircolor.
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Post by: Kafein on December 08, 2015, 08:47:30 pm
If some Christian fundamentalist bombs an abortian clinic and kills a couple of people in the process, then most of us would agree that yelling "You ain't no Christian, mate." would be appropriate. Blowing people to bits contradicts our perception of Christian values. Although Islam is undoubtly based on the shenanigans of some bloody handed sand people warlord instead of a hippie party trick sect leader, many "1moderate" moslems perceive their religion in a similar way. Murder is wrong, live peaceful together with people of other beliefs, try to show that the own religion is best through doing good stuff and making others like you - Lessing's Ring Parable style. I have a Moslem co-worker like that.
That's why they say "You ain't no Muslim.". Because stabbing people contradicts their interpretation of their religion. No matter how historically or theologically sound (Xant and Oberyn are the experts on this) this amateurish interpretation is, I do like it a lot better than if he'd had shouted "You did good, brah. Aim for the kidneys next time tho.".
1 if they exist
If Muslim = peaceful person then there are Muslim Christians and Muslim atheists. The word itself serves no purpose under that definition.
I would absolutely call someone who bombs an abortion clinic a Christian if that is what that person is. Religion is first of all a belief system and second a set of rituals. As far as I know there is no "excommunication" from Islam for massacring innocents. Hell, there isn't for Catholics either, at least not any recent case that I heard of. In the case of Catholics, God forgives. The Christian guy bombing an abortion clinic is a sinner, but also a Christian.
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Post by: Butan on December 08, 2015, 09:39:46 pm
Im pretty sure even if there one day only exsisted one race, nation and culture, we'd still end up murdering people with different eye-or haircolor.
Really not sure about that, since even today lots of people stopped caring about skin color. Different eye/hair color would be a preposterous reason to discriminate against. I think we will erase discrimination as fast as we unite under one banner, so if we become united it will be when there is no more reason to murder each other*.
*no more IMPORTANT reasons :P
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Post by: Tibe on December 08, 2015, 10:04:59 pm
Stopped caring about color in the West you mean. Everywhere else its still racist as fuck.
And people wont ever unite under one banner. The world is too large. Provincial wars inside a massive Empire or wars between 2 nations are still just wars.
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Post by: Grumbs on December 08, 2015, 10:19:45 pm
Really not sure about that, since even today lots of people stopped caring about skin color. Different eye/hair color would be a preposterous reason to discriminate against. I think we will erase discrimination as fast as we unite under one banner, so if we become united it will be when there is no more reason to murder each other*.
*no more IMPORTANT reasons :P
People will always find a reason to discriminate as long as the distribution of power/resources is "unfair". Its an "us" vs "them" mentality designed to bolster the power within your group. Power and resources always have to trickle down since there just isn't enough to distribute evenly, and all attempts to do so result in a corrupt distribution. We are pack animals, we just wants whats best for ourselves and our families. If you aren't happy with what you have its logical to try to find excuses or reasons why you deserve more than that other group. If we had one country, one culture, one religion (or none) people will still discriminate until they are happy with how much basic resources they have. Its not a coincidence that poor countries have these issues. You might say "Saudi Arabia isn't poor", but the general population is.
I'm kinda trolling, kinda not. I wonder if Oberyn is writing a word document to address everything
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Post by: Kafein on December 08, 2015, 10:47:53 pm
We behave like tribal oversized chimps because we are tribal oversized chimps. We are so sensitive to identity that we get all emotional about football teams, for fuck's sake. It has nothing to do with resources and everything to do with human, or rather chimp, nature.
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Post by: Teeth on December 09, 2015, 01:24:26 pm
Have a look at the history of Christianity. It could be a hard line Christian state and be just as messed up. Their effigy is literally a guy getting tortured on a cross. The difference is the west is further ahead with education, economy, stability, democracy etc. As we move forward the world will get less and less compatible with religions. Might not happen at the same pace as the west, but it will happen eventually
You still believe that development will turn the Middle-East into democratic, tolerant and secular societies? Syria looked promising, but has been torn apart by its sectarian divide anyway. Despite continuing economic growth Turkey's political direction would make Atatürk do somersaults in his grave. The Gulf States despite rolling in currency remain firmly Islamist and reforms are not easy to envision.
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Post by: Butan on December 09, 2015, 03:52:46 pm
You still believe that development will turn the Middle-East into democratic, tolerant and secular societies? Syria looked promising, but has been torn apart by its sectarian divide anyway. Despite continuing economic growth Turkey's political direction would make Atatürk do somersaults in his grave. The Gulf States despite rolling in currency remain firmly Islamist and reforms are not easy to envision.
Some of that have to do with western intervention :? For Middle-East to have a chance, it needs to be supported by realpolitik and historical events. Like Ukraine.
In the curent situation, Middle-East has to roll a double d20 to succeed :P
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Post by: Molly on December 09, 2015, 03:59:01 pm
Some of that have to do with western intervention :? For Middle-East to have a chance, it needs to be supported by realpolitik and historical events. Like Ukraine.
In the curent situation, Middle-East has to roll a double d20 to succeed :P
You actually believe that ME would be further ahead in - what we call - development if the 'West' never had intervened in anything? That is very doubtful imo.
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Post by: Butan on December 09, 2015, 05:01:25 pm
I think that overall the west has been negatively impacting the Middle-East; I didnt say development-wise. Development is only a facet.
Development would have been slower without western intervention, and passive education/technology transfer certainly positively affected the Middle-East in the last centuries.
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Post by: Tibe on December 09, 2015, 05:44:13 pm
I think that overall the west has been negatively impacting the Middle-East; I didnt say development-wise. Development is only a facet.
Development would have been slower without western intervention, and passive education/technology transfer certainly positively affected the Middle-East in the last centuries.
