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Melee: Battlegrounds => General => Topic started by: chadz on November 23, 2014, 02:17:50 pm

Title: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: chadz on November 23, 2014, 02:17:50 pm: So we are close to 22k$, and have 27 days to go. Interesting month ahead. :wink:

It's gonna be a close call for sure, and I have NO idea yet on what side it's gonna trend, but that's the fun of it, isn't it :)

What I wanted to say is that I am absolutely, and I am not exaggerating here, absolutely stunned by the effort you guys put into this. I think I've never been more proud to be part of our community. The way you people help us with what we could never do alone... You guys are just amazing, and to be frank, you guys are the ones keeping our spirits up. <3
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: FleetFox on November 23, 2014, 02:19:53 pm: No problem chadz, you keep making them nice updates and we'll try to get some of the youtubers to promote ;)
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Bittersteel on November 23, 2014, 02:21:31 pm: eyyyyy lmao
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Bittersteel on November 23, 2014, 02:24:52 pm: Oh btw, can there be a tier to unlock the Scholar badge to get access to ze secret part of the forum?
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Gurnisson on November 23, 2014, 02:28:07 pm: Who are you and what have you done to chadz?
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Leshma on November 23, 2014, 02:34:46 pm: Guess the grumpy personality is gone with all that extra weight :(
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: FleetFox on November 23, 2014, 02:55:03 pm: Also I was thinking, if we don't get the goal its no problem at all. Sure you might have less money that previously planned, but you can just open a new kickstarter and put the goal to 20k which we know is achievable, then anything after that is a bonus to go for the office rent for the year. What you think?
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: chadz on November 23, 2014, 02:57:30 pm: All in due time. For now, focus is kickstarter. If it should fail, we won't be in "omg we're doomed" mode. Just means that we need to adjust to the new situation, see what changes need to be done, and go on. Donkeys are stubborn and don't give up easily :wink:
Also, I always said kickstarter is both a funding and marketing tool - our name is out there, by the end of the month people will know us. One way or another :)
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Molly on November 23, 2014, 03:01:07 pm: Steam changed their Green Light rules lately... Just sayin... :)
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: no_rules_just_play on November 23, 2014, 03:24:19 pm: Quote from: Molly on November 23, 2014, 03:01:07 pm
Steam changed their Green Light rules lately... Just sayin... :)
In the good way that there will be less shitty games getting greenlighted?
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: SayAttack on November 23, 2014, 03:57:39 pm: Quote from: Gurnisson on November 23, 2014, 02:28:07 pm
Who are you and what have you done to chadz?

ко ко ко сначала добейся
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on November 23, 2014, 04:02:46 pm: chadz, I think you're doing a great job with narration on the videos. Your Austrian accent is soothing; it makes me feel as though all will be well in Melee Battlegrounds. There will be ordung! I work at a hotel and I had a good conversation with a German fellow this morning and I couldn't get the kickstarter video out of my head since the accents were so similar.

You should be getting a big ole' clan pack donation from me and my boys if all goes well. If not that, a good share of us will at least get individual packs.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Switchtense on November 23, 2014, 04:15:48 pm: Quick question since I am a Kickstarter noob, if we do happen to miss the goal of 130k, will the money be gone or will you still get what every one of us pledged?

Not asking cause I am scared that my money will be gone, just wanna know if you will walk out with empty pockets or will actually be able to use the money we will have accumulated.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: FleetFox on November 23, 2014, 04:25:56 pm: Quote from: Switchtense on November 23, 2014, 04:15:48 pm
Quick question since I am a Kickstarter noob, if we do happen to miss the goal of 130k, will the money be gone or will you still get what every one of us pledged?

Not asking cause I am scared that my money will be gone, just wanna know if you will walk out with empty pockets or will actually be able to use the money we will have accumulated.

Thats right, the money will be gone if they initial goal is not reached, shame I know.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: chadz on November 23, 2014, 04:31:02 pm: It won't be gone, your credit card just won't be charged :)

But that system is good, you don't want money to go to a half-funded project, because that would be a waste.

But yes, we need to make it and reach the 130k to get it :)
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Leshma on November 23, 2014, 04:44:15 pm: Kickstarter uses fixed funding scheme. What that means? When you pledge, your money is reserved, if goal isn't reached you get your money back.

