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Title: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 10, 2015, 04:16:33 pm
The vast majority of "moderate" muslims hold values incompatible with my country. People like Heskeytime can call me a racist of "brown" people all they want, it's a symptom of their fucking idiocy and I give zero shits. Islam isn't a race. It's getting to the point where the word racist is thrown around so much it loses all meaning.
I interact daily with muslims of various backgrounds and "races" (including white, you stupid piece of shit), and non-"white" races that have nothing to do with islam at all. I'd say I have muslim friends but that would only confirm that I am a shitlord white supremacist in the eyes of the Something Awful Tumblr brigade (btw, have a look at the reactions to the shootings/hostage taking there. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't enraging).
I don't need to be threatened daily with death and violence to be afraid of so-called "moderate" islam. My anecdotal evidence is probably worthless, so take a look for yourselves. There are methodologically sound surveys on muslim view of many subjects, in Europe and the rest of the world. You'd have to be a complete fucking idiot not to be afraid of what "moderates" consider completely mainstream.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: LordBerenger on January 10, 2015, 04:17:42 pm
Good thing Pepe closed the thread. Sucks another 1 was opened.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 10, 2015, 04:19:03 pm
Yeah, too bad. No worries brah, you can go over to SA and circlejerk about how Charlie Hebdo was a den of racist right-winger fascists who had it coming for insulting noble POC who are mere victims of colonialist white supremacy.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: BASNAK on January 10, 2015, 04:25:48 pm
Considering you have hundreds of nationalities and ethnicities that are Muslim I don't understand why critizising Islam or Muslims is racist. You have European converts in the UK and France  and other places that are Muslim.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 10, 2015, 04:35:15 pm
You must be new to the west. It's a favorite pasttime of the extreme left (and increasingly mainstream progressives) to treat muslims as an opressed racial minority. Because...I don't know, guilt? Self-loathing? A complete lack of attachment to a communal identity because dat's racciiissss? In any case, noble POC are off limits to criticism. POC: anyone who isn't "racially" white and culturally european.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2015, 04:40:55 pm
Another video of the French police "entry":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hooKVstzbz0&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 10, 2015, 04:42:20 pm
Yeah, too bad. No worries brah, you can go over to SA and circlejerk about how Charlie Hebdo was a den of racist right-winger fascists who had it coming for insulting noble POC who are mere victims of colonialist white supremacy.

Lol SA actually thinks Charlie Hebdo is filled with right wingers?  Its well known CH satirizes everything, as all good satire SHOULD.  See the Mary/Jesus cuntapult

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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: LordBerenger on January 10, 2015, 04:43:46 pm
Yeah, too bad. No worries brah, you can go over to SA and circlejerk about how Charlie Hebdo was a den of racist right-winger fascists who had it coming for insulting noble POC who are mere victims of colonialist white supremacy.

Okay. May you, Xant, Warlord, Lombard and Wayneee find much joy with this thread.


Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 10, 2015, 04:46:00 pm
Yes Xant, we get it, if only it had been the world reknowned finnish anti-terrorist forces they probably would've gotten sniped from miles away through the wall by a squad of cloned Simo Hayha's. No one gives a shit about your "professional" opinion on this.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 10, 2015, 04:47:57 pm
Lol SA actually thinks Charlie Hebdo is filled with right wingers?  Its well known CH satirizes everything, as all good satire SHOULD.  See the Mary/Jesus cuntapult



Why do you think SA thinks that? It's not exactly a fringe opinion. The mainstream media and, of course, "academics" have been parroting it endlessly since the shootings first happened. Largely in anglo countries, but that's par for the course. Look at famously disengenuous lying piece of shit Glenn Greenwald for a good example. Or theres always the go-to apology for any islam related atrocities, good ol' Reza Aslan.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 10, 2015, 04:49:45 pm
Why do you think SA thinks that? It's not exactly a fringe opinion. The mainstream media and, of course, "academics" have been parroting it endlessly since the shootings first happened. Largely in anglo countries, but that's par for the course. Look at famous dishonest lying piece of shit Glenn Greenwald for a good example.

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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Christo on January 10, 2015, 04:50:32 pm
make it stop
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2015, 05:20:50 pm
Yes Xant, we get it, if only it had been the world reknowned finnish anti-terrorist forces they probably would've gotten sniped from miles away through the wall by a squad of cloned Simo Hayha's. No one gives a shit about your "professional" opinion on this.
No, all you need is people who aren't scared shitless and have been trained for, I don't know, two days, and it would have been much better. If you think it's only "my professional opinion", then perhaps you should find out what the actual professional of the field think. Hint: they think it was fucking awful. Which isn't a surprise. Anyone with common sense can see it was the worst entry ever, complete with them flashbanging themselves.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 10, 2015, 05:52:08 pm
Obviously stuff like this needs to be discussed as it is very relevant today. Dunno why pepe would close the thread, unless its because he doesnt agree with the things being said but that still aint a reason.

Continuing to lurk anyways.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 10, 2015, 05:53:34 pm
From the primary text of the religion of "peace":

"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Qur’an 2:191
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Qur’an 9:123
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Qur’an 9:5
“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Qur’an 3:85
“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”... Qur’an 9:30
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Qur’an 5:33
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Qur’an22:19
“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Qur’an 8:65
“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Qur’an 3:28
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Qur’an 8:12
“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Qur’an 8:60
"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers. Qur'an 8:12,
"Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.
Qur'an 4:56,
"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them. Qur'an 4:34
"I will cast terror into the hearts of infidels, so strike [them] upon the necks [behead them] and strike from them every fingertip." Qur'an 8:12
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

- "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Qur'an (2:216)
- "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."Qur'an (3:56)
- "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". Qur'an (3:151)
- "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…" Qur'an (4:76)

And, don't forget the boss:...

Mohammed promised his followers seven heavens in which:

They are to cohabit with demure virgins...as beauteous as corals and rubies...full-breasted maidens for playmates...in the gardens of delight.... They're to lie face to face on jewelled couches, and be serviced by immortal youths...young boys, their personal property, as comely as virgin pearls.... We created the houris [dancing girls] and made them virgins, carnal playmates for those on the right hand.... We are going to wed them to dark-eyed houris. The Qur'an 55:56; 55:58; 78:33; 56:12; 52:16-17, 24; 56:35-38; 52:20]
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 10, 2015, 06:00:48 pm
From the primary text of the religion of "peace":

"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Qur’an 2:191
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Qur’an 9:123
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Qur’an 9:5
“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Qur’an 3:85
“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”... Qur’an 9:30
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Qur’an 5:33
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Qur’an22:19
“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Qur’an 8:65
“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Qur’an 3:28
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Qur’an 8:12
“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Qur’an 8:60
"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers. Qur'an 8:12,
"Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.
Qur'an 4:56,
"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them. Qur'an 4:34
"I will cast terror into the hearts of infidels, so strike [them] upon the necks [behead them] and strike from them every fingertip." Qur'an 8:12
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

- "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Qur'an (2:216)
- "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."Qur'an (3:56)
- "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". Qur'an (3:151)
- "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…" Qur'an (4:76)

And, don't forget the boss:...

Mohammed promised his followers seven heavens in which:

They are to cohabit with demure virgins...as beauteous as corals and rubies...full-breasted maidens for playmates...in the gardens of delight.... They're to lie face to face on jewelled couches, and be serviced by immortal youths...young boys, their personal property, as comely as virgin pearls.... We created the houris [dancing girls] and made them virgins, carnal playmates for those on the right hand.... We are going to wed them to dark-eyed houris. The Qur'an 55:56; 55:58; 78:33; 56:12; 52:16-17, 24; 56:35-38; 52:20]

Sure is peace if everyone obeys. But not much freedoms.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 10, 2015, 06:21:42 pm
"Moderate" Islam:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/396131/i-am-not-charlie-leaked-newsroom-emails-reveal-al-jazeera-fury-over-global-support

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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Kirman on January 10, 2015, 06:44:24 pm
That awkward moment when you are muslim but the entire cRPG community has more knowledge about your religion than you do.



