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Title: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: StonedSteel on September 01, 2014, 06:02:27 pm
I almost wish Squids\Barbs didnt get things moving in strat, EU is dead, and if NA died as well, we could have possibly got a restart. Right now we have to wait till December for this garbage to end and real strat to start.

I went polearm this strat, based completely on how well others did with polearm during strat 4. I did alright for strat 4 it was my first, this strat i wanted to top the board like i do in any other mode, and if everyone had "Medieval gear" i know i would do great.

So i switched to polearm not thinking for a second that this would be STRAT:5 THE DARK AGES.

Bitch if i wanted to play Vikingr, i would go play Vikingr, I wanted to play a Medieval War Sim, you know...with Medieval gear.

Polearmers got screwed this strat, 1h\2h have tons of great cheap option, armies usually have hundreds of great 2h weapons to pick from, but only a handful of decent polearms? like 60 long axes or bards...then ur stuck with shit.

More often than not i find myself dropping my garbage +0 mil scythe for +3 sideswords and +3 two handed axes, much better to have 0 wpf and be able to kill things, those axes are incredibly cheap and do amazing dmg.

This strat has been complete garbage, its almost OVER, and its still peasant wars.

As a NA player, ive only fought in 2 battles where both sides had decent gear and mercs, and even then there was a huge ping disadvantage for the EU players we massacred.

So yeah, basically have not fought one good legit fight this entire strat, and only 2 battles had decent gear for both sides, and i did great in them, and i had fun. Those two battles are the only thing that has come even close to matching the fun times of strat 4.

And those would be considered shitty strat 4 battles, like seriously, the worst crappiest strat 4 battles , were still better, more amazing and more fun, then the best battles of strat 5.

What a fucking failure.

I hope next strat rnd, the devs listen to the players, instead of the voices in their heads, we actually play the game, we actually know what will be fun or not, too many decisions are made in this game regarding fun, by people who dont even play it.

Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Chosen1 on September 01, 2014, 06:08:56 pm
what an original post

thank you plumbo for your creative input on this subject
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: StonedSteel on September 01, 2014, 06:09:54 pm
sigh...


your very welcome chosen
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Lannistark on September 01, 2014, 06:38:54 pm
Ima +1 this thread coz yolo.

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Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Algarn on September 01, 2014, 08:43:43 pm
You're little bit late if you discover this strat sucks after 9 months or something.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: HappyPhantom on September 01, 2014, 09:20:01 pm
Strat 5 does suck.

But, keep your polearm character on NA1 and switch out a main for strat.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks (bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Ikarus on September 01, 2014, 11:22:04 pm
Strat is a place for 2h, cav and archers, not pole or xbow (tried xbowing in strat once. It´s terrible, since strat requires quantity pew pew spamming, not long time reloading xbows...)

next time grab a 2h maul and you´re fine
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Bryggan on September 02, 2014, 02:33:55 am
Odd, most people in Strat TS's complain about being poked to death so much.  But still, they tried some new ideas which just didn't work and we really should just give up on this.  I started all excited, but now it's meh.

And the reason it was so dead for so long and 'resurrected' by Kesh and the Squids was because after a rash of fighting, it takes weeks to rebuild an army.  Kesh got Euro gear, and Squids won the trading game (again) first.

But come fight for me Plumbo.  I bought most of my gear in Europe, and the shit I got will put you on the top of the lists again.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Mr.K. on September 02, 2014, 02:20:49 pm
This is mostly an NA thing, although Squids did attack us months ago with English Bills and everything. The gear on EU has been fairly decent for months now, but as there are no factions fighting on EU, strat is pretty much dead on that side. There's of course the problem that most decent non-pokey polearms are relatively expensive compared to 2H options, so people making armies are less eager to buy those. That being said, long spears and pikes can dominate most battles so good polearmers can be worth a lot in the battles, both open field and villages.

