A firearms instructor has died after he was shot by a nine-year-old girl when she fired an Uzi at a shooting range in the Arizona desert.(click to show/hide)
omg ... :|
fire arms + children is a crime..what a stupid familly pays for instructor for their children ????How exactly is it a crime? Teaching your kids how to handle guns at a young age is the best way to have them treat firearms with respect and care when they're older too.
Crazy pple....
How exactly is it a crime? Teaching your kids how to handle guns at a young age is the best way to have them treat firearms with respect and care when they're older too.Yes this is why we give them drivinglicense when they are 10. because the younger they are the easier it is for them to understand responsebility.
How exactly is it a crime? Teaching your kids how to handle guns at a young age is the best way to have them treat firearms with respect and care when they're older too.Let them also do smack and drive while under influence. Parentingadvice from daddy Xant.
Yes this is why we give them drivinglicense when they are 10. because the younger they are the easier it is for them to understand responsebility.Because firing a gun under supervision is TOTALLY the same as giving them a driving license and driving under influence.
No. Dying that way is just so incredibly stupid and senseless. To be honest it's to stupid to laugh about it, I was like "meh" irl. :?
Why the hell would you give an automatic weapon to a child that can't handle the recoil?
I'm fine with gun culture, but that was a reckless decision right there
There's two different approaches to the idea of guns in society from what I can tell.Pretty much this.
For someone from a densely populated urban area, guns almost always equate to crime. Why would you need to carry a gun or even know how to use one? There's cops, that's what they're there for. Someone with a gun is seen as either a dubious, slightly/very paranoid vigilantee wannabe or a criminal.
For someone from a sparsely populated rural area, guns are just one of many things you are introduced to at a young age. Farm kids have been shooting guns and hunting since the invention of the fucking thing. Pretending it's some sort insane abberation is disengenuous. When the nearest help is miles away, posession of a gun and knowledge on how to use it is as sensible as keeping a well-stocked pharmacy. It's just another tool and it is perceived as such.
Whenever I see the gun debate pop up I always like to ask that question. Where did you grow up or currently live? What type of environment have you lived in most of your life, sparsely populated rural or densely populated urban? It explains a lot of the american political divide on this issue (and others). Rural vs urban is a saga that stretches quite a long way back.
Wise words coming out of your mouth, Xant. Just 50 yeards from my place is shooting range (not in the open field though). Local children regularly come there to play with miniguns. Oh wait, that is PC cafe with Call of Duty installed.Wat? No live ammo in a shooting range? Which country do you live in, again? And is your claim that there are no shooting ranges with live ammo in your country? If not, how is it relevant that your nearest range doesn't have live ammo..?
Yes there are shooting ranges in every country, and yes, kids do practice there at least once as part of elementary school activity. However, only guns you can fire in there don't use live ammo and aren't automatic. No need for that, because you're training your aiming skills not lethality of firearms.
More like "A shooting instructor got killed by his profession".Children is not his profession :?
For someone from a sparsely populated rural area, guns are just one of many things you are introduced to at a young age. Farm kids have been shooting guns and hunting since the invention of the fucking thing.
Wat? No live ammo in a shooting range? Which country do you live in, again? And is your claim that there are no shooting ranges with live ammo in your country? If not, how is it relevant that your nearest range doesn't have live ammo..?
Teaching your kids how to handle guns at a young age is the best way to have them treat firearms with respect and care when they're older too.
Of course you don't understand, when your country is the "black sheep" of Europe when it comes to weapon regulations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nationOh my god, do you ever make a post that isn't full of retard? How is Finland the "black sheep"? What does that have to do with the current discussion? What do your wikipedia links have to do with shooting ranges? Rhetorical questions. Answer: nothing.
My country has harsh regulations but no one cares for that and therefore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownership9 I'm ashamed.
The guy doesn't seem to even tell her its gonna be on full auto.. Let it be a "Fun surprise!" perhaps?
I bet anyone would be surprised if their single shot (whatever its called) suddenly turned to full auto...
If you are gonna teach your kid how to use a gun don't give them a weapon with auto give them a bolt-action or some shit.
A firearm is nothing that belongs into the hands of a nine-year-old girl, supervised or not. What the hell is wrong with ppl?
