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Title: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Leshma on May 03, 2015, 01:46:39 am
First it was that Qoray dude, truly sad person who seems to have stopped playing this mod. Nowadays we have the likes of Xanor/Spamwhore, few of them who seem to know each other very well (I'm not even remotely surprised). Their ancestor, mister Qoray even went as far to make that stupid epileptic video to show how he is playing all the time. Native is full of such players, whose greatest achievement in this game is buying expensive mouse with software that allow recording fast sequences of keystrokes.

I've been playing this for a very long time and have seen many genuinely good players and none of them was abusing fast feints (players like Phyrex, Tommy, Muffin, Tor, Teeth, Atze, Chase, Krivoru4chka, Saxon, Gurnisson, Phase etc.) Every single of those players has excellent feel of space and their surroundings, exceptional footwork and timing, in other words they are very skilled and play the game in a smart way. They can feint fast and emulate the random feint sequence but THEY CAN ALSO BLOCK DURING THAT FEINT SEQUENCE.

Which bring us back to already mentioned Qoray and friends. They can't block during feints, tested many times. I'm not the player who likes to spam quick attacks, prefer held attacks. But against these players with uber fast feints, spamming fast weapons works exceptionally well to the point where they are unable to respond and die fast.

Then what is my problem when they are so easy to deal with? Well first of all, they force me to change my proffered style of play which I'm not too keen to do just because some special flower decided that using mouse macros will make him feel good playing online game. Why don't I keep my playstyle and block their attacks? Well that is the tricky part because cRPG LAGS and missing blocks is ordinary thing and really fast feints during server burp means you get hit quite a lot. I can do what Gurnisson does, make a fast build with fastest broken animation polearm and buzz around spamming it which will force macro feinters launch their mouse at their screen so their mommies will have to buy them a new monitor. I don't want to do that, not a bastard of that kind.

This is not a call to do something about these soft "cheaters", there is nothing it can be done against them. Native community is full of them but native community is a really sad place full of Shemaforash like characters which means it is beyond repair. However, would like to see cRPG community or what is left of it recognizing this issue and stop saying how they don't use macros, how it is stupid, because they do and it is their only way of killing ANYONE in this mod.

To macro feinters: you are making fool of yourselves. This is five year old mod and being good at it at this point doesn't really matters much. Only thing you accomplish is being seen as sad little people who need crutches in something so trivial like online game.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Kidduis on May 03, 2015, 02:24:09 am
When you try to do really fast feints, it's hard so se anything really so i dont know what you are on about....
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on May 03, 2015, 03:31:32 am
The major problem with leshma is that with his constantly changing infamy bar, I don't have any pleasure or sentiment of relief when downvoting him.  :(
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Leshma on May 03, 2015, 03:42:07 am
Still butthurt because I called you second coming of Tovi?
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Kidduis on May 03, 2015, 03:51:29 am
Tovi

Who is that ?
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Leshma on May 03, 2015, 03:57:09 am
Champion of the most important topic cRPG forums ever had, Meanwhile in Ukraine. Dunno why Brokar doesn't like being compared with such influential persona.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Shemaforash on May 03, 2015, 04:54:30 am
Full of Shemaforash like characters? You mean people who don't cheat and genuinely try hard to become good at the game and then come and destroy players like you and force you to make threads about it. I understand that you're Leshma but this is a pretty pathetic thread even for you.

EDIT: Phyrex is the original lolfeinter "macrofeinter" for the people who lack braincells
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Rebelyell on May 03, 2015, 05:06:33 am
Leschma Fuck off from spamwhore right now.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Leshma on May 03, 2015, 05:26:43 am
Full of Shemaforash like characters? You mean people who don't cheat and genuinely try hard to become good at the game and then come and destroy players like you and force you to make threads about it. I understand that you're Leshma but this is a pretty pathetic thread even for you.

You don't even play cRPG, pumpkin. Or do you? Please share your random Vanguard char with us. Last time I've seen you, you have been trying to shoot arrows but somehow they felt like they are made of rubber and you've got destroyed in melee by pretty much everybody.