And ill just put it here. Why so serious right?


Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 10, 2015, 06:51:43 pm
Some choice quotes from the worthless pieces of offal over at SA:

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It just goes on and on. A bunch of sheltered college bundle of stickss and stupid cunts living in 99+% "white" neighborhoods, who spend their time scouring the media for "problematic" content indicating the awful racism and misoginy in western culture, will at the drop of a fucking hat defend one of the most ridiculously conservative pro-theocratic ACTUALLY PATRIARCHIC religions on the planet. This is why I don't consider myself a liberal anymore, at least in the american sense.

Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Molly on January 10, 2015, 07:04:29 pm
Leaving this here...
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2015, 07:05:58 pm
That awkward moment when you are muslim but the entire cRPG community has more knowledge about your religion than you do.
That awkward moment when you still believe in fairy tales and are proud to admit it. Time to upgrade your thinking to the 21st century and stop worshipping a made up sky daddy.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 10, 2015, 07:06:45 pm
That woman is obviously a racist.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Turkhammer on January 10, 2015, 07:08:56 pm
What is SA?
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 10, 2015, 07:10:20 pm
Something Awful, a refuge for 16-20 teenage angst marxism posters and self hating twenty somethings leftists who are unemployed/in menial jobs and want the society they havent succeded in to crumble around them. Also they are universally mentally ill. The scary part is I'm not really exaggerating.
As an example, Smoothrich and his ilk are all originally goons, i.e from SA.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 10, 2015, 08:01:04 pm
Bill Donohue on Charlie Hebdo:

http://www.catholicleague.org/muslims-right-angry/

Look at that horseshoe just close in on itself. Raging marxists and demagogue christians united at last!
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Leshma on January 10, 2015, 08:03:04 pm
Something Awful, a refuge for 16-20 teenage angst marxism posters and self hating twenty somethings leftists who are unemployed/in menial jobs and want the society they havent succeded in to crumble around them. Also they are universally mentally ill. The scary part is I'm not really exaggerating.
As an example, Smoothrich and his ilk are all originally goons, i.e from SA.

Hey Oberyn, can you borrow me five bucks? That place seems like somewhere I belong but I'm kinda short on cash, being a jobless bum and stuff ya know :wink:
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Torben on January 10, 2015, 08:08:09 pm
Bill Donohue on Charlie Hebdo:

http://www.catholicleague.org/muslims-right-angry/

Look at that horseshoe just close in on itself. Raging marxists and demagogue christians united at last!

thats kinda like showing understanding  for a guy being lynched by hooligans for making fun of their favored team. damn sad to see how many idiots are allowed to reach people by publishing shit via the internet.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2015, 08:17:54 pm
thats kinda like showing understanding  for a guy being lynched by hooligans for making fun of their favored team. damn sad to see how many idiots are allowed to reach people by publishing shit via the internet.
Except that the team would be a real, existing thing.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Umbra on January 10, 2015, 08:42:38 pm
Monitoring
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: BASNAK on January 10, 2015, 08:58:37 pm
From the primary text of the religion of "peace":

Okay Loumbard. I went through the verses you just posted. I am not trying to defend Islam here, but if people are going to make shit up with the intention to make all Muslims seem like a threat that must be purged I can't just stand idly by. The way these verses are presented are skewed and taken out of context and completely misunderstood.  I went through a bunch of them, not all though because it took me too much time doing this shit. I have spent countless hours watching discussions and discussing my self with Muslims regarding issues with Islam and Quran verses, but atleast we fucking look up our sources and do not make shit up to fit some agenda.

I'll present it with your quote first and then what it actually says in the Quran with red, and sometimes I even added a comment afterwards.

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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 10, 2015, 09:01:01 pm
Defending the indefensible
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: BASNAK on January 10, 2015, 09:02:34 pm
Very good Loumbard. You just keep posting shit like qoutes and verses and don't even control your sources. I spend time looking up your shit just to find it is incorrect and skewed. And what do you do? You just ignore and fucking post more shit.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Teeth on January 10, 2015, 09:17:34 pm
I love how on the news today this event was covered for about 15 minutes straight, and right after about 30 seconds were devoted to 2.000 Nigerians that were killed by Islamist movement Boko Haram.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 10, 2015, 09:20:29 pm
I love how on the news today this event was covered for about 15 minutes straight, and right after about 30 seconds were devoted to 2.000 Nigerians that were killed by Islamist movement Boko Haram.

shhhh you're not supposed to say that
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Moncho on January 10, 2015, 09:23:26 pm
BASNAK, your common sense has no place in this thread, this is just a circlejerk, you don't fit here.

I love how on the news today this event was covered for about 15 minutes straight, and right after about 30 seconds were devoted to 2.000 Nigerians that were killed by Islamist movement Boko Haram.
Duh people care, but only of those that they want, those africans don't matter, if you asked, lots of people could only tell you that Nigeria is probably a country in Africa, no idea about much more.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 10, 2015, 09:25:05 pm
BASNAK, your common sense has no place in this thread, this is just a circlejerk, you don't fit here.
Duh people care, but only of those that they want, those africans don't matter, if you asked, lots of people could only tell you that Nigeria is probably a country in Africa, no idea about much more.

Who cares, Islam is peace according to the apologists.

http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/news/national-news/193400-escape-from-boko-haram-i-kept-stepping-on-dead-bodies (http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/news/national-news/193400-escape-from-boko-haram-i-kept-stepping-on-dead-bodies)

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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 10, 2015, 09:45:56 pm
Duh people care, but only of those that they want, those africans don't matter, if you asked, lots of people could only tell you that Nigeria is probably a country in Africa, no idea about much more.

Oh my, of course, how could I have not seen it?! The answer is once again "RACISTS!". Because no one has ever heard of Boko Haram before. The internet totally didn't blow up about it with the whole "Bring back our girls" thing. The only reason no one is talking about them now is because they're africans, and everyone knows africans are worthless inferiors, yes.  It's not because this type of shit happens there ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
Hey did you not here about yet another suicide bombing in Pakistan? http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/09/us-pakistan-explosion-idUSKBN0KI20420150109
WHAT ARE YOU, RACIST? DO YOU NOT CARE ABOUT PAKISTANIS?
Stupid fucking cunt. Go ahead and make a thread then. Oh, what? You only cared about this insofar as you could use it to suggest slyly other people are racists? What a surprise.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Teeth on January 10, 2015, 10:06:04 pm
I mentioned it because I think the overreaction to events such as these is huge. That is really the only threat that terrorism poses to Western society. The willingness of governments to take measures that sacrifice fundamental Western values like freedom and privacy as a reaction to terrorism, without these measures having any significant impact on the threat of an attack. The overreaction to terrorism makes terrorism an effective weapon.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Kafein on January 10, 2015, 10:14:26 pm
I love how on the news today this event was covered for about 15 minutes straight, and right after about 30 seconds were devoted to 2.000 Nigerians that were killed by Islamist movement Boko Haram.

I know right, those things happen like every month anyway.

The Charlie Hebdo attack is a much more powerful symbol. 4 of the victims were in the top ten of French language satire. It's extremely obvious the only target was freedom of speech. That's why this attack gets even more attention than random public transport bombings in western countries. That's also why this is an important subject for debate. Some people just plainly don't understand the value of freedom of speech. That is a major problem and without this event most other people would not be aware of that. With the mixed reactions it becomes increasingly obvious that political correctness is a disease that needs to be dealt with.

I mentioned it because I think the overreaction to events such as these is huge. That is really the only threat that terrorism poses to Western society. The willingness of governments to take measures that sacrifice fundamental Western values like freedom and privacy as a reaction to terrorism, without these measures having any significant impact on the threat of an attack. The overreaction to terrorism makes terrorism an effective weapon.

