Mass Slaughter

[AntiBlitz]

In 'Murica we would have shot them from 3 miles away, unlike you barbarian Europeans living in 1300AD with your knife crazes, have to get in all close and spurt blood all over your faces like fucking savages.  The horror.

[Falka]

Willingly killing an animal to eat it isn't some fucking psycho shit, it's called reality.

I see some difference between killing cute pilot whales and killing chickens in animal farm. It's, of course, only a cultural thing, but so what, it doesn't mean it's meaningless. In china you can kill and eat as many cute little huge-eyed puppies as you want, while in POland for killing a dog you go to jail - even if you intend to eat it. The distinction is based exclusively on cultural values. Same with killing a livestock in a slaughterhouse and killing a pilot whales with your own hands.

Anyways, I think kids should have to kill, clean and eat at least a chicken once in their life, if they want to continue eating meat.

If you eat meat from an animal you wouldn't personally kill you're a gigantic fucking hypocrite, which you at least admit.

I'm a hypocrite, but not exactly for the reasons you point out. Do you really expect someone who has grown up in a big city, never in his life saw farm animals, let alone killing them, to be able to kill and clean a chicken? Most of friends of mine wouldn't kill even a carp for christmas eve dinner.

[Oberyn]

Can somebody please dig out a video of a modern slaughterhouse where cows are processed in unbelievable numbers every day. After seeing this you would feel happy for those wales that they had a live in freedom and a fast death.

Edit: I found some examples (was a quick search so not the best material):
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=16d_1431783596
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=429_1203341293

I can't understand how a person could work day after day doing this sort of shit and not go insane, but it's happened on the same industrial type chain even with humans, so it's not really a surprise. We're frighteningly addaptable when it comes to violence and ignoring it.
This is how it is usually done in Brasil, but usually the throat is slit right afterwards to get as much blood out as possible before it congeals, then skinning and hanging.  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=66f_1433857370 .  Please note children's voices in the background, the guy doing the blunt axing is a teenager, a huge part of the planet is still mostly rural, it is not unusual or traumatic in any way.

[Oberyn]

I see some difference between killing cute pilot whales and killing chickens in animal farm. It's, of course, only a cultural thing, but so what, it doesn't mean it's meaningless. In china you can kill and eat as many cute little huge-eyed puppies as you want, while in POland for killing a dog you go to jail. The distinction is based exclusively on cultural values. Same with killing a livestock in a slaughterhouse and killing a pilot whales with your own hands.

I'm a hypocrite, but not exactly for the reasons you point out. Do you really expect someone who has grown up in a big city, never in his life saw farm animals, let alone killing them, to be able to kill and clean a chicken? Most of friends of mine wouldn't kill even a carp for christmas eve dinner.

If shown how to, I think most people would be able to do it, it's not exactly rocket science. It doesn't take a degree in agronomy to pluck a chicken. Are most of your friends vegans? Maybe they should be, if witnessing the reality is enough to cut their appetite.

[Falka]

We're frighteningly addaptable when it comes to violence and ignoring it.

Some of us.

Are most of your friends vegans? Maybe they should be, if witnessing the reality is enough to cut their appetite.

One of them was, until he broke a leg and doctor told him his diet lacks proteins or some other nutriens which are in meat 

[Oberyn]

Some of us.

Really? You eat the flesh of animals but refuse to even think about the consequences or reality of it. I think you're a champ at it.

[Falka]

I was referring to the first part of your sentence, about violence, not ignoring it.

[Oberyn]

Well, statement was meant as written. It's not the sole capacity for violence that's frightening, it's the ignoring it part. I see no problem with killing animals for food, because it is a biological necessity. Yes, necessity, and all the unhealthy vegans with their brittle, easily broken bones and cherry picked studies can go fuck themselves. It's necessary violence. But at least I'm fully conscious of what that means, I don't pretend it doesn't exist because it makes me uncomfortable.

[Siiem]

Just gonna put this here. http://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html

[F i n]

Anyways, I think kids should have to kill, clean and eat at least a chicken once in their life, if they want to continue eating meat.

I agree. Never thouht that would happen

We decided to do just that when we were younger. Not because we're cruel or taking any kind of pleasure in killing the poor thing, but because we felt like we needed to make sure to understand the whole story.

After we had gotten it over with, we made ourselves a nice meal and ate it. And for the first time we ate it with the consiousness that act should deserve. None of us stuffed him self with Burgers, while watching tv after that.

I think facing your worst the only way to fully understand what you are. Killing the animals you eat does not feel good, but it certainly teaches you respect.

[Xant]

I did it too, not because I felt I needed to understand the whole story, but because I'm cruel and took pleasure in killing the poor thing.

[Kafein]

Ah Zant.

The thing that bothers me the most about this is how mind-numbingly common animal or even plant anthropomorphism is. It even goes against animal well-being in some cases, because we think all animals have the same kinds of needs as we do. Regardless, I think that in almost all western countries (and most of the world by the way) the amount of meat being consumed by the average person is like five times higher than what would be healthy. Furthermore, meat is by far the least energy-efficient food to produce and generates a lot of GMG on top of that.

[Falka]

I see no problem with killing animals for food, because it is a biological necessity.

I don't disagree with that, but it doesn't mean that killing all animals, in all circumstances should be treated in the same way.

Killing the animals you eat does not feel good, but it certainly teaches you respect.

Respect to what? Animals? I assure you that I can respect them without a need to kill them.

[Molly]

I don't disagree with that, but it doesn't mean that killing all animals, in all circumstances should be treated in the same way.

Obviously a traditional thing connected to their cultural history. Who are you to deny them their culture?

[Overdriven]

I've only killed and eaten something once and that was a pheasant but it was a good experience.

Certainly didn't put me off meat.

However, my aunt who worked in a slaughterhouse as a student has been vegetarian ever since.