Native "pros" do visit this realm from time to time, get owned and go back to their sad little place @ http://forums.taleworlds.com where they let their imagination run wild.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Shemaforash on May 03, 2015, 06:04:28 am
You're delusional.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on May 03, 2015, 06:27:28 am
You're delusional.

thanks captain obvious
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Leshma on May 03, 2015, 06:54:18 am
You've Witchcraft support, one true forum warrior by your side. We need that Australian to post something good, cause PK is best.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on May 03, 2015, 07:30:05 am
You've Witchcraft support, one true forum warrior by your side. We need that Australian to post something good, cause PK is best.

Hey, just so you know, I'm not in support of you nor Shemaforash, nor anybody.

Except for Witchcraft, because he's a good guy.

So if you're talking shit on Witchcraft...

Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Phyrex on May 03, 2015, 07:53:09 am
Full of Shemaforash like characters? You mean people who don't cheat and genuinely try hard to become good at the game and then come and destroy players like you and force you to make threads about it. I understand that you're Leshma but this is a pretty pathetic thread even for you.

EDIT: Phyrex is the original lolfeinter macrofeinter for the people who lack braincells

I've never used macros, bitch.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: WarLord on May 03, 2015, 07:59:18 am
tl;dr
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Shemaforash on May 03, 2015, 08:01:44 am
I've never used macros, bitch.
: )
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Gurnisson on May 03, 2015, 08:08:36 am
You really are special, leshma
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Tagora on May 03, 2015, 09:08:10 am
where am i
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Oberyn on May 03, 2015, 09:17:49 am
where am i

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I7vPbthvWo
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Tagora on May 03, 2015, 09:25:26 am
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Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Akronus97 on May 03, 2015, 09:37:10 am
You really are special, leshma

Talking bullshit because he does not understand the game is indeed so special for a member of this community ....

Also, so few players have really good feints, I don't get your problem. You mentioned you don't like to adjust the way you fight, but this is exactly what one has to do against players with different fighting styles
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Falka on May 03, 2015, 09:54:20 am
I think there are players who use macros to execute ultra fast feints, but since I don't have a proof I'm not gonna point the finger at them.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Varadin on May 03, 2015, 09:56:21 am
I cant recall any fientspammer got me in fair 1v1  8-)
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Hearst_ on May 03, 2015, 10:20:08 am
First time you are right Leshma.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on May 03, 2015, 11:26:42 am
More drama, good... Goooooood.

All i can say is, some do feints that are incredibly fast, with 100% accuracy no matter the turning or positioning, which is questionable. Its definitely beatable, but it would be cheesy if that was due to a single click of a macro button etc. Cheese
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Panos_ on May 03, 2015, 12:28:17 pm
I dont think that spamwhore is using macros to be honest, I think he has topped the mouse sensetivity, like phase, and all he does is 360 turns around himself.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Teeth on May 03, 2015, 12:58:57 pm
Qoray used to be a sloppy blocker during his feints quite a while ago, but I duelled him a lot in preparation for some duel tournament and his blocking was very solid while doing complex feints.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Halk on May 03, 2015, 01:03:33 pm
First it was that Qoray dude, truly sad person who seems to have stopped playing this mod. Nowadays we have the likes of Xanor/Spamwhore, few of them who seem to know each other very well (I'm not even remotely surprised). Their ancestor, mister Qoray even went as far to make that stupid epileptic video to show how he is playing all the time. Native is full of such players, whose greatest achievement in this game is buying expensive mouse with software that allow recording fast sequences of keystrokes.

I've been playing this for a very long time and have seen many genuinely good players and none of them was abusing fast feints (players like Phyrex, Tommy, Muffin, Tor, Teeth, Atze, Chase, Krivoru4chka, Saxon, Gurnisson, Phase etc.) Every single of those players has excellent feel of space and their surroundings, exceptional footwork and timing, in other words they are very skilled and play the game in a smart way. They can feint fast and emulate the random feint sequence but THEY CAN ALSO BLOCK DURING THAT FEINT SEQUENCE.

Which bring us back to already mentioned Qoray and friends. They can't block during feints, tested many times. I'm not the player who likes to spam quick attacks, prefer held attacks. But against these players with uber fast feints, spamming fast weapons works exceptionally well to the point where they are unable to respond and die fast.

