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Title: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on October 23, 2015, 02:22:42 pm
So after trying to fix my Rocket league problem, it crashing my gpu without putting any sort of strain on it (gtx670), it finally caused something much worse than simple crashes.

As mentioned in the rocket league thread
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I was stupid enough to continue trying to fix it. Now i get artifacts on bootup, when booted i get gpu crash>computer restarts etc. I managed to boot safe mode, disable GPU to stop the crashing. Even with GPU disabled i get artifacts on bootup etc, so what causes it? Is my power supply failing? Should i attempt to oven my GPU?

Im honestly amazed a game could fuck my computer up, and yes its the only possibility because ive played far more straining games than rocket league, and i even put rocket league to minimum graphics.

Any sort of help would be appreciated, untill then i will have to attempt to beat Dungeon crawl stone soup. So far im considering handing in my computer somewhere to see if professionals can fix it, but at the moment it seems excessive if i can possibly fix it on my own.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Christo on October 23, 2015, 02:30:42 pm
I have heard about problems like intense coil whine in menus because the GPU pulls off 999999999999999999999999 frames, but this is a first for me.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Molly on October 23, 2015, 04:20:34 pm
Describe the artefacts a bit more. Maybe take a mobile pic and post it?

Artefacts are always bad... like "something is broken" bad... :|
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Senni__Ti on October 23, 2015, 04:24:14 pm
What did you do to try and fix it?

Are your drivers up to date?

Describe the artefacts a bit more. Maybe take a mobile pic and post it?

Artefacts are always bad... like "something is broken" bad... :|

And this.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on October 23, 2015, 05:50:39 pm
Horizontal stripes randomly scattered across my screen. White and black colored.

What ive tried is completely removing and re-installing drivers, disabled GPU, downclocked it slightly when on. Still the artifacts are on screen even with disabled GPU so with my nearly nonexistant knowledge of computers im assuming the powersupply might be the cause? And when enabling the gpu it simply doesnt get enough power and so computer reboots etc. Booted in safe mode too, have yet to restore pc to previous point, but by the looks of it, that wont do jack shit. Something has taken a beating and needs replacing.

Googling the issue on rocket league not working gave me someone saying that rocketleagu tries to make a ton of connections constantly which demands a huge amount of power, and with a certain program that some motherboards have you could put its network to low prio to fix the crashing issue. If this is true (not sure how logical it is, apparently it fixed his game) then me not having lowered it might have put a huge toll on my power supply and rekt it.

edit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/3derjh/rocket_league_killed_2_of_my_gaming_rigs/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/3derjh/rocket_league_killed_2_of_my_gaming_rigs/)

Heres the link to another guy who seems to have a similar problem.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Christo on October 23, 2015, 06:15:35 pm
Oh shit

A VGA crapped itself once here, I had vertical yellow lines all over the screen. That was the VRAM and it got burned out.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on October 23, 2015, 06:19:34 pm
Oh shit

A VGA crapped itself once here, I had vertical yellow lines all over the screen. That was the VRAM and it got burned out.

I guess the vram could be responsible, but then it still doesnt make sense that the artifacts occur even with gpu disabled.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Christo on October 23, 2015, 06:23:30 pm
Well.

Easiest way would be to.. but you would have done it anyway.. you know, replaceable parts to find out what's wrong.

If you suspect the PSU, we need one to try. A working video card no matter how crappy could be useful.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Grytviken on October 23, 2015, 06:25:27 pm
I had a brand new GPU popped due to bitcoin farming, before it died my screen would have feint black and grey horizontal lines.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Christo on October 23, 2015, 06:28:10 pm
Yeah, that's it pretty much.

Lines all over the screen are either VGA or Monitor problems.

This damage could be on multiple levels though, I won't deny that.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Molly on October 23, 2015, 06:29:26 pm
I guess the vram could be responsible, but then it still doesnt make sense that the artifacts occur even with gpu disabled.
By GPU disabled, you mean that you're running off the integrated GPU of an Intel CPU/mobo?
Or disabling the hardware acceleration?
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on October 23, 2015, 06:33:41 pm
Well.

Easiest way would be to.. but you would have done it anyway.. you know, replaceable parts to find out what's wrong.

If you suspect the PSU, we need one to try. A working video card no matter how crappy could be useful.

I may have a gtx560ti laying around, and possibly a huge psu aswell unless it has been thrown out after gathering dust for a long time. (Wouldve used it but it didnt fit my case)

Im insanely lazy so before i crack open my computer i will first have get something thats a bigger hazzle to be put on my to do list. Also chances are ill forget how things were, or i will simply fuck things up further.