There were a few problems with this strat (like crime working as a defensive tool), but most of the complaining by the NA guys - I think - is because the coordination of your trading has been poor from the start. Just look how the UIF does things on EU. Look at the prosperity they have in each of the trading fiefs. Now compare it to the NA fiefs. NA strat is more relaxed which can be fun, but there's some utter stupidity as well when it comes to trading. It really isn't that hard to do, just have a few guys doing it actively and all the time.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Jack1 on September 02, 2014, 02:47:34 pm
This is mostly an NA thing, although Squids did attack us months ago with English Bills and everything. The gear on EU has been fairly decent for months now, but as there are no factions fighting on EU, strat is pretty much dead on that side. There's of course the problem that most decent non-pokey polearms are relatively expensive compared to 2H options, so people making armies are less eager to buy those. That being said, long spears and pikes can dominate most battles so good polearmers can be worth a lot in the battles, both open field and villages.


light spiked club, light lance, long vaulge. those are all cheap polearms that do just fine in ordinary battle or siege.



There were a few problems with this strat (like crime working as a defensive tool), but most of the complaining by the NA guys - I think - is because the coordination of your trading has been poor from the start. Just look how the UIF does things on EU. Look at the prosperity they have in each of the trading fiefs. Now compare it to the NA fiefs. NA strat is more relaxed which can be fun, but there's some utter stupidity as well when it comes to trading. It really isn't that hard to do, just have a few guys doing it actively and all the time.

they have also had a larger map all to themselves, NA players actually have to make alliances, trade routes, etc. it would happen in NA too if it were the case.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Mr.K. on September 02, 2014, 03:36:40 pm
However, the only area that my joyless European obsession with efficiency overrules this is trading, NA is obsessed with swapping goods rather than just buying and selling.

This and the fact that some clans loom same crappy items in multiple fiefs instead of raising prosperity to actually gain gold to buy those... That swapping thing is so slow and hard to coordinate that it never works as it should and it requires three guys to do the job of one.

Jack1, true that there are less fiefs on NA which ofc makes it a lot harder to do effective trade, but the alliances thing isn't really true though, is it? Didn't you guys have like 5 months of peace this strat before Squids started attacking everyone?

Long spiked club was recently buffed making it an okay choice now. However it's fugly. Long voulge is awesome and we've used them since they were two-directionals iirc, not sure why everyone isn't though.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Keshian on September 02, 2014, 05:34:13 pm
This and the fact that some clans loom same crappy items in multiple fiefs instead of raising prosperity to actually gain gold to buy those... That swapping thing is so slow and hard to coordinate that it never works as it should and it requires three guys to do the job of one.


Also, the average NA faction has a lot less fiefs - some have only 1 or 2 - so theya re building it for themselves - geara nd prosperity.  The "efficiency" you speak of is inherent in any faction that has a huge number of fiefs nearly uncontested not as much some coordination thing.  Having a huge number of fiefs you can have quite a few solely dedicated to trade and others only to gear.  Its a symptom of large, lame alliances that kill the mod, so the fact NA often doesn't have it is a healthy sign.  Any idiot can do the trade coordination of fiefs that UIF does if you have 70 fiefs or more with 300+ players, its a numbers game more than an intelligent decision one.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Mr.K. on September 02, 2014, 05:43:05 pm
Also, the average NA faction has a lot less fiefs - some have only 1 or 2 - so theya re building it for themselves - geara nd prosperity.  The "efficiency" you speak of is inherent in any faction that has a huge number of fiefs nearly uncontested not as much some coordination thing.  Having a huge number of fiefs you can have quite a few solely dedicated to trade and others only to gear.  Its a symptom of large, lame alliances that kill the mod, so the fact NA often doesn't have it is a healthy sign.  Any idiot can do the trade coordination of fiefs that UIF does if you have 70 fiefs or more with 300+ players, its a numbers game more than an intelligent decision one.

As a faction of 10-15 active and around 50 players total, we've had 0-2 fiefs most of the strat. That has not stopped us from trading. We've specced our own fiefs to trade only and then used the other faction's loomed gear to gear up our armies. A small faction with two fiefs should not loom their own shit, but rather trade and coordinate with other clans what to loom.