Then what is my problem when they are so easy to deal with? Well first of all, they force me to change my proffered style of play which I'm not too keen to do just because some special flower decided that using mouse macros will make him feel good playing online game. Why don't I keep my playstyle and block their attacks? Well that is the tricky part because cRPG LAGS and missing blocks is ordinary thing and really fast feints during server burp means you get hit quite a lot. I can do what Gurnisson does, make a fast build with fastest broken animation polearm and buzz around spamming it which will force macro feinters launch their mouse at their screen so their mommies will have to buy them a new monitor. I don't want to do that, not a bastard of that kind.

This is not a call to do something about these soft "cheaters", there is nothing it can be done against them. Native community is full of them but native community is a really sad place full of Shemaforash like characters which means it is beyond repair. However, would like to see cRPG community or what is left of it recognizing this issue and stop saying how they don't use macros, how it is stupid, because they do and it is their only way of killing ANYONE in this mod.

To macro feinters: you are making fool of yourselves. This is five year old mod and being good at it at this point doesn't really matters much. Only thing you accomplish is being seen as sad little people who need crutches in something so trivial like online game.

Holy fuck dude.. why is this so big deal for you? Do you think I'm going to stop playing like I want to because of your constant whining and crying. Just look at yourself and think who's making himself look like a fool and if you're saying being good doesn't matter anymore then why the fuck are you constantly trying to turn people's heads around in your favor so they wouldn't know how fucking pathethic and unskilled piece of shit of a player you are... Think about eeet.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Vibe on May 03, 2015, 01:04:48 pm
Faster and more complex feints require more spazzing and focus on doing the actual feints, which makes blocking that much harder. I don't think I've seen anyone in either cRPG or Native that I could reliably say he's using a feint macro. It's just a scrub excuse for getting rekked. Let's not forget this Leshma guy lost to ras_frenzy :lol:
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on May 03, 2015, 01:12:25 pm
I dont think that spamwhore is using macros to be honest, I think he has topped the mouse sensetivity, like phase, and all he does is 360 turns around himself.

How would sensetivity help with feinting fast? its purely timing and rightclicking, i mean you can turn faster sure but you only need to move the mouse slightly to the left to do a left swing.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on May 03, 2015, 01:15:38 pm
Still butthurt because I called you second coming of Tovi?
Not at all, Ukraine is TL:TR for me, I know he's often exagereting but he's not always wrong to questionate western media.

And you're the one that seems butthurt here. Poor of you not able to block spamwhore...he must be cheating, your thread look just like the one from Pepe except that you are serious.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Uther Pendragon on May 03, 2015, 01:22:18 pm
In today's episode of "Married with cRPG"

Quote from: Delusional yugoslavian trigender nobrainer
EVERYONE MACROS

Quote from: i don't play this mod anymore
macro? lol fkin scrub cant even play ha-ha-ha!

Quote from: some guys from across the pond
omg this pathology again

Quote from: macro incarnate
leshma pls

Quote from: vibe to the past
lets not forget our detective lost to ras "everyone autoblocks" frenzy

Quote from: rest of the community
*collective facepalm*

Stay tuned for the next episode, where "everyone macrofeints" and "everyone autoblocks" will clash against eachother!
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: cmp on May 03, 2015, 01:26:39 pm
How do people still fall for Leshma's baits? :|
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Casimir on May 03, 2015, 01:36:37 pm
We need the drama, there is nothing else left!
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: _GTX_ on May 03, 2015, 01:56:39 pm
Leshma you're such a unique individual.

PS: Atze was never one to use fast feints? Erm....... clearly you haven't played against him. He is a major feint lover.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Gnjus on May 03, 2015, 02:19:34 pm
I cant recall any fientspammer got me in fair 1v1  8-)

Because you never had a fair 1vs1.



How do people still fall for Leshma's baits? :|

Because you fail to do your job and perform a Panos on Leshma.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Leshma on May 03, 2015, 02:36:39 pm
tl;dr

Perfectly understandable. Sadly, my english knowledge isn't good enough, so I have long posts to express myself.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Akronus97 on May 03, 2015, 02:41:29 pm
How do people still fall for Leshma's baits? :|

Since servers are so empty we need something else that entertains us (which is even more retarded than eu1) :D
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: //saxon on May 03, 2015, 02:54:09 pm
Many have proven that using "macro" like feints is not needed in the slightest, Tor has proven that.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Leshma on May 03, 2015, 03:04:29 pm
I've never used macros, bitch.

