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Title: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: //saxon on April 12, 2015, 07:43:11 pm
I can't even execute the roll anymore, makes no sense to nerf it, on a single knockdown i can hit someone then kick them to get another free hit, 100% of the time.

Roll was one of the best changes in this mod and now you have made it completely useless pretty much, even when you roll you move no where, utter madness.

you can't even call it overpowered because it's for everyone and it saves everyone, lost your minds man..

and yes this is starting in general discussion because suggestions is dead.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Kalp on April 12, 2015, 08:00:30 pm
Good, mauls were nerfed few times, now it's time for roll  :twisted:
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: gallonigher on April 12, 2015, 08:42:19 pm
What are you talking about??  The roll works fine for me.  It's not hard at all; in fact, if it was any easier, knockdowns would be made totally pointless (like they were before the roll nerf)

It's actually still pretty useful without being overpowered and that's how it should be.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Protemus on April 12, 2015, 08:51:11 pm
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Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: //saxon on April 12, 2015, 09:17:13 pm
What are you talking about??  The roll works fine for me.  It's not hard at all; in fact, if it was any easier, knockdowns would be made totally pointless (like they were before the roll nerf)

It's actually still pretty useful without being overpowered and that's how it should be.
that's funny, i used to be able to roll 100% of the time before the nerf now i don't even bother trying because it never happens.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: WarLord on April 12, 2015, 09:20:18 pm
Give them run!
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on April 12, 2015, 09:22:01 pm
Rolling is pointless now. Whenever I get knockdown and someone rolls, I just turn my mouse slightly to the left or right and can still hit them easily.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Latvian on April 12, 2015, 09:28:09 pm
imo rolling is still easy but pretty much useless, good old times when rolling actually helped you to get away from friendly cav bumps and shit. I even used to roll down of walls in siege by accident :D
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: pogosan on April 12, 2015, 09:36:15 pm
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Thomek on April 12, 2015, 09:40:47 pm
Yeah, I also never understood why it needed a nerf :) It was an awesome feature, although I seldom pulled it off..
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Tiger on April 12, 2015, 10:04:32 pm
I think Saxon wants to glide instead of roll :p
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 12, 2015, 10:15:20 pm
100% supporting this, i can reliably pull it off vs bumps but not knockdowns. And even when its pulled off, more often than not it rolls me a miniscule distance and does jack shit for me. It's for everyone and stops cheesy bump/knockdown kills, its incredibly annoying to lie helpless on the ground, especially if you are playing well versus multiple opponents then a cav comes along and with minimal effort puts a stop to it all. So why nerf it?
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: gallonigher on April 13, 2015, 12:41:30 am
I'm shocked so many people don't like the roll now.  Even in its nerfed state, it's saved my bacon plenty of times.

Sounds like what you guys really want is to make knockdown useless.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: //saxon on April 13, 2015, 01:08:26 am
I'm shocked so many people don't like the roll now.  Even in its nerfed state, it's saved my bacon plenty of times.

Sounds like what you guys really want is to make knockdown useless.
knockdown will never be useless, roll is not automatic. plus say that next time you get team bumped over in front of 8 enemies.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Mala on April 13, 2015, 01:16:06 am
has never worked for me
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Jona on April 13, 2015, 01:18:46 am
I liked rolling a lot in its old state and didn't see why it needed to be changed. No one ever pulled it off with 100% accuracy, and the easier input allowed for people with higher pings to also make use of it. It was never a guaranteed get out of jail free card either, since rolling on hills, into walls, or into other players would never get you far enough from any threat (not to mention holding any mouse buttons/wasd during input would mess it up). However I can see how it was arguably too easy/rewarding in its prior state. From what I recall, San cut the rolling distance in half. I would have preferred to see it cut down to 75% if anything, since at 50% you can't really escape much of anything. It would be neat if there could be an addition where rolling is easy to pull off, however a failed attempt makes your character get up slower, or something along those lines, that way there is some risk involved and maybe you don't always want to attempt a roll.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on April 13, 2015, 02:44:54 am
I never had any problem to roll and still don't.
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Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 13, 2015, 03:12:46 pm


Dont break the thread, h4x0r
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: //saxon on April 13, 2015, 03:41:46 pm
What the hell
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: the real god emperor on April 13, 2015, 04:59:40 pm
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Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: karasu on April 13, 2015, 05:10:38 pm
Fixed.


Also, I like how hard to roll now is. I was getting pretty annoyed by being able to retreat safely every single time. Now it's rewarding for both sides.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Switchtense on April 13, 2015, 05:17:56 pm
that's funny, i used to be able to roll 100% of the time before the nerf now i don't even bother trying because it never happens.