Sure Strat is a lot about numbers, but there are plenty of fiefs everywhere with useless looms that could have been used for prosperity. Everyone should learn a thing or two from the UIF (especially the Druzhina) on how to organize trade. Ofc having the desert makes everything a lot easier as there are no obstacles or anywhere for bandits to hide or get away to (my goods stolen from NA traders are still in Unriya Town Center if someone is interested).
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Lt_Anders on September 02, 2014, 09:46:40 pm
As a faction of 10-15 active and around 50 players total, we've had 0-2 fiefs most of the strat. That has not stopped us from trading. We've specced our own fiefs to trade only and then used the other faction's loomed gear to gear up our armies. A small faction with two fiefs should not loom their own shit, but rather trade and coordinate with other clans what to loom.

Sure Strat is a lot about numbers, but there are plenty of fiefs everywhere with useless looms that could have been used for prosperity. Everyone should learn a thing or two from the UIF (especially the Druzhina) on how to organize trade. Ofc having the desert makes everything a lot easier as there are no obstacles or anywhere for bandits to hide or get away to (my goods stolen from NA traders are still in Unriya Town Center if someone is interested).

higher Prosperity means quicker increase in crime.

For example:
200 Props=6 days before crime
500 Prosp=3 days before crime
1000 Prosp= 2 days....

So, you don't want High prosp if you plan on garrisoning a fief(continually).
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: ARN_ on September 02, 2014, 09:55:53 pm
higher Prosperity means quicker increase in crime.

For example:
200 Props=6 days before crime
500 Prosp=3 days before crime
1000 Prosp= 2 days....

So, you don't want High prosp if you plan on garrisoning a fief(continually).
Well if you make a lot of gold that wont be a problem...
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Lt_Anders on September 02, 2014, 09:57:03 pm
Well if you make a lot of gold that wont be a problem...

Gold Silver(One of these days I'll start using the right term.) is rarely a limiting factor in strat, it is always tickets. Losing tickets is a problem that most NA factions can Ill afford.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: ARN_ on September 02, 2014, 10:04:30 pm
Gold Silver(One of these days I'll start using the right term.) is rarely a limiting factor in strat, it is always tickets. Losing tickets is a problem that most NA factions can Ill afford.
I mean if you want to garrison a place make it a buying fief and when you make a shit ton of silver you can buy all of that goods no problem, even if it's a selling fief just buy it if you have to

NA and strat...
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Lt_Anders on September 02, 2014, 10:07:08 pm
I mean if you want to garrison a place make it a buying fief and when you make a shit ton of silver you can buy all of that goods no problem, even if it's a selling fief just buy it if you have to

NA and strat...

And how then, do you hold onto your sell feifs? What if you are under attack?

NA is far to aggressive to let it slide with a no army fief. Someone will attack it when it's s/d goes up and it has high crime.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Mr.K. on September 02, 2014, 11:00:04 pm
And how then, do you hold onto your sell feifs? What if you are under attack?

NA is far to aggressive to let it slide with a no army fief. Someone will attack it when it's s/d goes up and it has high crime.

Buy the goods in your selling fief.... It can't be that hard, can it?

Also high crime means they can't defend it either even if they take it. Just go back a day later and take it back. Or do you think we can sail to UIF lands on EU and take their fiefs just because they can't put armies in? Think again.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Balikar on September 02, 2014, 11:20:37 pm
Here's the thing Anders is getting at.  If you are forced to buy the SnD at a sell fief, consistently, two things happen.  1)  You don't have the gear to defend it.  or 2) You run out of money.  The fief, in and of itself,  only makes money from transactions.  If the crime is going up, it's because there aren't transactions happening.  Also, keep in mind, he's speaking from a central fief.  The bonuses are a little harder to come by in the middle when it comes to goods, and most people aim for a fringe fief to sell at (One towards the side of the map) 
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: BaleOhay on September 02, 2014, 11:27:00 pm
ballicker is correct
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: HappyPhantom on September 02, 2014, 11:50:36 pm
As a trader I can surely confirm those central Astralis fiefs were annoying to buy from, I would pop in on my way through often because: lots of S&D. And then could never get a very good % bonus for them - often selling goods from there at ~200% (whereas generally I'm aiming for 300-350%).
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Lt_Anders on September 03, 2014, 12:04:11 am
As a trader I can surely confirm those central Astralis fiefs were annoying to buy from, I would pop in on my way through often because: lots of S&D. And then could never get a very good % bonus for them - often selling goods from there at ~200% (whereas generally I'm aiming for 300-350%).