You are full of shit anyway. Two years ago you told us on EU4 server how you have info from TaleWorlds that Bannerlord will start beta testing before end of that year.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Akronus97 on May 03, 2015, 03:09:30 pm
You are full of shit anyway. Two years ago you told us on EU4 server how you have info from TaleWorlds that Bannerlord will start beta testing before end of that year.

And? What is this supposed to prove?
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Rebelyell on May 03, 2015, 03:22:35 pm
And? What is this supposed to prove?
full of shit that thread is
full of shit

on serious note, if someone use feint macro just try to chamber his first atack and you will win 90% of times with ease


warband is cheater proof because on high end of skill good player will win against any shitty autoblocker macro fainter
you just cant hack footwork and timing, and that is just in 1v1 on battlefield you need very complexe et of skills to be effective
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: pogosan on May 03, 2015, 03:39:50 pm
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Porthos on May 03, 2015, 04:00:39 pm
I love trains. Let's love trains together.
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: DaveUKR on May 03, 2015, 04:14:49 pm
Lol, Leshma. Atze was probably the biggest feint user cRPG has ever seen at the time. What's the point of this thread even? If they can't block during their sequence of feints - use it to dominate them like you dominated Ras Frenzy in the duel (oh wait, you didn't). You don't even need to call people "Tovi" when you want them butthurt - call them with your name.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Kalam on May 03, 2015, 04:27:25 pm
If he beats you regularly, he's better than you.

It's hard to realize this when you're good enough at a skill that you can take a look at the competition you just lost and see exactly why and how you lost. Surely, this knowledge means I'm better, right?

Bullshit. It's your mind trying to protect your ego.

Regardless of the methods used, winning is winning.

    "The primary thing when you take a sword in your hands is your intention to cut the enemy, whatever the means. Whenever you parry, hit, spring, strike or touch the enemy's cutting sword, you must cut the enemy in the same movement. It is essential to attain this. If you think only of hitting, springing, striking or touching the enemy, you will not be able actually to cut him. More than anything, you must be thinking of carrying your movement through to cutting him. You must thoroughly research this."

 -Miyamoto Musashi

Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Leshma on May 03, 2015, 05:23:12 pm
Yeah I know Musashi, such backstabber. Playing cRPG for five years, haven't learned a word of English. True Kraut.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Qoray on May 03, 2015, 05:35:05 pm
love ya leshma <3
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Akronus97 on May 03, 2015, 05:52:18 pm
Yeah I know Musashi, such backstabber. Playing cRPG for five years, haven't learned a word of English. True Kraut.

Kraut? Since when?^^
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Leshma on May 03, 2015, 05:55:10 pm
Only time he wrote something in chat, it was in Deutsch. Maybe he's Turkling studying in Germany, you guys seem to love that.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Akronus97 on May 03, 2015, 06:06:03 pm
Only time he wrote something in chat, it was in Deutsch. Maybe he's Turkling studying in Germany, you guys seem to love that.

Just to correct you: He is from Belgium
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Simon_Belmont on May 03, 2015, 06:25:28 pm
You know, there's a lot of fun hobbies to choose from that don't involve crying for attention, Leshma: nose picking, finger counting, water tasting, nail biting, floor cleaning...

Start with something basic and work your way up from there, and maybe, in like a thousand years, you'll realize there's more things in this world than yourself. Just be sure to take your time.

Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: AwesomeHail on May 03, 2015, 06:35:20 pm
Just to correct you: He is from Belgium

probably german/french side of belgium, I don't know how much dutch swearwords I've thrown at him via chat for being such a cheeky cunt  :mrgreen:

or he has swore never to say anything
(or does not have a ''t'' and ''y'' button)
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Falka on May 03, 2015, 07:26:15 pm
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Leshma on May 03, 2015, 07:56:11 pm
Something good came out of this thread, Shemaforash started playing Warband after a long break. But I fear he won't tay long, his 10 day ban on TaleWorld forums will expire soon.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Shemaforash on May 03, 2015, 07:58:44 pm
It's a self-requested ban : )
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Rebelyell on May 03, 2015, 08:00:57 pm
Something good came out of this thread, Shemaforash started playing Warband after a long break. But I fear he won't tay long, his 10 day ban on TaleWorld forums will expire soon.
I am fucking nerd but for fuck sake

get the fucking life dude
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Leshma on May 03, 2015, 08:56:18 pm
There is a texture bug that happens rarely when ground becomes transparent. That bug is companied with other texture issues like infinite verticles bug and that makes whole picture blurry. However, because of transparent ground, despite blurry image it is actually easier to play because you can see players clearly.

If you get the whole package of visual aids, game becomes completely different beast. And I'm sure huge portion of players use those "fixed" textures.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: DaRkSouL12394 on May 03, 2015, 09:18:53 pm
I think there are players who use macros to execute ultra fast feints, but since I don't have a proof I'm not gonna point the finger at them.

im going through the pages just to see your signature again. smh.

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Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Akronus97 on May 03, 2015, 09:19:44 pm
There is a texture bug that happens rarely when ground becomes transparent. That bug is companied with other texture issues like infinite verticles bug and that makes whole picture blurry. However, because of transparent ground, despite blurry image it is actually easier to play because you can see players clearly.

If you get the whole package of visual aids, game becomes completely different beast. And I'm sure huge portion of players use those "fixed" textures.

In this context your last accusation looks kind of ridiculous
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Kalam on May 04, 2015, 02:24:42 am
- Strat, extra CD keys

- Flat foliage textures

- See-through walls

- Large pink projectiles and weapons

Only a very sad person would feel like a winner if they succeeded with any of the above.

“There is no victory in such things. I do not want to win our war like this... ...When I win, I wish it to be because I was right, my teachings true.”
- Kotor 2.

Admittedly, video games allow for 'noble' competition. It's one of their appeals, I think.

I used to heavily limit the sort of things I would use to win, in my first few years of cRPG. I never used full lateral movement regularly until last year, for instance, or much armor at all. I didn't really believe any win was a win unless I used a one handed weapon and no shield or squared off against someone like SaulCanner and later, Kaoklai.

Over time, I had less time to practice. My skills waned, and the average skill level rose, too, so I've started relying on mechanics that I once rejected.

It's still true that playing to win alone is boring.

However, it's not in my interest to suggest that a win is cheapened by using something like a feint macro- purely because the player is trading adaptability for obscurity. It still presents a challenge that I can get enjoyment out of facing. One of the joys of Warband is figuring out what patterns your opponent is using and adapting your own style to counter it- something Leshma doesn't seem to enjoy doing.

Lag is annoying, yes, but you should still beat them more times than not.

In the end, though, this is about recognition. Leshma perceives that certain players are being recognized as 'skilled' by using macros. He points out the current population, too, which is interesting because it highlights the reason this shouldn't be an issue. The population is small, the most skilled players are gone, and there isn't a lively duel tradition. There is no audience to demand this recognition from, really.

I'm going to guess and say that all you really want, Leshma, is some empathy.

So here it is: yes, they're cheating. Yes, it's shitty.

Thank Thor it's not as bad as ARMA II or, even worse, a standard MMO where balance is built around players using macros.





Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Xesta on May 04, 2015, 02:30:51 am
HOLY FUCK why didn't I become active on the forum sooner.

This drama going on here is more delicious than any drama on eu1. :^)


Please continue this thread.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Leshma on May 04, 2015, 02:41:01 am
I'm going to guess and say that all you really want, Leshma, is some empathy.

After five years and thousands of hours, I know well enough where I stand in this community and asking empathy from anyone is beyond reason at this point. I'm sorry if went over the line with harsher than permitted language, but monkey do what he see other monkeys doing and some baboons use pretty hardcore language in their posts with putrid attitude which make this chimpanzee believe he get away with similar approach.

Ultimately, cmp and Casimir are right. These forums are pretty dead and pointless discussing like this is what keep is going, maybe not in direction some would like but I see no alternatives. Could post my rant in old thread dedicated to macro feinting, which is over 20 pages long but wanted to have a fresh go at this subject. It's not like anyone use search function to post in old threads.