I think that the "great" thing about this event is that the issue of freedom of speech overshadows everything else. Whereas when random people die the only way to make an interesting story for the media is via fear mongering. In this case, the widespread support is all about freedom. It's not an overreaction.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 10, 2015, 10:15:44 pm
What is the proper reaction?  Forget stepping over the line, we're no where close to it.  Can't screen, can't profile.  Any potential solution is categorized as over-reactive and nothing ends up being done.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 10, 2015, 10:23:53 pm
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo/minute-de-silence-pour-charlie-hebdo-la-difficile-tache-des-profs-dans-certains-colleges_792855.html

For pepe. Minute of silence in high schools turns extremely predictable for anyone who's actually been to a public high school in the past decade or so.
Enjoy it when your kids are gonna get in there, it's gonna be just a fantastic adventure of tolerance and harmony.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Kafein on January 10, 2015, 10:34:51 pm
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo/minute-de-silence-pour-charlie-hebdo-la-difficile-tache-des-profs-dans-certains-colleges_792855.html

For pepe. Minute of silence in high schools turns extremely predictable for anyone who's actually been to a public high school in the past decade or so.
Enjoy it when your kids are gonna get in there, it's gonna be just a fantastic adventure of tolerance and harmony.

This, this is gold. This needs to be reported far and wide.

By the way I don't know where pepe lives exactly, but I can feel the pain if he's unlucky. In Belgium we used to be able to choose schools freely and it's still somewhat true despite a five year constant law change circus that isn't even over.

By the way while we're at it, don't you find it hilarious how the American SJWs seem to have no idea about Charlie Hebdo's comics which weren't related to Islam? Strange right?
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Utrakil on January 10, 2015, 10:37:14 pm
BASNAK you just became my personal forum hero!
Even facing total ignorance you take the time to confront stupidity with knowledge.
WHat makes a hero is him fighting a fight unlikely to be won.
This is what you do.
I salut.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: WarLord on January 10, 2015, 10:38:34 pm
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo/minute-de-silence-pour-charlie-hebdo-la-difficile-tache-des-profs-dans-certains-colleges_792855.html

For pepe. Minute of silence in high schools turns extremely predictable for anyone who's actually been to a public high school in the past decade or so.
Enjoy it when your kids are gonna get in there, it's gonna be just a fantastic adventure of tolerance and harmony.

Could you please elaborate this for non-french speakers?
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 10, 2015, 10:39:13 pm
This, this is gold. This needs to be reported far and wide.

By the way I don't know where pepe lives exactly, but I can feel the pain if he's unlucky. In Belgium we used to be able to choose schools freely and it's still somewhat true despite a five year constant law change circus that isn't even over.

By the way while we're at it, don't you find it hilarious how the American SJWs seem to have no idea about Charlie Hebdo's comics which weren't related to Islam? Strange right?

Indeed.  Good satirists hit all targets (Christian, Jewish, etc), yet there's a portion of people in this country angry at Charlie Hebdo's depictions of Muhammad etc.

This sums up US media pretty good

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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Kafein on January 10, 2015, 10:40:21 pm
Could you please elaborate this for non-french speakers?

Basically some high-school students disturb the minute of silence because they think the attack against Charlie Hebdo was justified.

Indeed.  Good satirists hit all targets (Christian, Jewish, etc), yet there's a portion of people in this country angry at Charlie Hebdo's depictions of Muhammad etc.

This sums up US media pretty good

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There's a very obvious rift between freedom of speech in France and "freedom of speech" in the US. I'd wager France is of the most "extremist" states in the world in that regard (i.e. most republican in the French sense). Satirical comics used to be way, way more hardcore though, even in France.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 10, 2015, 10:41:44 pm
Basically some high-school students disturb the minute of silence because they think the attack against Charlie Hebdo was justified.

Were there any punishments for the kids?  Seems appropriate given the context.  That shouldn't be tolerated.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Teeth on January 10, 2015, 10:44:01 pm
The Charlie Hebdo attack is a much more powerful symbol. 4 of the victims were in the top ten of French language satire. It's extremely obvious the only target was freedom of speech. That's why this attack gets even more attention than random public transport bombings in western countries. That's also why this is an important subject for debate. Some people just plainly don't understand the value of freedom of speech. That is a major problem and without this event most other people would not be aware of that. With the mixed reactions it becomes increasingly obvious that political correctness is a disease that needs to be dealt with.

I think that the "great" thing about this event is that the issue of freedom of speech overshadows everything else. Whereas when random people die the only way to make an interesting story for the media is via fear mongering. In this case, the widespread support is all about freedom. It's not an overreaction.
Yes, agreed, I like the aspect of 'freedom of speech' that can be connected to this, but there's still a lot of room for fear-mongering and populist rhetoric at least in the coverage of my country. This grants terrorists a much more impactful weapon than the real physical threat should merit. My usage of the term overreaction was referring to terrorism as a whole and not specifically this incident, but with half of Europe being on high alert and flooding the streets with armed personnel it is heading towards it.

What is the proper reaction?  Forget stepping over the line, we're no where close to it.  Can't screen, can't profile.  Any potential solution is categorized as over-reactive and nothing ends up being done.
Mourn and then let it slide, relativize without trivializing. There have been like 250 deaths to terrorism in Europe in the past ten years, there is no significant threat. The fear-mongering is entirely disproportionate and the attention politicians and media give to terrorism is the only reason it is worthwhile for terrorists.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 10, 2015, 10:47:18 pm
Mourn and then let it slide, relativize without trivializing.

Won't it just happen again?  Islamists consider this weakness and have exploited this inaction; they know the west isn't going to do squat.

Note I'm not suggesting the elimination of freedoms as was done in America...but for fucks sake it was known where the attackers were trained prior to the attacks.  At the very least, they should have been barred from reentering the country.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Kafein on January 10, 2015, 10:53:21 pm
Were there any punishments for the kids?  Seems appropriate given the context.

Probably. That's irrelevant anyway. It's revolting that young people going to school end up being so fucked up.

Yes, agreed, I like the aspect of 'freedom of speech' that can be connected to this, but there's still a lot of room for fear-mongering and populist rhetoric at least in the coverage of my country. This grants terrorists a much more impactful weapon than the real physical threat should merit. My usage of the term overreaction was referring to terrorism as a whole and not specifically this incident, but with half of Europe being on high alert and flooding the streets with armed personnel it is heading towards it.

Mourn and then let it slide, relativize without trivializing. There have been like 250 deaths to terrorism in Europe in the past ten years, there is no significant threat. The fear-mongering is entirely disproportionate and the attention politicians and media give to terrorism is the only reason it is worthwhile for terrorists.

Yeah, I wrote about that a little bit too. The only impact terrorism can have on our society is to convince us to curb our own freedoms for the sake of "security", real or imaginary.

Won't it just happen again?  Islamists consider this weakness and have exploited this inaction; they know the west isn't going to do squat.

It's exactly the opposite, the only thing they want is a reaction. A reaction sustains the conflict. The conflict sustains bigots on both sides of the fence. Besides, it's already hard as balls to do a terror attack.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: LordBerenger on January 10, 2015, 10:53:54 pm
BASNAK you just became my personal forum hero!
Even facing total ignorance you take the time to confront stupidity with knowledge.
WHat makes a hero is him fighting a fight unlikely to be won.
This is what you do.
I salut.

Bit stupid imo. He's just feeding them so they can continue to shove down their opinions on him/others.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 10, 2015, 11:02:49 pm
Probably. That's irrelevant anyway. It's revolting that young people going to school end up being so fucked up.

Yeah, I wrote about that a little bit too. The only impact terrorism can have on our society is to convince us to curb our own freedoms for the sake of "security", real or imaginary.

It's exactly the opposite, the only thing they want is a reaction. A reaction sustains the conflict. The conflict sustains bigots on both sides of the fence. Besides, it's already hard as balls to do a terror attack.

Seemed easy enough given the police response.  Islamists truly believe that they have the God given right to kill people they don't agree with.  Furthermore its tough to ignore away bullets and explosives.