Didn't know there was a nerf. And there was me thinking I turned full retard after my leave cause I just cannot roll anymore.

Good to know the problem isn't on my end :D But it still is stupid.
What is the point in nerfing something so much, that only a selected minority can pull it off properly post-nerf?

Makes as much sense as giving 20+ damage weapons only to the best 20 people.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Tiger on April 14, 2015, 02:34:35 am
Even if the roll is reverted, I will still knock you down. Roll again? I'll knock you down again =)
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: zDevilBox on April 14, 2015, 05:08:22 am
nerf nudge!!!!
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Gurnisson on April 14, 2015, 09:27:59 pm
I can still pull it off most of the time, but I can't recall a single time it has helped me after the nerf.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Casimir on April 17, 2015, 02:28:38 pm
I fully support this, with my variable ping it's almost impossible to pull off when it spikes and if I do pull it off it offers no real benefits.  I pretty much consign myself to death if knocked down by a competent player who has an understanding of the kick mechanic.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Leshma on April 17, 2015, 03:44:51 pm
Would be cool if roll was pretty much useless like it is now, but it was changed to single button activation without this Super Street Fighter Ultra mambo jumbo that Paul came up with.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 17, 2015, 03:48:04 pm
Would be cool if roll was pretty much useless like it is now, but it was changed to single button activation without this Super Street Fighter Ultra mambo jumbo that Paul came up with.

Double clicking a button is considered complicated? Sheesh. Actually, it could be slightly more convenient to use i agree, but the double click + timing does make it slightly harder to use which is imo nice, as long as it works well.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 17, 2015, 06:40:23 pm

(also, like with any controls that rely on clicking faster than other players, surely macros give an unfair advantage to current roll?)

Highly doubt anyone would use a macro for rolling, i mean double tapping a button isnt really hard...
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Leshma on April 17, 2015, 06:50:09 pm
People complained about old kick. Why they didn't change it to some button sequence to make it harder? Because it sucks, it is control scheme originating from consoles because they have limited amount of keys so have to create combo schemes to make up for it. On PC that should not exist, period.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: AwesomeHail on April 17, 2015, 06:51:36 pm
I can roll a my old friend, roll a joint, but no. I simply cannot make my character roll.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 17, 2015, 06:53:34 pm
Then why does this thread exist? But since the change some people, not necessarily you, but some are having trouble executing the roll. Turning it from a double-tap with no other keys selected into a single-key would make it easier

Well, the timing isnt too bad now, its harder but i can do it almost every bump. To me its about the distance and i-frames, because rolling barely helps now.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 17, 2015, 07:10:55 pm
Well other people (and yourself on page 1) were saying that it is now hard to do reliably vs knockdowns, as a suggestion perhaps the removal of double-tap would compensate for the smaller window and save you the fraction-of-a-second necessary to make the roll.

Can't comment on the difference in input personally since I always forget it's a feature until just *after* I've hit the ground xD i'm still too accustomed to native

Oh right, i barely ever get knocked down so i dont really consider that part, against bumps i do it all the time, but the few times i get knocked down i cant really predict the knockdown so i couldnt really do it pre-patch.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: //saxon on April 17, 2015, 07:35:40 pm
I just want to be able to atleast survive a team bump in front of an enemy, without having to double tap A or D before i even get bumped over.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: //saxon on April 27, 2015, 05:20:10 pm
Rage bump.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Penitent on April 27, 2015, 05:38:46 pm
I haven't played for like 5 months, and just starting checking out the game again.

From this player perspective, I am happy for the roll nerf.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 27, 2015, 05:54:22 pm
I haven't played for like 5 months, and just starting checking out the game again.

From this player perspective, I am happy for the roll nerf.

Why? Do you play cav? Did you ever use the roll yourself?
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Penitent on April 27, 2015, 06:01:28 pm
Why? Do you play cav? Did you ever use the roll yourself?

80% of the time I play, I'm on my main, a 1h shield dude.  I don't have a cav character right now.

I use the roll every time I get knocked down (or, I try to anyways!).

The old roll was very ...um...how you say..."silly".  It was kind of like a break-dancing tumble-fly that launched your character at high speed like 4 meters away from where you fell.  It was a little bit big-crazy.

The roll now is more reasonable.  You simply hit the ground and roll away.  Sometimes it saves you, sometimes not.  I like it better.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 27, 2015, 06:09:15 pm
80% of the time I play, I'm on my main, a 1h shield dude.  I don't have a cav character right now.

I use the roll every time I get knocked down (or, I try to anyways!).