By GPU disabled, you mean that you're running off the integrated GPU of an Intel CPU/mobo?
Or disabling the hardware acceleration?

Booted safe mode and in device manager i disabled my gpu, so i think im running on mobo thingy.


GPU or no, im still able to play stone soup and god its fun.
You reach out to hit something. You heal something. Xom thinks its hilarious.
Based Xom.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Grytviken on October 23, 2015, 06:36:19 pm
My problem was due to ESEA putting a bitcoin farmer in their client which burned out my gpu, luckily they paid to have it replaced. But i've also heard of some background effects on main menus that are poorly optimized overheating GPU's. There was a serious problem with the background ember effects on the main menu of Dota 2 that apparently fried and overheated people's GPU's during the beta because they were poorly optimized, so I guess it's possible even from a non demanding game to have some kind of feature with poor optimization. 
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on October 23, 2015, 06:38:15 pm
I may have a gtx560ti laying around, and possibly a huge psu aswell unless it has been thrown out after gathering dust for a long time. (Wouldve used it but it didnt fit my case)

Im insanely lazy so before i crack open my computer i will first have get something thats a bigger hazzle to be put on my to do list. Also chances are ill forget how things were, or i will simply fuck things up further.

Booted safe mode and in device manager i disabled my gpu, so i think im running on mobo thingy.


GPU or no, im still able to play stone soup and god its fun.
You reach out to hit something. You heal something. Xom thinks its hilarious.
Based Xom.

Just take the gpu out and run it from the onboard graphics, if there's no lines then it's the GPU.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on October 23, 2015, 06:38:39 pm
My problem was due to ESEA putting a bitcoin farmer in their client which burned out my gpu, luckily they paid to have it replaced. But i've also heard of some background effects on main menus that are poorly optimized overheating GPU's. There was a serious problem with the background ember effects on the main menu of Dota 2 that apparently fried and overheated people's GPU's during the beta because they were poorly optimized, so I guess it's possible even from a non demanding game to have poor optimization.

The main menu is what fried peoples PS4's earlier, so that was a thing. But as ive mentioned, no strain was put on my GPU when i monitored it while playing. Everything was at its lowest, both in menu and in game.

Just take the gpu out and run it from the onboard graphics, if there's no lines then it's the GPU.

If i have it disabled in device manager, is it still used for things? Ill try removing it, but it shouldnt be active atm anyways.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on October 23, 2015, 06:44:09 pm
Is your monitor still plugged into it?
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Grytviken on October 23, 2015, 06:47:12 pm
You have to enable it in bios.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on October 23, 2015, 06:50:42 pm
Is your monitor still plugged into it?

Yeah, im using my pc right now.

My friend suggested i had too many things plugged in my pc, and so psu couldnt handle it. Ps3 controller emulated as xbox controller. Webcam (not in use but plugged in nonetheless), M&k ofc, wireless headset being charged and the wireless signal thing. That would explain why rocket league was the only game to cause it, since its the only game i use my controller for. Sounds logical?
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Grytviken on October 23, 2015, 06:52:08 pm
How old and what psu
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on October 23, 2015, 06:53:17 pm
I doubt they'd cause that unless you were really close to maxing it anyway.

Reason I'm saying unplug the GPU is cos if your monitor is still plugged into the GPU it's still sending information through it to the HDMI or VGA port or whatever. Get rid of it completely run with onboard graphics and use your motherboard ports to completely bypass the GPU. If you're not getting artifacts without the GPU then it's something on the GPU that's the issue.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Bronto on October 23, 2015, 06:58:26 pm
Suck it Jona if you're reading this thread/post!! I knew there was a reason rocket car soccer and I were never going to work out! It's the work of the devil....slaying cpu's unsolved mystery style...

Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on October 23, 2015, 06:58:39 pm
How old and what psu

its like 2 years, im not sure what PSU it is, can i check it without cracking open my case? whole pc is fresh since 2 years.

Id also like to add i had a second monitor plugged in for the most part aswell. HDMI to tv.


I doubt they'd cause that unless you were really close to maxing it anyway.

Reason I'm saying unplug the GPU is cos if your monitor is still plugged into the GPU it's still sending information through it to the HDMI or VGA port or whatever. Get rid of it completely run with onboard graphics and use your motherboard ports to completely bypass the GPU. If you're not getting artifacts without the GPU then it's something on the GPU that's the issue.

My monitor isnt connected via my GPU afaik, its connected just below that jack. That could just be another gpu input though. I'll have to try to switch it.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Grytviken on October 23, 2015, 07:00:39 pm
A failing power supply could destroy your gpu but probably unlikely, like oujama suggests you want to try and isolate the possibilities one at a time.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: [ptx] on October 23, 2015, 07:01:06 pm
Most modern GPUs take up 2 slots, so it's probably another GPU jack.