The question remains as to how to deal with this problem without becoming like a certain nation that flushed its freedoms down the toilet.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Kafein on January 10, 2015, 11:06:55 pm
Like we deal with organized crime. It's essentially the same thing, with the same financial weaknesses.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 10, 2015, 11:18:32 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR4Na1Rshjo
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Xant on January 10, 2015, 11:22:13 pm
Besides, it's already hard as balls to do a terror attack.
It really isn't. It's extremely easy to do fuck tons of damage if you're intelligent at all. Which means the Muslim terrorists offer little threat. Relatively few of them are willing to throw their lives away to make a shitty point anyway, or we'd be seeing a LOT more of these attacks. Like you say, the only thing they can achieve from these attacks is attention and the West fucking itself up with restrictions on everything and taking away freedoms from their own citizens.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 10, 2015, 11:28:29 pm
Bit stupid imo. He's just feeding them so they can continue to shove down their opinions on him/others.

You're welcome to "shove" back with your own opinions. Oh wait they can be basically be resumed by "URRR RACIST". Maybe you could start yet another thread, this one is just full of problematic wrongthink.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 10, 2015, 11:33:36 pm
It really isn't. It's extremely easy to do fuck tons of damage if you're intelligent at all. Which means the Muslim terrorists offer little threat. Relatively few of them are willing to throw their lives away to make a shitty point anyway, or we'd be seeing a LOT more of these attacks. Like you say, the only thing they can achieve from these attacks is attention and the West fucking itself up with restrictions on everything and taking away freedoms from their own citizens.

Didn't one of the cartoonists let them into the office?  That's really easy then
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: LordBerenger on January 10, 2015, 11:43:23 pm
You're welcome to "shove" back with your own opinions. Oh wait they can be basically be resumed by "URRR RACIST". Maybe you could start yet another thread, this one is just full of problematic wrongthink.

I won't put fuel into the fire...although i kinda am by posting in this thread. Derp
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: sF_Guardian on January 11, 2015, 12:07:02 am
After all everyone who smokes cigarettes is a member of a far more impactful terroristic group than any islamist...
Guess we should start droning ppl who smoke.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 11, 2015, 12:09:38 am
After all everyone who smokes cigarettes is a member of a far more impactful terroristic group than any islamist...
Guess we should start droning ppl who smoke.

We do that already through cig taxes
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: sF_Guardian on January 11, 2015, 12:10:44 am
We do that already through cig taxes

How can you compare taxing stuff to killing people?
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 11, 2015, 12:13:12 am
How can you compare taxing stuff to killing people?

The only one suggesting drone strikes is you
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: sF_Guardian on January 11, 2015, 12:16:14 am
The only one suggesting drone strikes is you

Just wanted to point out that there are far more dangerous treats than radical islamists, mostly created by ourselves.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 11, 2015, 12:20:44 am
Just wanted to point out that there are far more dangerous treats than radical islamists, mostly created by ourselves.

Never seen a cigarette driven to kill innocents in the name of Allah.

That is some strong shit you're on btw
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Kafein on January 11, 2015, 12:21:57 am
It really isn't. It's extremely easy to do fuck tons of damage if you're intelligent at all. Which means the Muslim terrorists offer little threat. Relatively few of them are willing to throw their lives away to make a shitty point anyway, or we'd be seeing a LOT more of these attacks. Like you say, the only thing they can achieve from these attacks is attention and the West fucking itself up with restrictions on everything and taking away freedoms from their own citizens.

I agree it's possible to do a lot of damage with time, knowledge and creativity. But by the nature of terror cells, all those things are very difficult for them. Furthermore, doing actual damage is often not the point, as any kind of attack will get a reaction. It's important to kill in a dramatic and symbolic way, otherwise they'd be blowing up bridges.

How can you compare taxing stuff to killing people?

There's no fundamental difference. They end up dead anyway.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: sF_Guardian on January 11, 2015, 12:22:05 am
Never seen a cigarette driven to kill innocents in the name of Allah.

That is some strong shit you're on btw

Still the number of ppl dieing to terrorists is much lower than ppl dieing to passive smoking, just sayin man.
I wouldn't give those terrorists that much attention, after all it's all they want.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 11, 2015, 12:28:42 am
Still the number of ppl dieing to terrorists is much lower than ppl dieing to passive smoking, just sayin man.
I wouldn't give those terrorists that much attention, after all it's all they want.

Doesn't look like anybody is ignoring them now.  700,000+ marchers and a mass rally planned

If anything, the attacks had the exact opposite effect.  I don't think this is fear.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Turkhammer on January 11, 2015, 12:39:14 am
Won't it just happen again?  Islamists consider this weakness and have exploited this inaction; they know the west isn't going to do squat.

Note I'm not suggesting the elimination of freedoms as was done in America...but for fucks sake it was known where the attackers were trained prior to the attacks.  At the very least, they should have been barred from reentering the country.

Name the freedoms lost in America. Be specific please.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: AntiBlitz on January 11, 2015, 12:41:36 am
Name the freedoms lost in America. Be specific please.

lol none, lombard is a tinfoil hat child with anti-america views, he is literally what Oberyn explains in his post about the explanation of an SA .

Giving lombard attention in a thread stimulates 6k posts about the most random topics, just skip over his posts any time you see them.

Something Awful, a refuge for 16-20 teenage angst marxism posters and self hating twenty somethings leftists who are unemployed/in menial jobs and want the society they havent succeded in to crumble around them. Also they are universally mentally ill. The scary part is I'm not really exaggerating.
As an example, Smoothrich and his ilk are all originally goons, i.e from SA.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Leshma on January 11, 2015, 12:45:18 am
The question remains as to how to deal with this problem without becoming like a certain nation that flushed its freedoms down the toilet.

Bin Laden types are hard to track, that requires serious intelligence work. But for those who blow up themselves and kill people like these two did two days ago, it is rather easy and regular police can do it. Just monitor those miserable types among muslim population, 15-40 years old, without children and any reasonable future. There are a lot of them but it is better to put extra funds to make sure this doesn't happen again than to let people die because you can't budget the operation.

Muslims are making this harder than it should be, even though they deny it. They stick together, like a clan in cRPG when a bad seed member is acting like a douche and everybody is standing by his side. If they openly denounced those potential terrorist who are already involved in criminal activity on Parisian streets it would be easier for the police and no one would brand it as anti-mulim or anti-muslim actions but action against dysfunctional members of society which it essentially is.

Condemning crimes is not enough. Muslims in Europe should openly stand against violence and condemn those among them who are sociopaths. Only that way they will not be branded as religion of hatred and wrong values.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: BASNAK on January 11, 2015, 12:47:46 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/10/lassana-bathily_n_6448500.html

Muslim helped hide several people in the Kosher Super Market
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 11, 2015, 12:51:24 am
lol none, lombard is a tinfoil hat child with anti-america views, he is literally what Oberyn explains in his post about the explanation of an SA .

Giving lombard attention in a thread stimulates 6k posts about the most random topics, just skip over his posts any time you see them.

I'm not anti American, but their government is guilty of warrant less searches.  Or did all of that stuff revealed by Snowden sail past your head

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/10/lassana-bathily_n_6448500.html

Muslim helped hide several people in the Kosher Super Market


Interesting.  Why is there no condemnation of this?
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: AntiBlitz on January 11, 2015, 12:55:32 am
I'm not anti American, but their government is guilty of warrant less searches.  Or did all of that stuff revealed by Snowden sail past your head

snowden is a faithless, loyaless cunt with no integrity.  If snowden walked infront of me, i would hang him from my front tree with the finest fucking rope in my garage, fuck snowden. 

He was entrusted with information meant to keep people safe, you have literally not a fucking clue if you think a tiddly little bit of information snowden leaked was some sort of country breaking material.  Please step back and put your tinfoil hat back on. 

warrantless searches lol, fucking lol.

Should have stuck to my own rule, and skipped over your comment.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 11, 2015, 12:58:42 am
snowden is a faithless, loyaless cunt with no integrity.  If snowden walked infront of me, i would hang him from my front tree with the finest fucking rope in my garage, fuck snowden. 