Indiegogo allows both fixed and flexible funding campaigns. Flexible funding means there is goal but it doesn't have to be reached, creators will get pledged money anyways.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Nessaj on November 23, 2014, 04:44:51 pm: Quote from: FleetFox on November 23, 2014, 04:25:56 pm
Thats right, the money will be gone if they initial goal is not reached, shame I know.

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Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Switchtense on November 23, 2014, 05:23:29 pm: Quote from: chadz on November 23, 2014, 04:31:02 pm
It won't be gone, your credit card just won't be charged :)

But that system is good, you don't want money to go to a half-funded project, because that would be a waste.

But yes, we need to make it and reach the 130k to get it :)

Ah sweet. Figured the money being lost would be the website-creators way of getting money out of it :D

Will put my christmas money to good use then. Have half my monthly income :D
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Falka on November 23, 2014, 07:34:40 pm: Quote from: Switchtense on November 23, 2014, 05:23:29 pm
Will put my christmas money to good use then. Have half my monthly income :D

So how much it will be, 5 $? :P
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Spartacus on November 23, 2014, 07:35:13 pm: It seems like we are not going to reach 300k :D Is there still any chance to have a coop (made by you)? Or do modders have to do it?
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Clockworkkiller on November 23, 2014, 07:36:41 pm: Stop being so negative people! The Goal SHALL be reached!
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: FleetFox on November 23, 2014, 07:50:48 pm: Quote from: Nessaj on November 23, 2014, 04:44:51 pm
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lol I was being serious, just goes to show how little I know about kickstarter, but i thought id try to be nice and answer switch's question ^^

Edit: If this thing can get 130k we sure as hell should be able to, their intro video is terrible imo lol https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/roxley/steampunk-rally?ref=popular
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: MeatBunny on November 23, 2014, 10:43:00 pm: Don't worry chadz, if we get to 80% of our goal with only a day remaining you know the cRPG community will up all their pledges!

Don't underestimate last minute influxes!

Sources: I'm a Kickstarter addict.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Kafein on November 23, 2014, 11:01:11 pm: Even though the money doesn't go anywhere if the goal fails, it's still possible to game the system and invest more from your own money in a last ditch effort too.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Switchtense on November 23, 2014, 11:09:45 pm: Quote from: Falka on November 23, 2014, 07:34:40 pm
So how much it will be, 5 $? :P

A whole lot more than that! About 15€
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on November 23, 2014, 11:13:58 pm: What's amazing as well IMO is the money people are putting into it so far. We have now an average (!) of 58$ per pledge, while the digital copy is already available at 20 bucks. Not to forget many people didn't need to put anything extra in because of the investment. Both shows how dedicated the people that are backing are and that it is really the numbers we need getting.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: MeevarTheMighty on November 23, 2014, 11:32:31 pm: Should have had a lower start goal with everyone but cmp having shared office space, then a 50k stretch goal for that (he would move out for the timebeing). :P

It is looking a bit close, but there's still a lot of time to make a big break.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: marco1391 on November 24, 2014, 12:20:16 am: I don't wanna be pessimistic, but it's probably not gonna make it by kickstarter alone if there isn't additional mainstream pr stuff/publicity.

also the contribution of the crpg community alone as everyone here I'm sure believes will be not even 1/3rd of the total the project aims at.

trending at 140k at the moment, however that is taking into account the starting boost(1st day) of the campaign and not considering that the slowest kickstarter period for a project is between the 10th to 20th day(for 30 days projects).

that said if just one/two big youtubers were to bring attention to this it would probably assure the success of the project.

being an old crpg fanatic I just hope this will succeed, best of luck to all you guys, looking forward to play the alpha!
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Miwiw on November 24, 2014, 01:12:10 am: I should get a job, I wasted so much good money during the last month, could have put it all here to good use. :cry:

Anyway, I surely believe in you. This will be go fine!!
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: ManOfWar on November 24, 2014, 04:28:39 am: Good job on the name change for the Kickstarter.

Not many people know what CRPG is or was. It is more important to let them know what they are buying :D
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: KingBread on November 24, 2014, 11:06:48 am: Yay i contributed real money to chadz finally ! You really deserve them i wanted to invest earlier but being a student in Poland is a hard task. Now i cross my fingers for reaching founding goal.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Stormcrow on November 24, 2014, 01:49:12 pm: keep up the good work chadz!
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: WarM4chine on November 25, 2014, 02:17:25 pm: Quote from: MeatBunny on November 23, 2014, 10:43:00 pm
Don't worry chadz, if we get to 80% of our goal with only a day remaining you know the cRPG community will up all their pledges!