Also there is my desire to treat newcommers in the same way veterans were treated, like that kind of tradition. Maybe it isn't desirable at this point, but won't go against my nature. Not after so many years.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on May 04, 2015, 05:48:50 am
I find it difficult to believe that NA had a significantly smaller proportion of feint-macroing players than EU.

I only saw one guy that I was absolutely sure was feint-macroing. It wasn't at all because the feints were too good. They were nice-looking, but after weeks of getting one-hand feinted to death, I started spectating the dude a lot.

He was a fucking GOOD player without any help. But I think he was lazy, too. The feint he would do was literally identical to the next, and the next, and the next NO MATTER how long I watched him. This went on for weeks, and because we were both nerds, we were probably sharing a server 4 hours/day at least.

And that was ONE guy I EVER met on NA that I knew was feint-macroing. It didn't even make him better, either. He wouldn't use the feint technique against a truly good player, like San, or some of the semenstorm guys like Rohy. It would get him obliterated.

But he did use it against 90 percent of the server. Again, it didn't make him better, but it did make slaughtering poor players easier than normal.

So, in EU contemporarily and historically, did there exist a much higher proportion of macro'ers per capita than in NA? Because in NA, it was a rare thing.

Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Shemaforash on May 04, 2015, 05:56:56 am
I find it difficult to believe that NA had a significantly smaller proportion of feint-macroing players than EU.

I only saw one guy that I was absolutely sure was feint-macroing. It wasn't at all because the feints were too good. They were nice-looking, but after weeks of getting one-hand feinted to death, I started spectating the dude a lot.

He was a fucking GOOD player without any help. But I think he was lazy, too. The feint he would do was literally identical to the next, and the next, and the next NO MATTER how long I watched him. This went on for weeks, and because we were both nerds, we were probably sharing a server 4 hours/day at least.

And that was ONE guy I EVER met on NA that I knew was feint-macroing. It didn't even make him better, either. He wouldn't use the feint technique against a truly good player, like San, or some of the semenstorm guys like Rohy. It would get him obliterated.

But he did use it against 90 percent of the server. Again, it didn't make him better, but it did make slaughtering poor players easier than normal.

So, in EU contemporarily and historically, did there exist a much higher proportion of macro'ers per capita than in NA? Because in NA, it was a rare thing.

I'm sure a lot of players disagree with me, as proven before about macro but it is a fact that nobody relevant in warband uses macro. There may be some shit stain or somebody that is unknown using an inefficient macro that aids you if you're awful at the game. Feints are more about rhythm and feel than making a perfect sequence and you'll easily tell the beginner feints from the experienced players. Qoray, Phyrex, M, Tobi, FiSk, Peter, LeRoux, Morii, Svensken all have different styles of feinting and can be identified individually, even under an alternative. All of these players are experienced and have spent thousands of hours on dueling and reaching a point where their play style is the perfect match for them. I'm not wrong in saying that Tobi most likely has over 4000 hours spent on duel alone, whether it's alone  trying out feints, how to execute them or if it's competitively dueling with a partner. Wallhack, aimbot or texture cheating is different though since it can't be detected without an anti-cheat measure.

TL;DR: I think you're ridiculous if you're accusing someone of using macro since nobody does.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on May 04, 2015, 06:00:51 am
I'm sure a lot of players disagree with me, as proven before about macro but it is a fact that nobody relevant in warband uses macro. There may be some shit stain or somebody that is unknown using an inefficient macro that aids you if you're awful at the game. Feints are more about rhythm and feel than making a perfect sequence and you'll easily tell the beginner feints from the experienced players. Qoray, Phyrex, M, Tobi, FiSk, Peter, LeRoux, Morii, Svensken all have different styles of feinting and can be identified individually, even under an alternative. All of these players are experienced and have spent thousands of hours on dueling and reaching a point where their play style is the perfect match for them. I'm not wrong in saying that Tobi most likely has over 4000 hours spent on duel alone, whether it's alone  trying out feints, how to execute them or if it's competitively dueling with a partner. Wallhack, aimbot or texture cheating is different though since it can't be detected without an anti-cheat measure.