For someone from a densely populated urban area, guns almost always equate to crime. Why would you need to carry a gun or even know how to use one? There's cops, that's what they're there for. Someone with a gun is seen as either a dubious, slightly/very paranoid vigilantee wannabe or a criminal.
she wasnt being "taught" it was her parents taking her to the range to experience something new and unique.
Just like that one special time when your parents took you to the zoo to experience something new and unique :lol:
They took him to the zoo so he could learn about sex by looking at apes, explains the furry.
I had a similar discussion with one other guy once. And all the points were similar. But the thing is, in my country, where the gunlaws are very strict majority of the people living in rural areas do own a gun. Specifically a huntingrifle and mybe a handgun aswell. Responsibly used its a tool for many things and quite viable yes. And im cool with that. I dont get however wtf would a responsible civilian do with 10 assault rifles? Personally this is why im kinda against liberal gunlaws. I can clearly see from where im standing where the laws are strict, that people who really need it and depend on it, own it and people who got no buisness getting one, dont have one. They could get one if they really hassled with it, but why bother if you dont need it.(click to show/hide)
Just like that one special time when your parents took you to the zoo to experience something new and unique :lol:
Wtf.. Does an Uzi even recoil that way?
I had a similar discussion with one other guy once. And all the points were similar. But the thing is, in my country, where the gunlaws are very strict majority of the people living in rural areas do own a gun. Specifically a huntingrifle and mybe a handgun aswell. Responsibly used its a tool for many things and quite viable yes. And im cool with that. I dont get however wtf would a responsible civilian do with 10 assault rifles? Personally this is why im kinda against liberal gunlaws. I can clearly see from where im standing where the laws are strict, that people who really need it and depend on it, own it and people who got no buisness getting one, dont have one. They could get one if they really hassled with it, but why bother if you dont need it.
How exactly is it a crime? Teaching your kids how to handle guns at a young age is the best way to have them treat firearms with respect and care when they're older too.
What nonsense, even if the driver license comparison is a bit off, there is truth in it. A nine year old simply cannot judge the consequences of firing guns in the same way as adults. Also if you have anything to do with children or have own kids it is really a very strange idea to teach them shooting out of 2 million other things they can learn, sport, music, theatre whatever. And last this incident had nothing to do with teaching, I mean look at their site: http://bulletsandburgers.com/What nonsense indeed - from you. Driver's license garbage has literally zero logical relevance here. Like I said, UNDER SUPERVISION, so the nine year old's "judgement that isn't as good as an adult's" is meaningless. It's your opinion that it's a strange idea. Others might think teaching them sports is a very strange idea. Just as valid.
Don't worry dude, good luck buying an assault rifle in america
Please don't sell assault rifles to the weird furry.
What nonsense indeed - from you. Driver's license garbage has literally zero logical relevance here. Like I said, UNDER SUPERVISION, so the nine year old's "judgement that isn't as good as an adult's" is meaningless. It's your opinion that it's a strange idea. Others might think teaching them sports is a very strange idea. Just as valid.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2014205/Girl-10-dies-locking-box-playing-hide-seek.html
https://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/taiwanese-teen-dies-40-hour-diablo-iii-marathon-190451985.html
Two examples of young people dying. One was playing hide and seek, another played video games. Was there an outrage about how children are playing hide and seek too early? That video games are lethal? Nope. Accidents happen in everything.
Being under adult supervision doesn't mean shit if it's a 9 year old with her finger on the trigger, just as how adult supervision doesn't mean shit if it's a 9 year old behind the wheel of a car.Being under adult supervision means everything even if it's a 9 year old with her finger on the trigger. Do you even know how firearms work? It's completely safe if the supervision and instruction is done properly.
You're assuming that everything is completely under control and predictable when a small child is under adult supervision, as if the adult has these magical powers that prevent the child from doing anything an adult wouldn't. As if their smaller stature, inability to control emotions, general lack of understanding what consequences are, and short attention span mean is suddenly a non-factor just because there is this thing called "proper adult supervision." Have you ever spent a significant amount of time with small children in a supervisory role? I'm guessing no.Unless you're suggesting a small child can overpower a grown man, I don't see how any of that is relevant.