Don't underestimate last minute influxes!

Sources: I'm a Kickstarter addict.

If its about to fail ill up my pledge, if it fails ill need Donkey Crew bank infos because than money is going to them either way! Im stubborn too ;)
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on November 27, 2014, 01:04:58 pm: Quote from: WarM4chine on November 25, 2014, 02:17:25 pm
If its about to fail ill up my pledge, if it fails ill need Donkey Crew bank infos because than money is going to them either way! Im stubborn too ;)

You're a good nerd.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Corwin on November 27, 2014, 01:49:41 pm: :( At this rate, this is not happening. I don't know if kickstarter campaigns spike up in the last days of the campaign, but at current rate it will be 122 288 $. For example, I am waiting for 1st Dec and my next salary. And I am guessing that vast majority of backers that supported so far are members of cRPG community. So, unless you really do something drastic to bring attention of the wider community to the project, it is possible that number of backers may decline.

I wish you all the luck and I promise to back it on Monday.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Miwiw on November 27, 2014, 02:37:16 pm: I've just registered Amazon Payment.. what a thing.. now after Amazon actually already knows my bank account stuff they need to verify it again (tho I'm buying there for years).. guess I'll pledge next or the week after that.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: lombardsoup on November 27, 2014, 04:34:08 pm: Would probably be a good time to reveal alternate methods of donating. Kickstarter is way too dependent on media hype, you simply do not have the following to make any real money
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Nightmare798 on November 27, 2014, 06:08:55 pm: Quote from: Leshma on November 23, 2014, 02:34:46 pm
Guess the grumpy personality is gone with all that extra weight :(

Guess what, money DOES buy happiness!
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Prpavi on November 27, 2014, 07:39:48 pm: Quote from: Corwin on November 27, 2014, 01:49:41 pm
:( At this rate, this is not happening. I don't know if kickstarter campaigns spike up in the last days of the campaign, but at current rate it will be 122 288 $. For example, I am waiting for 1st Dec and my next salary. And I am guessing that vast majority of backers that supported so far are members of cRPG community. So, unless you really do something drastic to bring attention of the wider community to the project, it is possible that number of backers may decline.

I wish you all the luck and I promise to back it on Monday.

Need to wait for you pay for 1$ pledge? Damn things must be ruff in Monteblack in spanish.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Kafein on November 27, 2014, 11:07:21 pm: You guys will get a significant share of my first salary, I just need some free time to do this whole virtual credit card thing.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Relit on November 28, 2014, 01:12:34 am: Pledged 90$ and will consider more. Just need more info on spears. Seriously.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: agweber on November 28, 2014, 02:10:52 am: Quote from: Corwin on November 27, 2014, 01:49:41 pm
For example, I am waiting for 1st Dec and my next salary.

How many times must I say it. This is a pledge. You don't pay out anything until the end of the fundraising period if and only if they meet their target.

Pledge now. Get our numbers up. Get our hype up. Pay later.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Nessaj on November 28, 2014, 03:09:12 am: Quote from: Relit on November 28, 2014, 01:12:34 am
Just need more info on spears.

They'll be in there and they'll be awesome :P

We want spears to have the same sort of functionality a normal weapon has, not just be something you only stab with (as it seems for pretty much all games).
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Corwin on November 28, 2014, 09:25:38 am: Quote from: Prpavi on November 27, 2014, 07:39:48 pm
Need to wait for you pay for 1$ pledge? Damn things must be ruff in Monteblack in spanish.

Yes, they say we are the next Greece. Can't wait to share experience with Panos.

PS

Ok. I pledged 46$. I think that's more than I ever paid for any game.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: RandomDude on November 28, 2014, 11:48:53 am: Quote from: KingBread on November 24, 2014, 11:06:48 am
Yay i contributed real money to chadz finally ! You really deserve them i wanted to invest earlier but being a student in Poland is a hard task. Now i cross my fingers for reaching founding goal.