He was entrusted with information meant to keep people safe, you have literally not a fucking clue if you think a tiddly little bit of information snowden leaked was some sort of country breaking material.  Please step back and put your tinfoil hat back on. 


Should have stuck to my own rule, and skipped over your comment.

Not sure if you realized, but the whole stint of anti Americanism months back was to get a rouse of out people.  I was deservedly muted for trolling.  On this issue I'm totally serious as people have died.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Vovka on January 11, 2015, 01:01:08 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/10/lassana-bathily_n_6448500.html

Muslim helped hide several people in the Kosher Super Market

he wanted to eat them later, when the siege would be too long
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Angantyr on January 11, 2015, 01:32:24 am
snowden is a faithless, loyaless cunt with no integrity.  If snowden walked infront of me, i would hang him from my front tree with the finest fucking rope in my garage, fuck snowden. 

He was entrusted with information meant to keep people safe, you have literally not a fucking clue if you think a tiddly little bit of information snowden leaked was some sort of country breaking material.  Please step back and put your tinfoil hat back on. 

warrantless searches lol, fucking lol.

Should have stuck to my own rule, and skipped over your comment.
What NSA has been doing is entirely unconstitutional, any patriot should be supporting shedding light on government agencies breaking the 4th amendment, if it takes whistleblowing or not.

A nationalist, nonpartisan overview of the implications of the NSA leak I would recommend to anyone: http://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-258-snow-storm/
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Turkhammer on January 11, 2015, 02:03:04 am

he wanted to eat them later, when the siege would be too long

Haha, funny, for a Russian.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 11, 2015, 02:06:42 am
"March against terrorism"...with the Turks?  Doesn't that country harbor Muslim terrorists?  Last I checked, Erdogan hates the West

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/553870526637416448 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/553870526637416448)

edit: fixed link
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: AntiBlitz on January 11, 2015, 02:28:37 am
What NSA has been doing is entirely unconstitutional, any patriot should be supporting shedding light on government agencies breaking the 4th amendment, if it takes whistleblowing or not.

A nationalist, nonpartisan overview of the implications of the NSA leak I would recommend to anyone: http://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-258-snow-storm/

thats up to interpretation,

sometimes some things are done for the betterment of our country, and if it means the security and peace of mind that my family can put faith in and trust the government to keep us safe, then i dont care.    The only people who cared about snowden are the liberals, anybody else with common sense already knew it was happening and didnt care.  Thats my two cents on the matter, just like good ol' Cheney said, "id do it again in a minute."  It was a media storm anyways, a complete over exaggeration like all media, as if big brother cared about what some fucking soccer mom in Kansas was saying in a telephone statement to her pencil pusher husband anyways.

If it was so patriotic of him to do it, why is the treasonous cunt hiding in the midst of Russia giving them information, very patriotic man he is.

http://time.com/3632875/dick-cheney-cia-interrogations-senate-report/

Im aware this is unrelated to snowden, but it correlates to national security and snowden entirely. 
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 11, 2015, 02:31:15 am
good ol' Cheney

And you're accusing me of bullshitting after typing shit like this, lol

Profiling with warrants I can understand, but going after every single citizen of a country as if they were a Muslim terrorist is ludicrous.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Casimir on January 11, 2015, 01:33:27 pm
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha you guys are a fucking shameful, sort your shit out before you go outside.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Tibe on January 11, 2015, 01:51:38 pm
If it was so patriotic of him to do it, why is the treasonous cunt hiding in the midst of Russia giving them information, very patriotic man he is.

What info has he given? I dont think he gave much anything to the russians, or gave a little bit that barely even scratches the surface. Correct me if im wrong thou. I mean, where else could he have gone, but Russia? The only country on planet earth that flips US off nonstop and isnt a complete craphole(althou still a craphole) is Russia. So obviously if you pissed off the US you would go there. I think even China would have extradited him.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 12, 2015, 12:35:14 pm
Today will be important in germany. Let's see how much support Pediga gets in Leipzig, 7 anti-demonstrations are planned.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: jtobiasm on January 12, 2015, 12:44:20 pm
"islam is a religion of peace"
bollockssssssssssssss
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: LordBerenger on January 12, 2015, 12:44:50 pm
Today will be important in germany. Let's see how much support Pediga gets in Leipzig, 7 anti-demonstrations are planned.


First they came for the Muslims
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Muslim
Then they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew
Then they came for the Blacks
and I did not speak out
because I was not Black
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Umbra on January 12, 2015, 12:48:02 pm
Then i came on them.
A mountain of jizz i came.
And there was no one left.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 12, 2015, 12:52:34 pm
To your information, this lediga demonstration is really fascist, look their paper: https://legida.eu/position.html

And like i said here black on white, anti-USA/NATO, anti EU, pro-Russia and nationalist is melted into some strange pot.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: BASNAK on January 12, 2015, 01:04:58 pm
http://www.vice.com/en_se/read/how-the-muslim-communities-of-europe-reacted-to-the-charlie-hebdo-massacre-184?utm_source=vicefbswe
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Overdriven on January 12, 2015, 01:29:12 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/10/lassana-bathily_n_6448500.html

Muslim helped hide several people in the Kosher Super Market

One of the cops who died was Muslim as well...

From BBC:
Ahmed Merabet, policeman
Arriving at the scene of the attack, the 42-year-old opened fire on the gunmen but was injured in the exchange, Le Figaro writes.

Tributes to Ahmed Merabet near where he was gunned down on Boulevard Richard Lenoir in Paris, 7 January 2015
Ahmed Merabet had just been promoted to the Judicial Police
Then, as he lay on the ground, a gunman shot him in the head from close range, in an act captured on amateur video.

He was a Muslim - a fact picked up by bloggers seeking to defend the community against "terrorist" slurs.

The hash tag #JeSuisAhmed (I am Ahmed) is being circulated on social media in his memory. "In your memory we won't allow people hurt and insult your Muslim community because of this terrorist act. You're a hero," wrote one tweeter.

He had just been promoted to the Judicial Police. Police union rep Rocco Contento described Mr Merabet as "someone very discreet and conscientious".

According to his brother Malek, Mr Merabet was "Muslim, and very proud of being a police officer and defending the values of the Republic".

He had worked hard to look after his mother and family over the last 20 years, his brother added.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Xant on January 12, 2015, 02:16:56 pm
So what if one of the cops was Muslim? Do you think he was sent a memo of the attack beforehand, "yo bro, this here is gonna be a Muslim attack in the name of Allah, steer clear"? I would wager a guess that no, he wasn't, so he was just responding to a crime being committed by two armed, masked gunmen...
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 12, 2015, 04:05:17 pm
Just leaving this here:

visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Apparently he was at home watching hand egg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2905678/America-snubs-historic-Paris-rally-Holder-skipped-early-Kerry-India-Obama-Biden-just-stayed-home-leave-no-U-S-presence-anti-terror-march-joined-global-leaders.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2905678/America-snubs-historic-Paris-rally-Holder-skipped-early-Kerry-India-Obama-Biden-just-stayed-home-leave-no-U-S-presence-anti-terror-march-joined-global-leaders.html)
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: BASNAK on January 12, 2015, 05:35:50 pm
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-imams-in-germany-to-stand-guard-in-front-of-media-buildings-in-solidary-against-terror.aspx?pageID=238&nID=76791&NewsCatID=393
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Xant on January 12, 2015, 05:52:18 pm
It's a good thing Obama didn't join a retarded, pointless anti-terror march. Or if anything, that march is playing into the hands of the fundamentalists, showing that they have the power to mobilize millions of people and world leaders with simple actions.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 12, 2015, 06:10:21 pm
It's a good thing Obama didn't join a retarded, pointless anti-terror march. Or if anything, that march is playing into the hands of the fundamentalists, showing that they have the power to mobilize millions of people and world leaders with simple actions.

