Typically meat comes wrapped in these convenient packs in a supermarket, im not sure how they get it, i assume it must be grown on plants or something, but its really delicious. Hunting, oh no, thats horribly inhumane, i only eat hamburger meat from the store.
Personally I think unless you're a vegan you have no moral leg to stand on calling this "mass slaughter".
Anyways, I think kids should have to kill, clean and eat at least a chicken once in their life, if they want to continue eating meat.
Anyways, I think kids should have to kill, clean and eat at least a chicken once in their life, if they want to continue eating meat.
Anyways, I think kids should have to kill, clean and eat at least a chicken once in their life, if they want to continue eating meat.Yeah, I am always pitching this idea too. I am afraid Kafein is right in that this would probably drive people to vegetarianism, which is why it is a good idea. Killing a chicken or knowing that pilot whales get slaughtered by the dozens should not be a problem for anyone who eats meat. Any detached hypocrites that disagree can go and reduce the strain on the planet, while I enjoy my lovely hand-slaughtered chicken breast.
Pilot whales aren't endangered. Just pointing that out cause I've seen a whole slew of articles on this subject, and some of them contain blatant lies. Personally I think unless you're a vegan you have no moral leg to stand on calling this "mass slaughter". There's more slaughter on any big fishing port daily, it's just kept safe from your precious dear eyes so you can go and buy pieces of fish wrapped in plastic and pretend it didn't come from a living, breathing creature.
Willingly killing an animal to eat it isn't some fucking psycho shit, it's called reality.
Anyways, I think kids should have to kill, clean and eat at least a chicken once in their life, if they want to continue eating meat.
If you eat meat from an animal you wouldn't personally kill you're a gigantic fucking hypocrite, which you at least admit.
Can somebody please dig out a video of a modern slaughterhouse where cows are processed in unbelievable numbers every day. After seeing this you would feel happy for those wales that they had a live in freedom and a fast death.
Edit: I found some examples (was a quick search so not the best material):
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=16d_1431783596 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=16d_1431783596)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=429_1203341293 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=429_1203341293)
I see some difference between killing cute pilot whales and killing chickens in animal farm. It's, of course, only a cultural thing, but so what, it doesn't mean it's meaningless. In china you can kill and eat as many cute little huge-eyed puppies as you want, while in POland for killing a dog you go to jail. The distinction is based exclusively on cultural values. Same with killing a livestock in a slaughterhouse and killing a pilot whales with your own hands.
I'm a hypocrite, but not exactly for the reasons you point out. Do you really expect someone who has grown up in a big city, never in his life saw farm animals, let alone killing them, to be able to kill and clean a chicken? Most of friends of mine wouldn't kill even a carp for christmas eve dinner.
We're frighteningly addaptable when it comes to violence and ignoring it.
Are most of your friends vegans? Maybe they should be, if witnessing the reality is enough to cut their appetite.
Some of us.
Anyways, I think kids should have to kill, clean and eat at least a chicken once in their life, if they want to continue eating meat.
I see no problem with killing animals for food, because it is a biological necessity.
Killing the animals you eat does not feel good, but it certainly teaches you respect.
I don't disagree with that, but it doesn't mean that killing all animals, in all circumstances should be treated in the same way.Obviously a traditional thing connected to their cultural history. Who are you to deny them their culture?
Obviously a traditional thing connected to their cultural history. Who are you to deny them their culture?
Obviously a traditional thing connected to their cultural history. Who are you to deny them their culture?
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Nope.
As pointed out, not an endangered species. That would make it different. Other than that I don't see the issue with it.
They kill for food, not for sport.
Same with some Chinese farmer on the countryside, preparing a dog or cat for dinner. So what? It's meat, they eat it.
Just because I wouldn't eat it doesn't give me the right to tell them otherwise. That would be pretty arrogant.
I've recently found out that my true roots lie in cannibalistic culture of Amazonian tribes. They especially like to eat fat German scholars. Who are you to have a valid argument against my newfound taste for your grilled, tasty buttocks?
I did it too, not because I felt I needed to understand the whole story, but because I'm cruel and took pleasure in killing the poor thing.
Respect to what? Animals? I assure you that I can respect them without a need to kill them.
Sheeeet, I've killed a lot of trout, pike and grayling in the last month...(click to show/hide)
The thing bothering me with the wales killing in the faroe is that wales have too many chemical in their body due to pollution and people actually can not eat them after the killing.
Respect for their death. And knowing its death youre talking about. Not just another burger.
No, Molly. You're the one being wrong.Maybe we should clearly state what we're actually talking about cuz there are 2 points here:
What apparently everybody except you understood (and I have a hard time understanding it any other way even though I tried) when reading your post is that you thought "cultural heritage" was an excuse for something that would otherwise be unacceptable. That's wrong. Facts are, that there are plenty enough of those whales around. It would be fine to kill them even if the "massacre" was a one-year fad based on a popular novel written by a New-Yorker on cocaine who visited the Faroes once.
Maybe we should clearly state what we're actually talking about cuz there are 2 points here:
1. being that they kill those whales when they could eat... chicken.