Hah me 2 kingbread, but i was unemployed previously rather than being a student.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Overdriven on November 28, 2014, 01:04:22 pm: Well upped my pledge to as much as I can manage if it goes through on the 20th. Christmas period and all that.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Molly on November 28, 2014, 04:27:00 pm: Does Kickstarter count all the money pledge or just the rewards we take?

If they only count the rewards' worth, all those $1 backers are probably way higher up and could switch to their actual reward. Just saying...
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: TaM1PiCh on November 28, 2014, 04:52:50 pm: reached
501 Backers and $29,582
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: agweber on November 28, 2014, 06:55:58 pm: Quote from: Molly on November 28, 2014, 04:27:00 pm
Does Kickstarter count all the money pledge or just the rewards we take?

If they only count the rewards' worth, all those $1 backers are probably way higher up and could switch to their actual reward. Just saying...

Counts the backed amount, not just the tiers. =/
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Molly on November 28, 2014, 06:59:41 pm: Alright, thanks for clarifying.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Erasmas on November 28, 2014, 07:29:00 pm: Well, as long as the total pledged amount is a sum of all pledges, I am not sure if number of backers at each tier reflects actual pledge or reward claimed:

1. some of the 1$ backers may actually be guys who made some investment in earlier internal funding. They will get higher rewards but their pledge now is 1$
2. some of the higher $ backers, who made some investment in earlier internal funding could have applied for $1 reward - and they will get higher reward eventually

So the number of backers attributed to certain pledge tiers (rewards) may be misleading as far as actual rewards are concerned. But the total amount of pledge is just a sum of all pledges.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Molly on November 28, 2014, 07:33:07 pm: I still believe! :D
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Inglorious on November 28, 2014, 11:15:55 pm: I found my statue likeness. I'll take it in bronze!

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Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on November 30, 2014, 07:04:13 am: Keep it up donkey.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Harpag on November 30, 2014, 12:02:46 pm: Promotion fucked up :cry: I will troll you to death for this if we doesn't reach the target... funds from our community are not enough, and besides, we want bigger community...
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Dalhi on November 30, 2014, 01:55:13 pm: Quote from: Harpag on November 30, 2014, 12:02:46 pm
Promotion fucked up :cry: I will troll you to death for this if we doesn't reach the target... funds from our community are not enough, and besides, we want bigger community...

The thing is that we are responsible for promoting the game, devs can't do everything on their own. So for now thing to do is just spam threads about Melee: Battlegrounds everywhere, on all kinds of forums, websites etc.
Still 3 weeks till the end of kickstarter campaign, for now it doesn't look promising, but things may change.
Melee combat games are not so popular, that is one thing the other is release date 2016 seems faar away from now and it might push away people from buying the game wich they might get chance to play in 16-18 months.
Devs need something big to show on their updates, something that will eventually attract potential backers.
Sadly the only thing that could possibly boost attetnion is adding to game some shitty manga alike armours that expose huge boobs :lol: or adding premium accounts to xxx sites for all backers :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Molly on November 30, 2014, 02:06:02 pm: I agree on the outside promotion done by us.

The big thing tho is already out there: Stronghold.
I actually have a hard time understanding why this doesn't attract more people. Maybe we're not promoting enough...

@Nessaj: Can we get a list of people you have already adressed in any way? That can help us in return to see where we can don't need to and where we still should establish some kind of contact...
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on November 30, 2014, 02:19:02 pm: If it doesn't work out you can always leave it a six months and try again. By then a playable alpha may be about and you could give reviewers early access to gain interest and then pump out the second kickstarter,
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: karasu on November 30, 2014, 03:20:19 pm: Bunch of whinney ass white flaggers.

Time lost QQ'ing here is time that could've been placed into promoting.

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Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Harpag on November 30, 2014, 03:49:19 pm: @Dalhi

Yeah, sure, but that all of these activities should be started 8 weeks before the start of the kickstarter, not in second week of duration, and yeah, huge exposed boobs are better idea than most might think, serously, at the end of the day no method counts, only the effect

@Karasu

No u! Greys never give up lel

Fuck it. In the worst case, we will have to make another assault, but right now you have to fight to the end to leave a good impression.

Promotion fucked up :mad:
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: matt2507 on November 30, 2014, 04:46:38 pm: Quote from: karasu on November 30, 2014, 03:20:19 pm
Bunch of whinney ass white flaggers.