TL;DR: I think you're ridiculous if you're accusing someone of using macro since nobody does.

I'm rather in agreement with you, man.

I spent years on this game and encountered literally one player that was macroing. And it was because he was already very good and wanted to play 8/hr a day harvesting noobs for 5x and whoring looms without trying in the slightest.

(PROtip: this player used another autoblock on another player's account and got them banned)

I'd say one person I'm sure of using macros versus the dozens of players of astonishing skill I encountered (and got to their level, at least besides the real crazy guys like Kaoklai, Adelade when dueling, etc, never could go more than 1/3 against them) is pretty fucking low, eh? One out of absolutely thousands of unique players.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on May 04, 2015, 06:27:26 am
I know autoblockers got ban-waved a long time ago, but have people been banned for macro use in the past? I can recall tons of callout threads, but none where the supposed macro user got any ban time.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Shemaforash on May 04, 2015, 06:31:30 am
If I recall correct Qoray got banned for a short period after continuous whining from desperate players. This is for me the most silly ban I've heard of in any game I've played.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on May 04, 2015, 08:39:17 am

Its 2015 so i believe is a good time to tell some secrets.Maybe i can help any noob left out there .They are a lot of people that never really duel practice or they just autoblock. They still winning though by backpedaling or  hold attacks. Agi spam with better ping ( 30 ping with agi build and a big 2h is called skill in here.They agi build since 2011.*clap clap**).

How can you achieve this kind of feints that people think they macro? ( you should banging your head to a wall or on your keyboard when someone is feinting you and you cant get an easy hit i will talk about that later)


Those feints can be achieved by holding  block and change attack directions left to right  but you have to look down. There is something up with the animations that causes this kind of confusion . With a high agi build this affect is even more devastating. I really dont want to say who told me this. But is was late night practice dueling a lot . (Best duels late night.practice dueling late night was one of the most entertaining things about this game. I really miss that .)

So Ras why i should bang my head to a wall or to my  keyboard if someone is feinting me and i dont get an easy free hit? a ''noob'' will ask?

Well is simple. chamber. That is the point of  chamber . When you chamber they cant feint you.

So lets say that your good chamber is your left swing on his right swing. Fight starts attack-block-attack-block and your enemy feints his right attack to a left one . you block  that. the next time his is goin for that right attack you should go for a chamber he will not right attack he will feint to a left. But guess what you are goin for a chamber to his right attack*. Here is your easy free hit*. The counter for that is to hold the attack.but even while they hold and you still go for a chamber as soon as you see the attack direction if you simply twist your body at the release of the attack to the attack direction you get that easy hit. The counter to that body twist chamber to that hold attack is double chamber.  (chamber the chamber is called double chamber).



* Well after the latest agi patch it is possible that high wpf builds can do 2 attacks moves (feint) while in that time you can do just one. So even if you try to chamber you cant for that reason.
*Be careful while you try to chamber that hit and they look down to do that ''drunk'' feint dont aim for the head cause you will probably miss it.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Shemaforash on May 04, 2015, 08:52:12 am
O well, I tried  :lol:
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Vibe on May 04, 2015, 09:03:07 am
Its 2015 so i believe is a good time to tell some secrets.Maybe i can help any noob left out there .They are a lot of people that never really duel practice or they just autoblock. They still winning though by backpedaling or  hold attacks. Agi spam with better ping ( 30 ping with agi build and a big 2h is called skill in here.They agi build since 2011.*clap clap**).

How can you achieve this kind of feints that people think they macro? ( you should banging your head to a wall or on your keyboard when someone is feinting you and you cant get an easy hit i will talk about that later)


Those feints can be achieved by holding  block and change attack directions left to right  but you have to look down. There is something up with the animations that causes this kind of confusion . With a high agi build this affect is even more devastating. I really dont want to say who told me this. But is was late night practice dueling a lot . (Best duels late night.practice dueling late night was one of the most entertaining things about this game. I really miss that .)

So Ras why i should bang my head to a wall or to my  keyboard if someone is feinting me and i dont get an easy free hit? a ''noob'' will ask?

Well is simple. chamber. That is the point of  chamber . When you chamber they cant feint you.