Still, low tax makes up for the shittier %. At this point, I almost should have specced it as a gear fief, but we needed a safe buy spot so we went with that, even if the bonus sucks, it makes us money when we need it.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Balikar on September 03, 2014, 12:30:42 am
ballicker is correct

Hey now, I'm the enemy.  At least downvote the post! 
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: BaleOhay on September 03, 2014, 12:37:15 am
but I like what you said and what I choose to think you are doing while you said it!
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Mr.K. on September 03, 2014, 01:27:54 am
Here's the thing Anders is getting at.  If you are forced to buy the SnD at a sell fief, consistently, two things happen.  1)  You don't have the gear to defend it.  or 2) You run out of money.  The fief, in and of itself,  only makes money from transactions.  If the crime is going up, it's because there aren't transactions happening.  Also, keep in mind, he's speaking from a central fief.  The bonuses are a little harder to come by in the middle when it comes to goods, and most people aim for a fringe fief to sell at (One towards the side of the map)

For 800 prosperity, 23 price the worst case scenario would be that you'll never ever get any goods in to the fief you can sell:

400 goods bought a day, 400 sold at -50% = 400*23*0.5=4.6k* per day. For a month you'd need 140k, so about one tenth of a medium army wasted.
*=actually it isn't even that bad, because the price will go down once you sell the 400 goods and you'll buy with a lower price

But let's be honest, how likely is it that no one is able to smuggle any goods into the fief for a month?

I agree about the location, it's not optimal, especially not on NA, where there's less of those fiefs on the edge of the map.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Bryggan on September 03, 2014, 02:22:51 am
Trading in Europe is easy.  Just go fief to fief around the map in a circular fashion and buy 249 goods when you can and sell whenever you come across a fief and your goods are over 300%.  You just wander with your maximum crates, and after you sell 249 or so, you just buy more at the next one.  I was carrying about 1500 goods at a time and still moving quite fast.

In North America there were few free trade fiefs, and the distance between them was greater, so I'd just go back and forth across the map, then sit and wait if there was no SD available.  As for the dumping of goods, it works within a small faction.  The guy who's tied to his fief can sell it when best to keep his SD at reasonable levels.  And he gets half the money, which usually goes into one big pot anyways.

Also small factions loomed what they needed, starting with the cheap stuff cuz that's all they could afford at the beginning.  And while you could make a deal with a neighbouring faction that you'll loom 2 handers and polearms if they loom 1 handers and shields, but if you happen to go to war with each other it could make for some pretty crappy battles.

But crime is a bitch.  If you can't control it due to lack of money or trade partners, you lose your garrison.  You lose your garrison anyone can walk in and raid your fief.  I'd say make crime hurt the citizens rather than the garrison, and only up to half the population can be lost.  And get rid of raids altogether.  What exactly was the point of them any way?  So people can have one exp battle, then a peasant slaughter 24 hours later?

So NA is shittier cuz it has a lower population, less fiefs, less silver and more crime (at least compared to EU when it was active).  This is sort of historically accurate.  We're a backwoods population, like Scotland in medieval times, or the barbarians circling the edges of the Roman Empire.  But what we lack in gear and equipment we make up for in ferocity.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Algarn on September 03, 2014, 04:27:42 pm
But what we lack in gear and equipment we make up for in ferocity.

Angry peasants are more dangerous than trained, armed and armored foes ? That's quite new to me.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Bryggan on September 03, 2014, 07:29:27 pm
Angry peasants are more dangerous than trained, armed and armored foes ? That's quite new to me.
Well the Scots never defeated the English did they? But they beat the other Scots regularly. And NA could beat the euros with our crap gear if they had a bunch of civil wars and we outnumbered them ten to one like what happened to the Romans.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: StonedSteel on September 03, 2014, 08:32:59 pm
Angry peasants are more dangerous than trained, armed and armored foes ? That's quite new to me.

BRO, WE TRAIN, WE TRAIN HARD! WE TRAIN WITH ROCKS AND SHIT!