The old roll was very ...um...how you say..."silly".  It was kind of like a break-dancing tumble-fly that launched your character at high speed like 4 meters away from where you fell.  It was a little bit big-crazy.

The roll now is more reasonable.  You simply hit the ground and roll away.  Sometimes it saves you, sometimes not.  I like it better.

Fair enough. I cant relate, as dying to bump knockdowns is more infuriating than anything, a get out of jail free card is amazing to have, and it shouldnt be a dice roll whether it works or not..
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Leshma on April 27, 2015, 06:11:09 pm
Where is your power, Vanguards? Can't influence shit these days, eh? :P
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Kafein on April 27, 2015, 06:31:41 pm
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on a single knockdown i can hit someone then kick them to get another free hit

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Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: //saxon on April 27, 2015, 06:40:43 pm
Guys everytime i see someone roll in front of me enemy or friend (you can ask gurnisson he can back me up on this) it has never saved them, i simply turn a little bit and kill them or hit them as they are standing up, it doesn't work anymore seriously now, it doesn't work. you can't evade anything when you roll now. i've seen it with my eyes.

the amount of times i have said in teamspeak that the roll is a "big fucking help now" as i have just killed someone who successfully rolled in front of me feeing sorry for them is crazy, and i shame his team-mate who was the one who bumped him down.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Gurnisson on April 27, 2015, 09:31:45 pm
If you're lucky, you'll avoid the "kick-up" with the roll, that's it for usefulness (which can help a bit if you fight a weapon with knockdown to avoid the endless cycle of knockdowns). The distance could do with a tweak, but probably shouldn't be fully reverted.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Rebelyell on April 27, 2015, 09:35:28 pm
so far it works fine  for me
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Gurnisson on April 27, 2015, 10:36:35 pm
When I searched for the word "unplayable" in this thread, I only found your post, Heskey. Useless =/= Unplayable, though I don't find it completely useless, just almost!
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 27, 2015, 10:39:26 pm
Remember how in the golden years of cRPG that everyone still says was the best there wasnt ANY roll mechanic?

And now cRPG is UNPLAYABLE because it's hard to roll and less useful than before.

Spoiled brats.

I wouldve sucked a lot of dicks to have the roll in old crpg, i just didnt know such an amazing solution could be made for bump bullshit.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: //saxon on April 28, 2015, 02:54:43 pm
it's alright heskeytime mate, next time you get team bumped 3 times in a row, in front of enemies and can't do anything about it, just read your own forum posts thinking you're achieving in life, you half a pasty.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Varadin on April 28, 2015, 03:32:12 pm
Roll is shit latelty it needs to be ported like before .
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: //saxon on April 28, 2015, 05:25:25 pm
new cRPG mechanic being made slightly more difficult to use.
It's not difficult to use, it's fucking useless.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Rebelyell on April 28, 2015, 05:42:05 pm
It's not difficult to use, it's fucking useless.
you really think so?
I know you play from FPS perspective, you just may not see situations when roll save or help you.
I thought that they went over board with that nerf but to be totally honest most of the time roll works fine for me.

On other hand old roll was the best thing that happend to crpg in years
like the fucking best, by far.

Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: //saxon on April 28, 2015, 09:29:49 pm
you really think so?
I know you play from FPS perspective, you just may not see situations when roll save or help you.
I thought that they went over board with that nerf but to be totally honest most of the time roll works fine for me.

On other hand old roll was the best thing that happend to crpg in years
like the fucking best, by far.
ye it was the best thing to happen i agree.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Apple_the_Green on April 29, 2015, 01:58:44 am
Revert nerf.
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Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: JasonPastman on April 29, 2015, 07:51:06 am
I seem to be able much more now and more consistently then before.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Corsair831 on April 30, 2015, 12:31:00 pm
that's funny, i used to be able to roll 100% of the time before the nerf now i don't even bother trying because it never happens.

Perhaps a halfway house would be a good idea; being able to roll 100% of the time with a fairly simple to master mechanic seems a bit silly. Wouldn't it be better if you could roll 50% of the time? Perhaps you are able to roll away from cavalry bumps but not knockdown from maces bumps?
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Xesta on April 30, 2015, 03:32:48 pm
Fix this crap.


People bump me on purpose and I can't save my ass anymore from those tardtrolls with this 2cm roll QQ.
Title: Re: Revert this Roll Nerf. fs
Post by: Dupre on April 30, 2015, 09:59:41 pm
Fix this crap.


People bump me on purpose and I can't save my ass anymore from those tardtrolls with this 2cm roll QQ.

http://crpg.open-sys.fr/issues/11 (http://crpg.open-sys.fr/issues/11)