Being under adult supervision means everything even if it's a 9 year old with her finger on the trigger. Do you even know how firearms work? It's completely safe if the supervision and instruction is done properly.
You dont need a full-auto weapon to teach gun resposiblity so i assume that you mean a low recoil semi-auto handgun. Then again why would someone take, in this case, a 9 year old to the range to shoot?
Well yea, i would rather teach a 9 year old not to touch guns at all
You dont need a full-auto weapon to teach gun resposiblity so i assume that you mean a low recoil semi-auto handgun. Then again why would someone take, in this case, a 9 year old to the range to shoot?You don't need full auto, no. And why not take a 9 year old to the range to shoot? It's an activity the same as any other. I shot pistols when I was younger than 9, and not at a range either.
Unless you're suggesting a small child can overpower a grown man, I don't see how any of that is relevant.
What does this have to do with anything? Are you saying that proper adult supervision for a small child shooting a gun means having to physically control the child?Obviously you want to be close enough to physically control the child, especially if you're doing it as your job and you don't personally know them.
clockwork, i know you live in Maryland, if you need instruction on purchasing a assault rifle, let me know, i can guide you through the steps since Maryland went full retard after the last school shooting propaganda. Unfortunately, loop holes exist and purchasing assault rifles is still just about the same as before, luckily for me, im "grandfathered" in, and therefore the assault weapons i have, remain mine, even though the laws on them have changed.
Honestly, a better analogy would be alcohol laws in Europe vs Teen drinking in the U.S. The different cultures give different views, and have their own issues due to them.
The man was sacrificed for the glory of the 2nd Amendment! Hail!
It would be awesome if Xant and AntiBlitz back up their claims with youtube video. Find a 9 year old, give him/her automatic gun/rifle, instruct them and tell them to fire. Record the video. If everything goes wrong, you'll prove your point. If everything goes as it should, ya know... it's a win-win situation either way.So you don't understand English is what you're trying to say? Or is it language in general? Your autism doesn't give you the powers of concentration? That's a shame. What you're saying has no relevance to anything I've said.
How exactly is it a crime? Teaching your kids how to handle guns at a young age is the best way to have them treat firearms with respect and care when they're older too.
Obviously you want to be close enough to physically control the child, especially if you're doing it as your job and you don't personally know them.
This is the part I don't understand. If the child is not able to properly fire the gun alone then it has no business firing one. There is no educational value in this. I started shooting younger than she did but it was with an air rifle, not a fucking Uzi. Although now that I think about it I have to go thank my parents for not letting me fire a submachine gun on full auto at age 9, unlike those two idiots who have succeeded in destroying their daughter's childhood.That is definitely not an Universal Truth of the Universe. You can't just state things as facts without backing them up in any way and expect them to stand as valid points. It's 100% just an opinion that the kid has no "business firing one." Not to mention that just because you're there to make sure it's safe doesn't mean the kid isn't capable of properly doing it themselves.
I hope you will never have children.....Says a guy who shows his son downvotes to make him cry. Disgusting.
That is definitely not an Universal Truth of the Universe. You can't just state things as facts without backing them up in any way and expect them to stand as valid points. It's 100% just an opinion that the kid has no "business firing one." Not to mention that just because you're there to make sure it's safe doesn't mean the kid isn't capable of properly doing it themselves.
To simplify: if I was a range instructor, I would constantly be close enough to intercept anything dangerous. If it was my own kid, I'd do the same until my kid demonstrated that they deserve more autonomy. Same way it was for me, and I was capable of understanding what a firearm was and what not to do even at a young age.
Says a guy who shows his son downvotes to make him cry. Disgusting.
No you're right of course. Nothing can possibly go wrong with proper adult supervision.Newsflash: something can always go wrong. With everything. Yet, there's tons of kids firing guns in tons of countries every year, yet we don't have to shove aside a handful of dead kids every time we go outside. Freak accident.
Especially when it concerns giving this:(click to show/hide)
a 9 year old.
Anyway, I don't even know why I'm arguing with you.
And yes, you should probably stop arguing with me when you don't even know what your position is. Or mine.