Also fuck you, you Xom heretic! Corpses for Trog!
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on October 23, 2015, 07:01:21 pm
It's either on the graphics card or the motherboard or you've got some kind of magic going on.

If it's a tower case the motherboard will have the ports going vertically most of the time and the graphics card will have them going horizontally.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Jona on October 23, 2015, 07:01:26 pm
Suck it Jona if you're reading this thread/post!! I knew there was a reason rocket car soccer and I were never going to work out! It's the work of the devil....slaying cpu's unsolved mystery style...


No worries, as long as you aren't eurotrash you can run this game 60+ fps with maxed graphics no problem.  8-)
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on October 23, 2015, 07:05:59 pm
It's either on the graphics card or the motherboard or you've got some kind of magic going on.

If it's a tower case the motherboard will have the ports going vertically most of the time and the graphics card will have them going horizontally.

Its indeed horizontal, the plug doesnt fit the vertical ones.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on October 23, 2015, 07:10:37 pm
That's awkward, what type of plug is it?
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Grytviken on October 23, 2015, 07:12:47 pm
You might need an adapter, or better yet if you can go to a friends house and just bring your monitor and GPU, you could rule out whether it's your monitor or GPU.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on October 23, 2015, 07:14:12 pm
That's awkward, what type of plug is it?

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The top one, does it look different on both ends or am i being optimistic? Cause the blue one is what i need to fit onto my motherboard.

You might need an adapter, or better yet if you can go to a friends house and just bring your monitor and GPU, you could rule out whether it's your monitor or GPU.

Implying i have friends
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Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Grytviken on October 23, 2015, 07:16:38 pm
yes the blue one
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on October 23, 2015, 07:17:43 pm
That's a converter which is exactly what you need, you have a dvi cable and you need a dvi to vga converter, check around your house a lot of monitors came with them for free. Also check to see if your monitor has any other ports, if so you could just buy a vga cable which might be easier to get ahold of.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on October 23, 2015, 07:21:57 pm
That's a converter which is exactly what you need, you have a dvi cable and you need a dvi to vga converter, check around your house a lot of monitors came with them for free. Also check to see if your monitor has any other ports, if so you could just buy a vga cable which might be easier to get ahold of.

Ill try to get my hands on one. Wont be able to do much today since its rather late already, but now i have a lot of things stacked up to try for tomorrow.


Also fuck you, you Xom heretic! Corpses for Trog!

Xom is best god, he pays attention to me.
Xom says: I'm watching you, my ugly child.

My frodo halfling assassin is closing up my first ever victory, with 2 runes and soon to have cleared depths, im sure the orb run is a cakewalk HAHA... right?
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on October 23, 2015, 07:25:56 pm
One other thing that's a shot in the dark, check if your gpu and monitors have hdmi ports could simply be the cable.... I doubt it but it's an easy thing to check
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Kafein on October 23, 2015, 07:26:57 pm
Gravoth if you have an integrated GPU there has to be either an HMDI, VGA or DVI output on the mobo. Plug your screen into that.

If your GPU is overclocked, disable the overclock. To be sure, uninstall any GPU overclocking software you might have and disable the associated services in msconfig. Artifacts are often caused by bad VRAM OCs (although they don't usually look like what you describe).

By the way I used to have artifacts with a perfectly fine GPU. They simply disappeared after carefully wiping the driver and re-installing. It might even be your motherboard or your PSU not providing enough power. That said, boot artifacts are usually synonymous with something being bricked.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Grytviken on October 23, 2015, 08:03:37 pm
You could also go buy a graphics card from a large retail store just to test it out and if you have to, return it, they usually have a manufacturers return policy of 15-30 days for multiple reasons. If you can find your identical card even better.

 Your card could still be under some kind of manufacturer's warranty you never know.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on October 23, 2015, 08:29:05 pm
You could also go buy a graphics card from a large retail store just to test it out then return it, they usually have a manufacturers return policy of 15-30 days for multiple reasons.

That's what I do with my underware - I return them back to the shop after a week, so I don't have to wash them myself. And if they ask any questions, I tell them that my balls were sweating too much. They usually give me an evil eye, since I only buy thongs and they have a decent ventilation, but there is no law against it so they have to take it back.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Grytviken on October 23, 2015, 08:31:10 pm
That's what I do with my underware - I return them back to the shop after a week, so I don't have to wash them myself. And if they ask any questions, I tell them that my balls were sweating too much. They usually give me an evil eye, since I only buy thongs and they have a decent ventilation, but there is no law against it so they have to take it back.