He can launch handeggs at them from F22's

Whether the march is useless or not (and I'm with you that it won't stop Muslim terror), his absence still shows a lack of class.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Angantyr on January 12, 2015, 08:43:07 pm
(click to show/hide)
It wasn't just liberals at all, many non-partisans and many former state security/intelligence agency guys with no-nonsense, old school conservative track records, libertarians etc. When the principle of seperation of powers and civil rights are concerned the red vs blue football match politics are in general suspended. Sad to see though, many Republicans and Conservatives giving up constitution-given fundamental civil rights on the premise of some terror witch hunt experts (including top CIA analysts) and history have well-demonstrated isn't really effective at all but is in fact the main reason why terror is even effective; it enables politicians to enact all kinds of extrajudicial laws that in reality mainly suppresses the people it's ostensibly protecting.

Hebeas corpus is an ancient custom to protect citizens against government abuse (which happens all the time btw. just look at the ridiculous official record). Even the authoritarian Romans had it (some great examples in the New Testament at the trials of Paulus/Saulus where even a poor Christian Jew troublemaker on the fringes of the Empire could have this right respected by Roman soldiers of the local garrison with almost state-religious zeal).
It is a bearing, fundamental right in Western democracies, the absence of which we have often scorned as a basic principle for dictatorships and fascim - an often lauded ruling principle in free societies Western peoples have traditionally fought for at least since the Middle Ages (Magna Carta and the English Common Law which most our judicial systems are based on). It's an integral part of civil rights, Western values that has made our societies some of the most progressive, advanced and free in the history of the world.

It's not only used for terror prevention, in fact there's been next to no results from the increased surveillance, I'd recommend you go look it up, only confirmed case last I looked was some guy who had mailed a few thousand dollars back to some organization in Africa on someone's terrorlist. Remaining cases are from good old fashioned police work. Mostly it's used by other agencies, like the FBI or the DEA, so personal information trickles down the system outside the law and the proper course through the courts and agencies can prosecute and imprison even kill people without fair trial or trial at all. It's used a whole lot in the 'war on drugs', but is also a whole lot about controlling domestic dissent ie. the many political cases against whistleblowers, people filming animal abuse in meat factories, Occupy Wallstreet, 'eco terrorists', activists in general, internet piracy, political blackmailling and of course economic spying for sectors of industry. Intentions notwithstanding, in practical use it has very little to do with our security, I'm afraid.

And no, I'm not doing anything wrong either that I'm afraid the government might see, but I would sure as hell not like my personal emails or pictures or whatever by looked at by some random stranger, private photos of my girlfriend or private letters to an old friend or whatnot. I think the classic analogy with having government surveillance in your bathroom is pretty fitting; no, you don't have anything to hide while in your bathroom but you'd still prefer your privacy, right?

Another point is the lack of transparency and supervision (seperation of powers, remember Montesquieu?) within the official organs (aka FISA courts), and when government officials again and again are lying to the public on these matters as proven by the leak. And no, our personal data isn't just for high ranking, high sec officials to use when low-ranking guys like Snowden had full access.

If you by some chance and against a terrible track record blindly believe your government officials to not abuse the system imagine such a powerful surveillance state apparatus fall into the hands of a (Western-style) tyrant.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 12, 2015, 08:59:51 pm
haha, I think it's great this Bathily guy was not present when calibouly started shooting because he was attending to his midday prayers.  :D
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 12, 2015, 09:01:04 pm
haha, I think it's great this Bathily guy was not present when calibouly started shooting because he was attending to his midday prayers.  :D

Calibouly can pray in the dirt now, better for all concerned
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Angantyr on January 12, 2015, 09:21:40 pm
What info has he given? I dont think he gave much anything to the russians, or gave a little bit that barely even scratches the surface. Correct me if im wrong thou. I mean, where else could he have gone, but Russia? The only country on planet earth that flips US off nonstop and isnt a complete craphole(althou still a craphole) is Russia. So obviously if you pissed off the US you would go there. I think even China would have extradited him.
Yes, under the Espionage Act Snowden wouldn't get anything that amounts to a fair trial in the US but would face torture for the rest of his life in solitary confinement. Arguing he should come home and 'face the consequences' is just ludicrous.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/30/daniel-ellsberg-snowden-fair-trial-kerry-espionage-act
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Tibe on January 12, 2015, 09:23:10 pm
He can launch handeggs at them from F22's

Whether the march is useless or not (and I'm with you that it won't stop Muslim terror), his absence still shows a lack of class.
I think it shows class. Actually partaking in that march is what shows lack of it imo. Like most people I think its rather silly and tacky. I think actually this, Brad Thor is a fucking asshole and anyone who retweeted or favorited that bullshit. Those people have 0 class. Oh qq, the leader of the free world couldnt be arsed to fly all across the other side of the planet to walk in the street, to show what message exactly? That we are not afraid? We are what.....together? I dont get wtf was the message here, cause it sure as hell wasnt for the victims. There's no reason for the media be this shitty. I think the peoples choice to be a dick about it is far more disrespectful.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 12, 2015, 09:33:41 pm
I think it shows class. Actually partaking in that march is what shows lack of it imo. Like most people I think its rather silly and tacky. I think actually this, Brad Thor is a fucking asshole and anyone who retweeted or favorited that bullshit. Those people have 0 class. Oh qq, the leader of the free world couldnt be arsed to fly all across the other side of the planet to walk in the street, to show what message exactly? That we are not afraid? We are what.....together? I dont get wtf was the message here, cause it sure as hell wasnt for the victims. There's no reason for the media be this shitty. I think the peoples choice to be a dick about it is far more disrespectful.

I originally voted for the guy in the White House and what is he doing?  Making an ass of himself and his office by portraying a lazy, uncaring American stereotype only interested in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Christo on January 12, 2015, 09:41:16 pm
Well, Orbán was at that stupid march, and also some very.. ahem *controversial* people attended.

Totally lost any credibility for me.

He also gave a message to us after it about the exact opposite of this march, about how he will battle immigration and defend his people, total nonsense considering not even immigrants want to come to Hungary, but only pass through.

Well, this is how he wants to ride the populism waves once again, lots of xenophobic people here, despite the fact that we don't even have as many foreigners or muslims as others in the west.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 12, 2015, 09:44:47 pm
Well, Orbán was at that stupid march, and also some very.. ahem *controversial* people attended.

Totally lost any credibility for me.

Freaking Mr Hamas himself Erdogan and Netanyahu went, but no sign of The Eternal Vacation Hussein

I guess what I'm feeling is buyers remorse, started feeling that around 2010-2012
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Christo on January 12, 2015, 09:47:22 pm
Freaking Mr Hamas himself Erdogan and Netanyahu went, but no sign of The Eternal Vacation Hussein

I guess what I'm feeling is buyers remorse, started feeling that around 2010-2012

btw on Erdogan:

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Somebody has a bit too much of a sultan complex
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Tibe on January 12, 2015, 09:49:11 pm
I originally voted for the guy in the White House and what is he doing?  Making an ass of himself and his office by portraying a lazy, uncaring American stereotype only interested in the playoffs.
Infront of who did he make an ass of himself? Like Christo said, kinda random shady fuckers in that march. Doesnt make em Jesus and better than Obama. We dont actually know that he stayed to watch the playoffs. Could have been just relaxing or taking a break or doing some busywork. Could have just been EU media, acting all dicky again, always looking for a moment to rip US government a new asshole(not that they dont deserve it) and than instantly licking it when Russia starts screwing around again. I think anyone who read into this too deeply made an ass of himself. Obamas fine, when it comes to this atleast.

Compared to Erdogan, whose totally fucked in the head, I doubt hes got anything on Obama.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 12, 2015, 09:49:34 pm
btw on Erdogan:

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Somebody has a bit too much of a sultan complex

Oh lol

WE WILL RESTORE THE CALIPHATE   :lol:
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Christo on January 12, 2015, 09:53:03 pm
Hungary and US actually having some disputes about our morons trying to influence american decision making, and bribing or so.

Well it isn't that much of a dispute, corrupt government official list came up, iirc 6 people are in a no-fly list to the US out of corruption charges. The americans wouldn't even have revealed it, but they started raging about it like idiots so it became mostly public.