Your position changes when necessary. But you're good at hiding that and that makes you a good troll. I'm somewhat more obvious and that makes me a fool, which means people start to pity me or ignore me if I keep it for too long (people lose interest). You still got high conversion level of posts written : people infuriated. Keep up the good work. Hopefully your trolling will last through another quarter, seems like you're pushing it as of lately.
I know this post is PM material but I like to chat in the open.
the problem here is irresponsible instruction and parenting, not the right to bear arms
@Xant Your point of teaching young kids responsibility by exposing them to deadly devices surely is a clever thing. I mean an adult guy could never handle a gun if he didn't learn it from early age on because he would lack responsibility. So only way is to expose those kids at young age with weapons!You might want to read some psychology. Upbringing has a big effect on the human psyche.
But you guys want your government to fear its citizen. so you stockpile all kinds of weaponry despite the fact most of you don't use it.
Gabe Newell is an American who realized that, swapped guns with PC games and now rakes in billions from a thing called Steam.
It is, because weapons like Uzi shouldn't be issued to civilians. Which is reality in most countries. But you guys want your government to fear its citizen. so you stockpile all kinds of weaponry despite the fact most of you don't use it. Gabe Newell is an American who realized that, swapped guns with PC games and now rakes in billions from a thing called Steam.
@Xant Your point of teaching young kids responsibility by exposing them to deadly devices surely is a clever thing. I mean an adult guy could never handle a gun if he didn't learn it from early age on because he would lack responsibility. So only way is to expose those kids at young age with weapons!
It's not just teaching them about responsibility with a gun, it teaches them responsibility for all things in life.
What nonsense indeed - from you. Driver's license garbage has literally zero logical relevance here. Like I said, UNDER SUPERVISION, so the nine year old's "judgement that isn't as good as an adult's" is meaningless. It's your opinion that it's a strange idea. Others might think teaching them sports is a very strange idea. Just as valid.
how manu children killed by burglars ?
How many killed by weapons at home ?
how many killed by intrafamillial murderers ?
What is most dangerous ? : WEAPONS !!!!!
Don't need weapons to be safe.... weapons at home with kids IS danger.... Whatever history of society is.... that is a reality !You never had an unexpected North African guest in your home? :wink:
You never had an unexpected North African guest in your home? :wink:
@Xant You can upbring a kid successfully without teaching them how to fire a gun. As it seems it works better in all other countries than in the USA.visitors can't see pics , please register or login
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You are a facepalm.You're context blind. But you're not alone in that on cRPG forums, so I forgive you......................................... my son.
Damn city people discussing guns. Forget those silly full auto rifles. How am I gonna get my moose meat if I don't know how to shoot? Or what am I gonna do if some sick fox comes to my yard to harass my dog every night and infect diseases? Ofc I'm gonna kill it before it harms my dog.
Your dog is not an endangered specie, unlike that fox you just killed, you savage! PETA wants a word with you.
Jokes aside, that is how our wildlings deal with things. You Finns are civilized and should know better :P
Save ammo for trespassing Russians, PETA won't bother you in that case.
PETA can kiss my ass :lol:
The only way to kill foxes :(click to show/hide)
They'll send oorah marines at your doorstep. Artic monk..erm.. foxes deserve freedom!
Human Winland population (2013 wiki source): 5,451,270
Artic foxes population in Scandinavia: 119 (was 120 before you shot one)
If them foxes could talk, they would scream genocide. Just look at those eyes:(click to show/hide)
hunting with guns it's so pussy
I would never ever kill a wild arctic fox.Really? Even if it was going to kill your dog?
Really? Even if it was going to kill your dog?
That's highly unlikely since arctic foxes don't come near human population. Not to mention it doesn't have the muscle to kill a hunting dog (if it doesn't have mange... If it has mange it's going to die soon anyways.)That's sidestepping the question, though. And pretty sure it could kill a puppy.
hunting with guns it's so pussy
That's sidestepping the question, though. And pretty sure it could kill a puppy.
half empty bottle of vodka.easy mode
seems to be a fake ?No.
If them foxes could talk, they would scream genocide. Just look at those eyes:
last i checked no one knew what the foxes say