Well cards are known to fail right out of the box, there is a special warranty and return policy between the manufacturer and the retailer because of this, this policy also covers returns for non-compatibility, which would be his problem.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on October 23, 2015, 08:46:49 pm
That's what I do with my underware - I return them back to the shop after a week, so I don't have to wash them myself. And if they ask any questions, I tell them that my balls were sweating too much. They usually give me an evil eye, since I only buy thongs and they have a decent ventilation, but there is no law against it so they have to take it back.

Why after a week? i thought you switched underwear every day?
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on October 23, 2015, 09:00:12 pm
Why after a week? i thought you switched underwear every day?

Sorry man, it was just something I told you when you complained about my dick tasting fishy...  8-)

Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on October 23, 2015, 09:37:12 pm
Also fuck you, you Xom heretic! Corpses for Trog!

Xom just spawned 2 shadows on my level 5 character. instantly died. Then he revived me so i could die instantly again. Xom is love, Xom is life.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Grytviken on October 23, 2015, 10:09:40 pm
Sorry man, it was just something I told you when you complained about my dick tasting fishy...  8-)

Fishy is essential for those long winters to supplement that vitamin D

Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on November 04, 2015, 02:42:17 pm
I finally took my lazy ass the time to switch out my gpu to the 560ti i had saved. And indeed it was the 670 that had broken down. Will see if i have a reciept around so mabe i can get a refund or a new one.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on November 04, 2015, 02:46:44 pm
Can't believe there are inept developers out there who make games that can brick your GPU. I don't know how logical this sounds to you but if I were you, I would do whatever it takes to sue those damn bastards. This is inacceptable.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on November 04, 2015, 03:40:52 pm
Can't believe there are inept developers out there who make games that can brick your GPU. I don't know how logical this sounds to you but if I were you, I would do whatever it takes to sue those damn bastards. This is inacceptable.

Unfortunately the game is so good, i cant really be mad at them (if they are even to blame to begin with, im not sure if RL was the cause)
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Molly on November 04, 2015, 04:17:24 pm
I finally took my lazy ass the time to switch out my gpu to the 560ti i had saved. And indeed it was the 670 that had broken down. Will see if i have a reciept around so mabe i can get a refund or a new one.
Good luck :?
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on November 04, 2015, 06:57:32 pm
If not just pick up a 4GB 960. Not that expensive.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Kafein on November 04, 2015, 09:21:02 pm
Can't believe there are inept developers out there who make games that can brick your GPU. I don't know how logical this sounds to you but if I were you, I would do whatever it takes to sue those damn bastards. This is inacceptable.

It's never the game's responsibility to protect your hardware. It's the driver's responsibility. That said, most games do not actually test those limits.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on November 04, 2015, 11:16:44 pm
550w PSU is what i have, so anything that can go with that, read that 970 can, and since that seems to be a safe bet for future games too for not too much moolah, ill probably get one.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on November 04, 2015, 11:52:48 pm
It's never the game's responsibility to protect your hardware. It's the driver's responsibility. That said, most games do not actually test those limits.

Still this is the first time I am hearing about a GPU-maiming game. Have there been any other examples?
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on November 05, 2015, 08:59:16 am
550w PSU is what i have, so anything that can go with that, read that 970 can, and since that seems to be a safe bet for future games too for not too much moolah, ill probably get one.

Avoid AMD if you're worried about your PSU, they're notoriously power hungry. A 970 would be spot on but a 4GB 960 would be fine as well.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: [ptx] on November 05, 2015, 09:17:36 am
Still this is the first time I am hearing about a GPU-maiming game. Have there been any other examples?
I've heard of games that have no FPS limit in their menus and those are simplistic and undemanding enough to make the FPS go sky-high. Dunno if that's the case here.
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on November 05, 2015, 09:28:26 am
That is a common thing. Tallowmere is a good example. It is a very simplistic pixellated game, yet strains your rig so much occasionally. Same thing was observed with the very first Binding of Isaac game, which ran on Flash.

Based on Gravoth's first post, I did a little Google search and it looks like Rocket League is simply killing cards. That is something I personally haven't heard of before. You can Google yourself or just take a look at this Reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/3derjh/rocket_league_killed_2_of_my_gaming_rigs/).
Title: Re: Anyone with some computer knowledge that can help?
Post by: Rhekimos on November 05, 2015, 09:55:30 am
I've heard of games that have no FPS limit in their menus and those are simplistic and undemanding enough to make the FPS go sky-high. Dunno if that's the case here.

Space Engineers menu used to run into the thousands. I'm suspecting it's simple heat though. And I haven't heard of SE killing cards.