2. the way they kill them
to 1.) There are enough of them around that killing and eating the produce is okay
to 2.) This is prolly the real issue here. It looks like a cheap horror movie. Personally, I doubt that most beef and pork meat is produced in a much less stress inducing way. They probably try but I doubt it works. Not to mention the way they are held. But here the tradition comes into play. I do not know the historical background for his but there is a lot of room to assume parts of it that are very likely: initiating boys into manhood, forcing team work and traditional ways of hunting them.
That is far from unacceptable. That's why I pointed out that, and I still think you do, you deliberately put a statement in my mouth that I never made. I made very clear by now that I solely pointed that statement towards that specific way of hunting that specific animal. And especially because it would be okay even if "the "massacre" was a one-year fad based on a popular novel written by a New-Yorker on cocaine who visited the Faroes once" I still don't see the issue with my statement. You generalize it when it's not meant to be generalized, like Leshma did.
tl;dr: I talk specific when you still assume I talk general.
People tend to put too much emphasis on drawing conclusions from personal experience. There's really no need for me to kill a pig to realize that the meat which I eat once was a living creature.
But could you agree, that if the majority would know what its really about, they would maybe not buy cheap supermarket meat every day - and therefor not support the mass slaughter facilities?
Knowing what meat is. Knowing what meat means, makes you buy your meat from local, fair butchers
Having to kill at least one of the thousands of animals a human being consumes during his or her lifetime, might achieve just that.
It definately did for me.
In this particular instance I think it's fine because only *our* cultural heritage makes killing that particular animal somehow 'ugly' or different than killing a pig or a cow or a lamb. That's if you want to latch onto the cultural heritage point Molly stated. Who are we to say 'ew, eating whales isn't cool man', that's far different than the extreme examples of 'derp, I guess my culture allows me to eat humans'.
In prehistory over in bonny Britain eating waterfowl seemed to be taboo for some weird reason, in most of our history eating dogs is taboo (apart from some weird period approx. 3000 years ago where that was fine - but not before or after that period). Over here it'd be weird to eat insects despite the obvious nutritional benefits. These things change and there's not always an objective 'truth' to what animals should or should not be eaten, it all draws very strongly on what you're accustomed to ending up on your plate.
That's if you want to be general based on your cultural prejudices over what should or should not be eaten. I bet the way we butcher and eat cows is distasteful to some cultures, do we turn around and obey their cultural norm regarding what animals are 'good' to eat? Hell no.
Nope, I couldn't. I don't agree that people don't know "what meat is" and "what meat means" in the first place. Maybe we shouldn't have a high opinion of human intelligence, but people aren't that dumb to don't know that the piece of meat on their plate used to be a pig or a cow which someone had to kill. They're just indifferent and I highly doubt that killing by your own hand an animal would change their attitude. After all in POland each year almost in every family someone kill a carp for christmas eve dinner and guess what, people still don't give a damn.
So because of some personal, anecdotal experience you'd like to force all kids to kill a chicken? :o Even though part, if not most, of them would be able to realize the same as you without a need to kill an animal? Great, then I have another anecdotal evidence for you. A friend of mine who was a vegetarian never in his life killed a chicken. Or any other animal. Conclusions?
PS. I'm sure the practical aspect of the whole operation would be very... interesting. All these shool trips, going to the "local butchers" to " kill, clean and eat a chicken" :o
From what I've gathered through the years, think that Kafein don't give a flying fuck about traditions. If you want to use "its mah culture" card as an excuse for doing some stupid shit, that won't fly when it comes to Kafein.
Cannibalism is also part of the culture of many tribes and it isn't just about treating human as food source. One tribe in Polynesia or Indonesia or Micronesia or wherever somewhere between Asia and Austrialia, is practicing cannibalism. But it ain't just eating unfortunate foreigners because of their silky white skin. They do it because when an elder dies, he whispers on someone's ear who is the person responsible for his death. They have a belief where a demon is devouring people on their death bed. So when someone ill says a name, that member of a tribe isn't considered human anymore but a demon who killed and wants to devour fellow tribesman. Because of that, other tribesmen kill him, chop his head and extremities and serve him as a meal. It is their culture bruh!
Knowing what meat is. Knowing what meat means, makes you buy your meat from local, fair butchers, makes you "celebrate" your once-in-a-week steak.
Then what's your objection? Fairly sure Molly only brought up that this was something their culture does in reaction to the knee-jerk 'OMG you killing wales!? That's evil!'
My Statement was aimed at Falka and his outrage on how "they" could even do that.
Only problem I have with this whale is killing is that is being performed by Viking descendants, who I'm not too fond off (thank you cRPG) and because it looks to me they are having shitload of fun killing those whales. Doesn't seem it is just hunt for the sake of food but there's an family enjoyment on that video.
Don't mind me, I'm pisces. We tend to have special connection with sea mammals for some reason. Also weird, emotional dreamers. Very fucked up zodiac sign.
If you ever get a male child whose astrological sign is pisces, please do him a favor and throw him in the sea. Girls should do fine.