GOML
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Algarn on September 04, 2014, 12:28:53 am
Well the Scots never defeated the English did they? But they beat the other Scots regularly. And NA could beat the euros with our crap gear if they had a bunch of civil wars and we outnumbered them ten to one like what happened to the Romans.

Well, go liberate european strat if you want to, go to fight plated guys and archers shooting from 120 metters while wearing shirts, and using short bows and clubs.

And technically/historically speaking, the scots were an exception. Most of time, it was more like a huge slaughter when you saw 200 knights vs 500 peasants. As it's not history thread and shit, all I can say is I remember last strat some good shit mercs did (yes, they did manage to win some battles) : 50 guys, armored with regular and -1 plates against some patroller (1000 guys) armed with mail. They didn't expect the plate part, so, they lost all their troops, gear and shit, because you can't win against plated guys with low tier equipment.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Bryggan on September 04, 2014, 03:51:13 am
If you actually read my posts, I never said peasants could beat heavily armed men.  The scots had one or two victories against the English, but mostly got their asses handed to them because they had shit gear.  Also the barbarians on the outskirts of the Roman Empire got constantly thrashed by the Romans because they had better gear... at least until the empire fell.

The essence of what I was saying is that in history, places with a less dense population had crappier gear.  And ferocity doesn't equal victory.  I never said that.  The Maoris were very fierce, but I'd rather have a British carbine than a shark-tooth club in fight.

But the point is is that this strat sucks, go back to old prices, ease up with the crime, and make troop cap dependent on renown.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Taser on September 04, 2014, 04:05:23 am
If you actually read my posts, I never said peasants could beat heavily armed men.  The scots had one or two victories against the English, but mostly got their asses handed to them because they had shit gear.  Also the barbarians on the outskirts of the Roman Empire got constantly thrashed by the Romans because they had better gear... at least until the empire fell.

The essence of what I was saying is that in history, places with a less dense population had crappier gear.  And ferocity doesn't equal victory.  I never said that.  The Maoris were very fierce, but I'd rather have a British carbine than a shark-tooth club in fight.

But the point is is that this strat sucks, go back to old prices, ease up with the crime, and make troop cap dependent on renown.

Fucking english with their masterworks.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Testicleez on September 10, 2014, 07:32:07 pm
i checkt da bettle page an woah im liek dam sun

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Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Artyem on September 11, 2014, 06:53:56 am
Strat sucks because a lot of people lost interest very early in the round.  More importantly, a number of clan / faction leaders lost interest and as a result their entire factions lost interest.

It should probably be reset, open it up with a watered down combo of strat 4 / 5 mechanics.  With the already small player base in decline, we may as well keep it interesting and fair for the remaining players.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Keshian on September 11, 2014, 08:28:37 am
They need to switch down to max 41 players in a roster just like they reduced it from 61 to 51 years ago as the population and activity levels declined.  Having so many one-sided battles because rosters are so hard to fill, especially for attackers deters even more people from signing up and participating.  Also, double the xp in strat like they doubled xp on battle servers to stay competitive in keeping players' interest.
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Post by: BaleOhay on September 11, 2014, 01:07:08 pm
i checkt da bettle page an woah im liek dam sun

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look now and smile!
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Post by: Testicleez on September 11, 2014, 09:05:34 pm
look now and smile!

So many big battles!

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I can't even play this game anymore, but I keep up with strat a bit and the amount of SUPER LAMENESSS is obvious! You have Kesh's Crew/Squids pushing in on KbW, then you have... Wait, that's it. What happened?

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^^^ That was just the other night, that's sad. 28 people on NA_1 at 8:45pm EST. There's definitely less people playing c-RPG in general, so we need to compensate for Strategus. Give more XP, bring down the prices of gear drastically, I don't know! When all is said & done, when each round of strat ends, you go back & remember those awesome moments in battles "Hey man, remember when no one thought we were gonna take Tilbaut! We built like 6 catapults and finally busted through that small opening and took the castle with like 5 minutes left!" ... That's the awesome part of Strat. Planning out strategies before a big battle, carrying them out & defeating your enemy (or at least going down with a big fight!) Even though I can't play anymore, I miss those moments! I'm sure a lot of other people do too. They're just not happening anymore like they used to.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: MURDERTRON on September 11, 2014, 11:02:49 pm
Too much brocoding in Strat.  I blame testi.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Bryggan on September 12, 2014, 04:01:28 am
I agree about the bro-coding.  Everyone chooses sides, and then that's it.  Can't play for fun, cuz you might hurt someone's feelings.  People can't fight for a bit, gain some territory and then try make a treaty, or even an alliance, cuz they now hate each other right now.