And no one is French !
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Nessaj on November 30, 2014, 06:04:44 pm: Quote from: Molly on November 30, 2014, 02:06:02 pm
@Nessaj: Can we get a list of people you have already adressed in any way? That can help us in return to see where we can don't need to and where we still should establish some kind of contact...

As it stands right now you should feel free to contact anything, the only people we have direct ties to is YouTubers/Twitch-streamers.

You shouldn't worry about if X/Y has been contacted, it doesn't matter if someone already sent a mail to a specific editor, youtuber, blogger and so on. How do you think effect is best acquired, that 1 person ever sends a mail, or that a bunch of people do so it actually leaves an impression of "hey this game got an active community that wants to help it out". What matters is that there's no spam (overall) or duplicate official mails coming from the development team - the latter we're tracking internally ourselves.

This means, don't use email templates they're a terrible impression. If you do decide to actually email something, post who you sent to in the Task Force forum (http://forum.melee.org/melee-task-force/), in the appropriate Language threads.

When we have the new 'big update' ready, everyone is getting a mail again, something we can push, something where everyone can actually join and play-test the game.

What we need right now is that people go out there and seek out where Melee already is and then keep those posts engaged, don't spam, don't be hostile, don't be annoying, and try to not use templates if possible (everyone likes things to be more personal) - answer people's questions or talk more about the game if the OP is lacking etc. The few places that this did happen, like at RockPaperShotgun, we actually saw a nice increase in pledges coming directly from that site, likewise for those who have done good effort on reddit. Everyone who commented and kept those sites engaged you're awesome!

Make sure national level (anything not English) at least knows we exist. We have a ton of Subtitles now for the Kickstarter + Stronghold video, that should help.

If anyone has any specific questions feel free to send me a PM.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on December 01, 2014, 08:32:23 am: Kinda demotivating though to post in threads where 100% of the posts are from people inside this community. People sometimes don't even say it's shit or what, just nothing...

Anyway we'll keep on trying :wink:
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: traxits on December 02, 2014, 06:22:14 am: I've been retweeting most of the things Sentri tweets about the kickstarter to my above average follower-base (THE E-PEEN IS SO FUCKING REAL.) (also not following the melee account, sorry fam, can't afford to skew my follower/following ratio.)

And I'm not sure if this has already been answered or not and sorry if it has, but I don't have 3 hours to spend reading this novel of a thread. I only got my grade 10 and us nova scotians aren't great at words, but if I donate $150 and you guys don't reach the number do i still get my stuff? Or is my $150 gone and my trailer taken away because i couldn't pay the rent
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: lombardsoup on December 02, 2014, 06:26:30 am: Quote from: traxits on December 02, 2014, 06:22:14 am
I've been retweeting most of the things Sentri tweets about the kickstarter to my above average follower-base (THE E-PEEN IS SO FUCKING REAL.) (also not following the melee account, sorry fam, can't afford to skew my follower/following ratio.)

And I'm not sure if this has already been answered or not and sorry if it has, but I don't have 3 hours to spend reading this novel of a thread. I only got my grade 10 and us nova scotians aren't great at words, but if I donate $150 and you guys don't reach the number do i still get my stuff? Or is my $150 gone and my trailer taken away because i couldn't pay the rent

At least you won't be charged ~~when~~ if it does fail
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Corwin on December 03, 2014, 12:43:38 pm: I have one question: Why is the time for support limited to only 30 days? I saw there are projects on kickstarter that last for 45 days, is there any way to extend it?
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: Bittersteel on December 03, 2014, 01:07:31 pm: You can't extend after you selected how long you want the kickstarted to be (30 or 60 days, I believe), 60 day projects don't seem to be as popular anyways.
Title: Re: 22k$ - A small word to the community
Post by: agweber on December 03, 2014, 03:20:50 pm: Quote from: Bittersteel on December 03, 2014, 01:07:31 pm
You can't extend after you selected how long you want the kickstarted to be (30 or 60 days, I believe), 60 day projects don't seem to be as popular anyways.

I believe you can do anything from 1 to 60 days. People just like 15-day intervals.

If the campaign was 60 days, it'd probably drop even further down the popularity list and start seeing no-backer days for several weeks. The first few days and the last few days are really the important days. How many days you have in between are considerably less important.