So lets say that your good chamber is your left swing on his right swing. Fight starts attack-block-attack-block and your enemy feints his right attack to a left one . you block  that. the next time his is goin for that right attack you should go for a chamber he will not right attack he will feint to a left. But guess what you are goin for a chamber to his right attack*. Here is your easy free hit*. The counter for that is to hold the attack.but even while they hold and you still go for a chamber as soon as you see the attack direction if you simply twist your body at the release of the attack to the attack direction you get that easy hit. The counter to that body twist chamber to that hold attack is double chamber.  (chamber the chamber is called double chamber).



* Well after the latest agi patch it is possible that high wpf builds can do 2 attacks moves (feint) while in that time you can do just one. So even if you try to chamber you cant for that reason.
*Be careful while you try to chamber that hit and they look down to do that ''drunk'' feint dont aim for the head cause you will probably miss it.


lmfao, thank you leshma for invoking this (also to remind you once more you lost to this mamal)
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Ras_FrenzYYY on May 04, 2015, 09:25:27 am
lmfao, thank you leshma for invoking this (also to remind you once more you lost to this mamal)

Whats your argument?
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Bittersteel on May 04, 2015, 10:36:02 am
Whats your argument?

That you suck

>inb4 1 million 1v1 challenge
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Kadeth on May 04, 2015, 11:44:12 am
Its 2015 so i believe is a good time to tell some secrets.Maybe i can help any noob left out there .They are a lot of people that never really duel practice or they just autoblock. They still winning though by backpedaling or  hold attacks. Agi spam with better ping ( 30 ping with agi build and a big 2h is called skill in here.They agi build since 2011.*clap clap**).

How can you achieve this kind of feints that people think they macro? ( you should banging your head to a wall or on your keyboard when someone is feinting you and you cant get an easy hit i will talk about that later)


Those feints can be achieved by holding  block and change attack directions left to right  but you have to look down. There is something up with the animations that causes this kind of confusion . With a high agi build this affect is even more devastating. I really dont want to say who told me this. But is was late night practice dueling a lot . (Best duels late night.practice dueling late night was one of the most entertaining things about this game. I really miss that .)

So Ras why i should bang my head to a wall or to my  keyboard if someone is feinting me and i dont get an easy free hit? a ''noob'' will ask?

Well is simple. chamber. That is the point of  chamber . When you chamber they cant feint you.

So lets say that your good chamber is your left swing on his right swing. Fight starts attack-block-attack-block and your enemy feints his right attack to a left one . you block  that. the next time his is goin for that right attack you should go for a chamber he will not right attack he will feint to a left. But guess what you are goin for a chamber to his right attack*. Here is your easy free hit*. The counter for that is to hold the attack.but even while they hold and you still go for a chamber as soon as you see the attack direction if you simply twist your body at the release of the attack to the attack direction you get that easy hit. The counter to that body twist chamber to that hold attack is double chamber.  (chamber the chamber is called double chamber).



* Well after the latest agi patch it is possible that high wpf builds can do 2 attacks moves (feint) while in that time you can do just one. So even if you try to chamber you cant for that reason.
*Be careful while you try to chamber that hit and they look down to do that ''drunk'' feint dont aim for the head cause you will probably miss it.


wow, can an adman pls sticky this in Beginner's Help and Guides??
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: //saxon on May 04, 2015, 12:33:45 pm

Watch and learn, the message is at the end of the video
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Shemaforash on May 04, 2015, 12:37:35 pm
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Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Qoray on May 04, 2015, 10:33:38 pm
if shema kinda protects me, that must be meant serious lol
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: ArysOakheart on May 05, 2015, 08:57:22 am
One of these days Porthos, I will hit you so hard with Betsy loving, that you will love Betsy.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: Siiem on May 05, 2015, 02:54:41 pm

Watch and learn, the message is at the end of the video

I think my eyes closed, I felt a need for rice and weird aquatic life to eat... All after watching that gayness.
Title: Re: Who they think they are fooling?
Post by: //saxon on May 05, 2015, 02:57:25 pm
I think my eyes closed, I felt a need for rice and weird aquatic life to eat... All after watching that gayness.
The bait!