So, stop this strat and:

Divide the map into 5 or 6 countries, each with 3ish cities of which one is the capital (along the lines of single player).  Distribute the fiefs by a random lottery, and if you happen to be lucky enough to get a village, you are now a vassal to whoever owns the city that is closest.  If you are lucky enough to get a city, you are now a vassal to whoever owns the capital.  If you are lucky enough to get the capital, then you are the king.  And if you are unlucky and suck being a king and all your vassals hate you, they can have a civil war and besiege the capital.  Castles are like cities, but you have no vassals.

If we can fight on NA1 without getting bitchy and butthurt, maybe we could do it on strat.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Keshian on September 12, 2014, 04:39:25 am
Most NA primetime battles never even get 40 on either side.  We need to reduce max merc amount for abttles to adapt to how dead this community has become and the flagging participation.  Though doubled xp would also help a bit.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on September 12, 2014, 04:50:10 am
Or all of you people in positions could stop being such pussies and make kingdoms like the REALM OF THE GOBBLIN KING and do whatever the fuck you want, be the villain Strat needs.

Taking yet another opportunity to say this Strat is horrible and when I try to think of a highlight I cannot think of a single damn thing. The only highlight that comes to my mind is Hospitaller losing their shit in TS3 about Gforce.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: imisshotmail on September 12, 2014, 05:08:54 am
I agree about the bro-coding.  Everyone chooses sides, and then that's it.  Can't play for fun, cuz you might hurt someone's feelings.  People can't fight for a bit, gain some territory and then try make a treaty, or even an alliance, cuz they now hate each other right now.

So, stop this strat and:

Divide the map into 5 or 6 countries, each with 3ish cities of which one is the capital (along the lines of single player).  Distribute the fiefs by a random lottery, and if you happen to be lucky enough to get a village, you are now a vassal to whoever owns the city that is closest.  If you are lucky enough to get a city, you are now a vassal to whoever owns the capital.  If you are lucky enough to get the capital, then you are the king.  And if you are unlucky and suck being a king and all your vassals hate you, they can have a civil war and besiege the capital.  Castles are like cities, but you have no vassals.

If we can fight on NA1 without getting bitchy and butthurt, maybe we could do it on strat.

this is such a stupid idea. it's difficult(read: impossible) enough already to try get people you know and are friends to do things in strategus right, if it's just random people nothing would ever happen, especially considering if it was people you might not like.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: imisshotmail on September 12, 2014, 05:12:09 am
best idea to make strategus good again-

remove all of the map except the desert area, in the desert put in 16~ fiefs divided into 10 villages, 4castles, 2 cities or something like that. make strat ticks something that is gained hourly automatically, and you can expend them to get troops or gold (much more gold than you do currently from ticks), then make gold lootable and remove the entire tedious trading system. remove heirloomed items in strategus because that also just adds needless micro and tedium. if a faction ever owns over 2/3 the map for 1week, strategus gets reset to start again and that faction gets some sort of ingame bonus (10million gold split between them.. or something).
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on September 14, 2014, 11:50:29 am
This is nonsense since strat to the dominant weapon class I've seen has been 2h.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on September 14, 2014, 05:49:15 pm
I think to make next strat better will be to make it closer to strat 4.  Vote for fiefs, lower gear costs, speed up movement even more than it is now.  When you quick march allow people to cool down sooner (like maybe 10 hours min, 15 hours max).  Remove night time settings, and give the Chinamen their own strat map (make it small like NA if you need to). 

I never understood why gold wasn't lootable on armies you defeat, it should be.