I think that it mainly hasnt impacted anything. Again, pretty much the Empirates are always an excellent example of what the rest of the Middle-East could be without any threatful intervention and owning massive wealth. And its still shitty and inhumane, which weakpoints and holes are just covered up with pure money.
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Post by: Molly on December 09, 2015, 05:57:40 pm
I think that overall the west has been negatively impacting the Middle-East; I didnt say development-wise. Development is only a facet.
Development would have been slower without western intervention, and passive education/technology transfer certainly positively affected the Middle-East in the last centuries.
I ment development as an overall term. Including jurisdiction, policing and religion.
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Post by: Grumbs on December 10, 2015, 11:34:31 am
Some of that have to do with western intervention :?
Their main complaint has always been western imperialism. Iraq war was an outright failure. Sadam might not have been a nice guy dictator, but he had his various factions under control
Not saying the west has done nothing but have a negative impact, but they have made some incredibly huge blunders. Not really sure what the solution is, but I think stable governments are the place to start without western interference. All we do is give their propaganda machine fuel so they can recruit more muslims who interpret the islamic code literally and radicalise their general population. Every one who dies for their cause gets to go to heaven with 100 virgins or whatever. 9/11 was just a massive bait to get the US creating more martys and to hurt their economy. Any perceived attacks on their religion will make them more hardline and fanatical.
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Post by: Xant on December 10, 2015, 12:27:02 pm
I'll take a destabilized Middle East any day over a stable, united and technologically modern Middle East that decides it's time to start adhering to the Quran more literally again.
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Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on December 10, 2015, 12:56:47 pm
I'll take a destabilized Middle East any day over a stable, united and technologically modern Middle East that decides it's time to start adhering to the Quran more literally again.
united? What you mean, Iran and all shiites annihilated or what?
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Post by: Molly on December 10, 2015, 12:58:56 pm
I'll take a destabilized Middle East any day over a stable, united and technologically modern Middle East that decides it's time to start adhering to the Quran more literally again.
One could argue that destabilization and the hand-in-hand lack of perspective for a 'good, properous' life leads directly to a more literal adhering of the Quran due to the lack of other structures to reach out to or live for. Not necessarily my personal opinion but I can't deny that I believe there is a pinch of truth to it - at least for most of the terrorists.
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Post by: Xant on December 10, 2015, 01:18:47 pm
One could argue that destabilization and the hand-in-hand lack of perspective for a 'good, properous' life leads directly to a more literal adhering of the Quran due to the lack of other structures to reach out to or live for. Not necessarily my personal opinion but I can't deny that I believe there is a pinch of truth to it - at least for most of the terrorists.
Not true at all. Most of the worst terrorists have been wealthy and well educated. And the foot soldiers don't even matter. You can always get the peasants to do what you want. As long as you have the top believing in something, the majority are meaningless -- and even right now the leadership of the orgs are extremely well off.
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Post by: Butan on December 10, 2015, 01:21:22 pm
Not true at all. Most of the worst terrorists have been wealthy and well educated. And the foot soldiers don't even matter. You can always get the peasants to do what you want. As long as you have the top believing in something, the majority are meaningless -- and even right now the leadership of the orgs are extremely well off.
I ment the foot soldiers tho. I might be wrong but I think that the majority of the low ranks is in for the structure, perspective (how weird and fucked up that perspective is tho), food and home. Ofc, those who lead mostly do it out of less basic interests about which I don't wanna speculate.
There might be a similarity to the 3rd Reich. One huge reason for the NSDAP being so successful in recruiting was the dire situation of the populace. No work, no food, no structure. Along comes Adolf, offering exactly those basic needs being satisfied. Not to mention a common enemy, someone to blame. Doesn't matter if it's reasonable or not.
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Post by: Xant on December 10, 2015, 02:27:48 pm
I ment the foot soldiers tho. I might be wrong but I think that the majority of the low ranks is in for the structure, perspective (how weird and fucked up that perspective is tho), food and home. Ofc, those who lead mostly do it out of less basic interests about which I don't wanna speculate.
There might be a similarity to the 3rd Reich. One huge reason for the NSDAP being so successful in recruiting was the dire situation of the populace. No work, no food, no structure. Along comes Adolf, offering exactly those basic needs being satisfied. Not to mention a common enemy, someone to blame. Doesn't matter if it's reasonable or not.
The foot soldiers firing AKs in Syria don't really matter, and aren't a threat to anyone.
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We examined the educational backgrounds of 75 terrorists behind some of the most significant recent terrorist attacks against Westerners. We found that a majority of them are college-educated, often in technical subjects like engineering.
The "actual terrorists", i.e. the ones committing the attacks in the west, are usually educated and well off. They can live the good life, and they can see it. All they have to do is not blow themselves up. Yet they choose to do it anyway.
If you want to wage a large scale war, that's even easier -- false flag attacks, propaganda, religion, inbuilt in-group/out-group mechanisms of humans... it's not hard to motivate dumb young men to kill other young men, and do it with a burning sense of being in the right.
Getting a modern western nation to not just accept, but demand a war with a couple of Middle Eastern countries was as easy as killing 0.0009% of that nation's population in a single attack. I'm talking of the US and 9/11, of course. I'm not suggesting 9/11 was a false flag attack, but what if it had been? What if Bush was evil (for the lack of a better word) and wanted to attack the ME? All it would have taken was a one staged attack, and the whole nation was roused. That's why the general well being of the population &c doesn't matter.
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Post by: Paul on December 10, 2015, 02:50:40 pm
Ban muslims from STEM. Make them learn about Post-structuralism and its relation to Marxism and Humanism instead. The urge to kill themselves will be so overwhelming that they won't have time to put a bomb on, load an AKM or even make a pilot licence.