"america attack us, america manipulate cia bad and want to overthrow us, look at iraq!!" Seriously, this is pretty much how they whined to the population.

One of them is the head of the tax authority (college friend of Orbán's gang), and word is going out that the others are fidesz close as well.

Well if I was in the place of the US leaders to decide, I wouldn't show amongst these corrupt assholes either.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Findex.hu%2Fbelfold%2F2014%2F10%2F17%2Fvida_ildiko_nav-elnok_tenyleg_nem_mehet_amerikaba%2F (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Findex.hu%2Fbelfold%2F2014%2F10%2F17%2Fvida_ildiko_nav-elnok_tenyleg_nem_mehet_amerikaba%2F)

Here is an article, translated because I can't seem to find an english one atm.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on January 12, 2015, 10:39:50 pm
Calibouly can pray in the dirt now, better for all concerned

I'm not sure you understood, bathily was working at the supermarket, is also muslim and didn't get shot because he was away in the cellar praying.

Islam prayers apparently protect from Islam radicals very efficiently.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 12, 2015, 10:45:35 pm
I'm not sure you understood, bathily was working at the supermarket, is also muslim and didn't get shot because he was away in the cellar praying.

Islam prayers apparently protect from Islam radicals very efficiently.

Luck/Spaghetti Monster
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Turkhammer on January 13, 2015, 06:46:45 am
Yes, under the Espionage Act Snowden wouldn't get anything that amounts to a fair trial in the US but would face torture for the rest of his life in solitary confinement. Arguing he should come home and 'face the consequences' is just ludicrous.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/30/daniel-ellsberg-snowden-fair-trial-kerry-espionage-act

So there is a law called the Espionage Act that Snowden knew about before he violated it.  How can you say he would not get a fair trial?  He can die alone in Russia after a miserable life there or come back and stand trial and have the courage of his convictions.  Either way is the same.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 13, 2015, 06:51:44 am
So there is a law called the Espionage Act that Snowden knew about before he violated it.  How can you say he would not get a fair trial?  He can die alone in Russia after a miserable life there or come back and stand trial and have the courage of his convictions.  Either way is the same.
Pretty sure divulging state secrets amounts to treason.  If he ever does come back it won't be anything other than a military tribunal, regardless of what one thinks of the man or his acts
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Moncho on January 13, 2015, 10:14:11 am
http://mic.com/articles/108166/one-student-s-epic-tweets-call-out-the-biggest-hypocrites-marching-for-free-speech-in-paris :D
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Vovka on January 13, 2015, 10:22:40 am
http://mic.com/articles/108166/one-student-s-epic-tweets-call-out-the-biggest-hypocrites-marching-for-free-speech-in-paris :D
yeah why do real things if u can just sits in internet and write shit tweets  :P
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Andswaru on January 13, 2015, 10:29:31 am
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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Vovka on January 13, 2015, 10:34:51 am
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1 min pls, done, awesome photo, now go inside and lets party, lets free the street for plebs
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Umbra on January 13, 2015, 01:57:29 pm
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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Vibe on January 13, 2015, 02:07:21 pm
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What you think slovenia has one whole horse in its "army"? ))))
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Tibe on January 13, 2015, 04:05:59 pm
What you think slovenia has one whole horse in its "army"? ))))
If we were to argue about it like that, we would come to a conclusion that mybe 5 of em should own horses and even those would be like half-dead stumpters, riders would still be made out of cardboard thou.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: LordBerenger on January 13, 2015, 04:22:19 pm
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You made one thing wrong. USA wouldn't have cannons. They would have cobra cars. HowDoYouTurnThisON
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: the real god emperor on January 14, 2015, 03:22:58 pm
btw on Erdogan:

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Somebody has a bit too much of a sultan complex

Erdoğan the Conqueror
Erdoğan the Bad
Erdoğan the Thunder

PRAS ÜPÖN HİM
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 14, 2015, 06:16:32 pm
Erdoğan the Conqueror
Erdoğan the Bad
Erdoğan the Thunder

PRAS ÜPÖN HİM

Speaking of the Turks:

Turkish court bans websites publishing Charlie Hebdo cover (as if that will stop anything)

http://news.yahoo.com/turkish-police-check-newspaper-over-charlie-hebdo-cartoons-074425627.html (http://news.yahoo.com/turkish-police-check-newspaper-over-charlie-hebdo-cartoons-074425627.html)
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Christo on January 14, 2015, 08:24:30 pm
Speaking of the Turks:

Turkish court bans websites publishing Charlie Hebdo cover (as if that will stop anything)

http://news.yahoo.com/turkish-police-check-newspaper-over-charlie-hebdo-cartoons-074425627.html (http://news.yahoo.com/turkish-police-check-newspaper-over-charlie-hebdo-cartoons-074425627.html)

Alright, round 2:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/turkish-president-erdoan-accuses-west-of-playing-games-with-muslims-after-paris-attacks-9976991.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/turkish-president-erdoan-accuses-west-of-playing-games-with-muslims-after-paris-attacks-9976991.html)
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 14, 2015, 08:30:01 pm
Alright, round 2:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/turkish-president-erdoan-accuses-west-of-playing-games-with-muslims-after-paris-attacks-9976991.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/turkish-president-erdoan-accuses-west-of-playing-games-with-muslims-after-paris-attacks-9976991.html)

...is he seriously blaming the French for this?  Blames the west and da jooz, but harbors Muslim terrorists

How was this guy even elected
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: [ptx] on January 14, 2015, 08:35:32 pm
Alright, round 2:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/turkish-president-erdoan-accuses-west-of-playing-games-with-muslims-after-paris-attacks-9976991.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/turkish-president-erdoan-accuses-west-of-playing-games-with-muslims-after-paris-attacks-9976991.html)
Wow... just... wow... This is so hypocritical it's making me freaking angry :|
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Kirman on January 14, 2015, 09:09:38 pm
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Erdogan, epic internet material for Turks since 2002

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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Turkhammer on January 17, 2015, 02:39:08 am
Small French town struggles with jihad.

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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 17, 2015, 02:50:27 am
An anti Charlie Hebdo protest in Niger turns ugly, shops looted and churches burned:

http://www.jpost.com/International/Churches-torched-Christian-owned-shops-raided-by-Muslims-in-Niger-387993 (http://www.jpost.com/International/Churches-torched-Christian-owned-shops-raided-by-Muslims-in-Niger-387993)

and pictures (not for the squeamish)

https://twitter.com/0022797437570/status/556152286247137280/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/0022797437570/status/556152286247137280/photo/1)
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: LordBerenger on January 17, 2015, 03:25:31 am
Lol protesting in Niger. Isnt't that where the African version of ISIS is? Or is that another place.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 17, 2015, 03:50:00 am
Lol protesting in Niger. Isnt't that where the African version of ISIS is? Or is that another place.

Said group was notably absent
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: LordBerenger on January 17, 2015, 04:06:48 am
Being absent is haram
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Oberyn on January 17, 2015, 04:12:01 am
It wasn't just in Niger. Pretty much every leader from a muslim majority country has condemned the Charlie Hebdo staff, some going so far as to declare death an appropriate punishment (fanatical bundle of stickss applying retroactive international death penalties to people already killed by other fanatical bundle of stickss, lol). Most are just echoing the feelings of the majority of their constituents, as politicians do. Erdogan's statements aren't some sort of radical fringe view. They're the base. Behold, the worldwide "moderate" muslim.
There were also protests in Pakistan and Algeria, with a consulate attacked. Algeria is really the big one, in my opinion. It's the source of most muslim immigration to France, with Morocco following close behind. AQMI is mostly algerians. They've been fighting a civil war with their government for decades.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: [ptx] on January 17, 2015, 05:21:10 am
Oh man, my local muslim leader said that Charlie Hebdo should've gotten their fingers broken. Religion of peace, alright.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Christo on January 17, 2015, 05:25:44 am
Oh man, my local muslim leader said that Charlie Hebdo should've gotten their fingers broken. Religion of peace, alright.