Also having some sort of end game rewards would be nice and encourage people to fight over fiefs (not everyone gets rewarded, only the top 1 or 2 factions, and it gets scaled down to how many people are in the faction).
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on September 14, 2014, 09:17:36 pm
implying there will be a strat 6
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Chosen1 on September 14, 2014, 09:27:04 pm
implying mod isnt dead
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Digglez on September 15, 2014, 05:40:44 pm
Very good post by OP, very valid points about weapon & equipment costs.  Strat really needs its own price adjustment, hopefully somewhat based on reality (cost & rarity of materials, labor involved in creation, etc).

No reason why spears & pikes should cost anywhere near as much as swords, etc
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on September 17, 2014, 04:24:53 am
I say we just use simple, farmy strat mechanics next round. Simplify it to "X troops/gold" per hour for everyone, plus bonuses from controlled fiefs, with maybe a "loot" option when you capture a fief to suck out a bunch of gold short term instead of long term taxation/extra ticks.

Fuck trading its boring.

Fuck broken gear. Its annoying dealing with that shit all breaking after a fight. Either loomed or normal.

Just simplify it so we can have our nerdy battles without annoying mechanics. No one likes work, especially in a free mod with a bored population

What makes strat fun is everything except bullshit and logistical bullshit especially. Pretending to lead little medieval armies with unique heraldry and weapons with our fellow nerds is fun. Strategy--in the form of maneuver on the map and diplomacy is fun. Trade isn't. Jesus christ its the one thing that Civ and RTW automate.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on September 17, 2014, 04:35:08 am
joe shut the fuck up and start RP posting

edit: sorry, that came off as rude so I'm going to also say

please
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Kaido on September 17, 2014, 03:20:30 pm
How the fuck all the good clans team up just to dominate the whole strat.I don't get it.I mean i would always go with the team that has less players/losing/worst, just to see it win and get better and that's fun for me.What's fun about the merged shitlord clans druz/greyz and all of them just to dominate the whole map?Is it rly that fun for you to always win?
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: naduril on September 17, 2014, 03:51:58 pm
Is it rly that fun for you to always win?
Aga
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: imisshotmail on September 17, 2014, 04:18:22 pm
What's fun about the merged shitlord clans druz/greyz and all of them just to dominate the whole map?Is it rly that fun for you to always win?

They're friends with each other and enjoy playing together. It's not really hard to understand.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Kaido on September 17, 2014, 05:09:37 pm
They're friends with each other and enjoy playing together. It's not really hard to understand and you suck dick cuz you didn't get it KID.
So if friends lets make a merge with every clan/guy we are sub friends with to dominate the game?Is this how it works?
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Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on September 18, 2014, 03:32:04 am
joe shut the fuck up and start RP posting

edit: sorry, that came off as rude so I'm going to also say

please

But this is the wrong forum that'd be inappropriate.
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Knute on October 06, 2014, 02:21:21 pm
I hope next round the developers:

1. Lower equipment prices. I'm guessing they did this as an overreaction to all the plate battles at the end of last strat? There has to be a better solution to make plate more rare. How about instead of raising the price on everything make a curve with just the very highest end equipment expensive.

Also I think it'd be cool to have regional perma discounts on certain types of equipment to add to role playing and strategy. For example, all middle eastern style equipment starts 40% off in desert regions, Nordic style gear 40% off in snow regions, Asian and horse archer gear in the steppe, etc.

2. Clean up this forum. Years of time and effort spent making Strategus but can't be bothered to unsticky the out of date FAQ threads? There's probably been a lot of people who were interested in playing strat but couldn't even find the link.

3. If something isn't working, change it with a minor adjustment. It seemed pretty clear early on that cavalry as a class was removed from this round. Why not make an adjustment to horse prices instead of letting a big chunk of the player base slip away from disinterest?
Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on October 06, 2014, 05:39:36 pm
Knute pretty much nailed the reasons I stopped playing this Strat in its first month.

lets stop this terrible strat round instead of letting it waddle on beleaguered by the worst mechanics ever

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Title: Re: This Strat Sucks ( bitter rant ahead )
Post by: Horns_Archive on October 17, 2014, 04:26:44 pm
Horns' plan to make strat better:

Step 1: Accept the fact that strat sucks.
Step 2: Take off pants and watch netflix.

Guaranteed to make strat better 10/10.