Well he could have wished for their death instead, it is very peaceful indeed!
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 17, 2015, 05:38:37 am
Peace my ass.  (warning: extremely offensive)

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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Xant on January 17, 2015, 10:17:18 am
Wonder if the crowd below were chanting "Allah akbar" as if they were having an orgasm, like in so many similar events.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Kafein on January 17, 2015, 11:55:14 am
Wonder if the crowd below were chanting "Allah akbar" as if they were having an orgasm, like in so many similar events.

Makes sense to say that something is big during orgasm.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Leshma on January 17, 2015, 04:16:26 pm
Peace my ass.  (warning: extremely offensive)

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They gave them no parachute? What happened to this, once glorious world?
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: LordBerenger on January 18, 2015, 04:01:31 am
Play this song while scrolling through all the Charlie Hebdo threads lolz

Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Torost on January 18, 2015, 09:24:44 am
This thread is sorta shady.. but here goes.

Picture of the "world leaders marching for Charlie Hebdo attack" from above..

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I can understand why.. staging it in a closed off alley.. with security on all sides makes sense.



Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Kafein on January 18, 2015, 12:11:25 pm
It's not like it's a state secret. There's like 50 leaders there, some security measures are in order.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 18, 2015, 04:22:39 pm
This thread is sorta shady.. but here goes.

Picture of the "world leaders marching for Charlie Hebdo attack" from above..

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I can understand why.. staging it in a closed off alley.. with security on all sides makes sense.


And yet that image is being shown as 'proof' of the 'poor extent' of the marching.  Numbers were in excess of 700,000; were world leaders to march with crowds of that size they would have been attacked.  The separation made sense.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Leshma on January 18, 2015, 04:45:27 pm
Losing those "leaders" on that day wouldn't be a big loss imho.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Christo on January 18, 2015, 08:11:14 pm
I think you have an obsession with chaos.

Losing that many would be dangerous. Although I admit some leaders who attended are.. let's just say I wouldn't be sad if they got bombed.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Tore on January 18, 2015, 08:37:13 pm
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me on the left
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Casimir on January 18, 2015, 09:19:53 pm
you're bald
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: lombardsoup on January 18, 2015, 10:34:10 pm
Bald bruh you need some headlube
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Also, AFP photographer recovering after being shot during anti-Charlie Hebdo protest in Pakistan

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-17/afp-photographer-asif-hassan-shot-recovering-in-hospital/6023266 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-17/afp-photographer-asif-hassan-shot-recovering-in-hospital/6023266)
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Leshma on January 18, 2015, 10:56:58 pm
I think you have an obsession with chaos.

Losing that many would be dangerous. Although I admit some leaders who attended are.. let's just say I wouldn't be sad if they got bombed.

Guess I was misunderstood. Not saying that I want them to die, just that I don't see their value. Or any other high ranked politicians value. They aren't scientists, they don't push the boundaries, they don't make world a better place.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: [ptx] on January 19, 2015, 12:19:55 am
Well, at the very least they are not making some indie game mod forums a worse place.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Turkhammer on January 19, 2015, 06:38:09 am
Losing those "leaders" on that day wouldn't be a big loss imho.

Luckily your opinion doesn't carry any weight.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Turkhammer on January 19, 2015, 06:41:00 am
I think you have an obsession with chaos.

Losing that many would be dangerous. Although I admit some leaders who attended are.. let's just say I wouldn't be sad if they got bombed.

That's the way you wish to be rid of elected officials?  Being voted out is not enough for you?
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Christo on January 19, 2015, 09:47:23 am
That's the way you wish to be rid of elected officials?  Being voted out is not enough for you?

Yes, because elections work totally well in Hungary and Turkey, etc etc..
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Umbra on January 19, 2015, 10:21:54 am
Thats how it works, no need to be butthurt at democracy if you are one of those who voted for the counter candidate. Be butthurt at the people who elected them.

Our new president is a disgusting right wing whore and the people, not the sytem, are masochistic retards for picking a candidate from a party that was proven in court for robbing the country.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Xant on January 19, 2015, 11:14:17 am
Yes, because elections work totally well in Hungary and Turkey, etc etc..
Implying elections work anywhere. In the year of our lord 2015, people should already realize this.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Leshma on January 19, 2015, 01:21:43 pm
As soon we stop praising word FAIR as something positive and realize that election system where majority decides is sheer stupidity, the sooner we move forward.

In the past, people with certain skills managed to get themselves into position to rule over majority and keep that privilege for their children and children of their children. We replaced that with democracy. But there is no need for that anymore, now we have much better techniques and mechanisms to ensure progress, they are based on science, the most valuable thing humans discovered.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Xant on January 19, 2015, 02:54:05 pm
The story of Western immigration policy:

A viper got caught in a snowstorm. Being cold-blooded, this was a death sentence. A man passing by saw the snake. The viper said,
‘Please, sir, pick me up and warm me against your body, else I’ll freeze to death.’
The man said, ‘No fool I! You’ll bite me and I will die!’
‘No, I promise I won’t! Please!’
So the man collected the snake and put him in his pocket. After a while, the viper warmed, and then he bit the man through his shirt.
‘Viper! You have poisoned me! You lied!’
And the snake said,
‘You knew what I was when you picked me up.’

The story of elections:

On the radio some airwave jabber-jockey goes on and on about the new prez being a socialist while another mike-monkey “defends” him. A fight as real and choreographed as a WWF match. The liberal in one corner, the conservative in the other—pick your villain, pick your hero.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: darmaster on January 19, 2015, 07:12:58 pm
Hey we didn't pick up any viper or snake in any snowstorm - the fuck are you talking about xant? Stop derailing threads, it's not funny anymore
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Christo on January 19, 2015, 07:20:11 pm
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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: AntiBlitz on January 19, 2015, 08:18:53 pm
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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Kafein on January 19, 2015, 09:25:23 pm
AntiBlitz failed at Internet. The only valid way to denote sarcasm is by using a sheldon reference.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Leshma on February 14, 2015, 07:38:50 pm
1 dead in shooting at event attended by cartoonist who depicted Mohammed (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/14/europe/denmark-shooting/index.html)
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Christo on February 14, 2015, 08:02:03 pm
Here we go again
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Christo on February 15, 2015, 02:09:25 am
Second shooting guys

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31475803 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31475803)
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Eugen on February 16, 2015, 01:53:19 pm
Autistic intermezzo:


Hatred.

People fighting people.

Sad story.


Winners are the leaders who control hatred. Losers are all others.


Only reason for violence:  fighting for survival (not metaphorical)  and maybe affect.

All else is mental damage and manipulation of those more dumb then the manipulator.



War: World is a madhouse and the medication is out of stock.



My opinion is set. Dont confuse me with facts.

Over and out.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Moncho on February 27, 2015, 11:28:29 am
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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Kafein on February 27, 2015, 05:40:50 pm
They might as well do 100% Islam blasphemy and it wouldn't change a thing.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Xant on May 04, 2015, 10:01:11 am
Meanwhile in USA:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/04/us/garland-mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/index.html

Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Molly on May 04, 2015, 10:18:08 am
"Free Speech Event" :lol:
"Geert Wilders" :lol:
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Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Xant on May 04, 2015, 10:23:33 am
I think the most noteworthy thing about it is that those two retards who decided to attack it probably planned for a long time and made melodramatic vows etc., then they get gunned down within seconds.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: Kafein on May 04, 2015, 05:40:52 pm
I think the most noteworthy thing about it is that those two retards who decided to attack it probably planned for a long time and made melodramatic vows etc., then they get gunned down within seconds.

texas mission op nerf, waaaay too difficult for that amount of faith points.

Also yes, even though it's nice nobody of value got killed, I would have said the same if say, Geert Wilders had been killed. Of course that would have been pretty stupid of the jihadists considering he's exactly the kind of politicians they want and need.
Title: Re: Charlie Hebdo attack, v 2.0
Post by: njames89 on May 05, 2015, 06:44:59 pm
Haven't you ass pirates realized were all totally fucked? Stop wasting time talking and get back to farming looms...