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Title: Computer Build
Post by: Lemon_ on July 10, 2014, 07:51:40 pm
I am completely new to building computers, and have never built one before. I do however have friends who are experienced and will help throughout the actual building of the computer, but I still need help on what parts I would like to get.

I have set aside $1200 for the build, but I could raise that to perhaps $1400 if needed. The real requirement i'm looking for this computer is that i'll be able to run-

1. The New Star Wars Battlefront game (http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=8081&game=Star%20Wars:%20Battlefront%20III)
2. Kingdom Come: Deliverance (not sure how accurate this is, but http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=9229&game=Kingdom%20Come:%20Deliverance)
3. Destiny (iffy on whether or not it's coming to pc or not, so you can kinda ignore this one)
4. STAR CITIZEN (no idea what I would need to run this, but as long as it's playable with decent fps i'd be happy. I found this thread (https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/22025/guide-to-can-my-pc-laptop-run-star-citizen) Honestly, 30 fps on lowest settings is all I ask for.

pcpartpicker is preferable as i'm comfortable with it.


Here is a ~1200 build done by my cousin http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ercman99/saved/J3hypg

Unsure if that's any good or relevant.

and here is another one, which looked good other than the case http://pcpartpicker.com/user/EPiCxCOMMANDER/saved/nzNzK8 (might not fit everything)

ANY HELP OR CRITIQUE IS WELCOMED AND NEEDED, THANKS!
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on July 10, 2014, 07:55:08 pm
[H]ello!
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Huscarlton_Banks on July 10, 2014, 07:57:44 pm
Well, I don't know about the prices, but this is generally the go-to guide for picking parts based on price tiers.

http://www.logicalincrements.com/
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Leesin on July 10, 2014, 08:05:28 pm
Just pirate the operating system you want and then you free up 130 dollars which I personally would spend on a better graphics card. But hey who would pirate Windows right?.
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Chosen1 on July 10, 2014, 08:23:01 pm
21-18
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 10, 2014, 09:00:34 pm
You could also think about ditching the SSD if your main goal is gaming. SSD will reduce boot and loading speed (which is really great IMO), but as long as you have sufficient RAM a better GPU will have much more influence on fps.
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Senni__Ti on July 10, 2014, 10:54:58 pm
Current build doesn't count the GPU (it has no price). It would be better to get a more modern GPU anyway.

Tadaah
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9fwzhM

You can switch the case back, I just know this case is good (I own one), nothing flashy.

Notes:
- no SSD (you could squeeze a Samsung 840 EVO 120gb in I think, but it's not necessary for an initial build)
- Sorry about the Keyboard being MW3, but it's a decent keyboard that's cheaper because it's got MW3 on it. (again I own one :P)
- Less buttons on the mouse, but it's a really good mouse!
- I think the 760 is roughly the same as a 660ti, with the cooler I chose for yours, you should be able to OC easily.
- You could save about $100 going down to a 4670k (quad core, no hyperthreading), shouldn't notice too much difference in most games.
Mostly games are GPU limited.
- If you ever want to put a second GPU in for SLI, then you'll need a new power supply.
- The headset I chose should be cheaper, I think you can save $10 going to amazon direct. Again it's a decent headset, I love mine. However, the cabling has cracked after about 1 1/2 years (still under warranty, I haven't got round to sending it off for RMA :p).



EDIT:
Alternative:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mL8Jgs

Notes:
- Dropped down to the 4670k, but swapped the 760 with a R9 290.
- Should have much better FPS in games and be able to run at higher resolutions.
- HDD is Blue instead of Black, shouldn't notice much difference (slightly worse).
- When it comes to upgrading, you will have 2 main paths, CPU and GPU, whereas the other build will only have GPU. (The other is better for upgrading, less wasteful)
- R9 290 is usually a very hot card, but this cooler will keep it below most Nvidia cards :p. (A lot of reviews talk about the temp)

TLDR:
First build has a better CPU, and a decent GPU.
Second Build has a decent CPU and a better GPU.

If you don't care about upgrading in the future and just want a solid build for the next 2+ years, then No.2 is best.
It should be able to run everything on High and 1080p, if not better.
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Lemon_ on July 10, 2014, 11:46:53 pm
Quote from: Senni__Ti on July 10, 2014, 10:54:58 pm
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Thanks for the quick response and such a detailed one. Both of these builds look nice, I'm curious to which one you'd favor. Again, I'm not very knowledgeable on computers, so I'm unsure on what all the specs mean  :lol:  Would it be able to run Star citizen on minimal graphics?  How long would it stay relevant? Etc
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Lemon_ on July 11, 2014, 05:13:51 am
Quote from: WarLord on July 11, 2014, 12:10:52 am
I read:

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and was like 'wtf does a murican has to do with a german pc magazine?'  :mrgreen:
http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/computer-bild/
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Thryn on July 11, 2014, 07:54:47 am
i biltetd u pc 4 murca

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Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: v/onMega on July 11, 2014, 01:09:28 pm
i7 out
Motherboard out

770 nvidia in
4690k in
CPU cooler in
Board has got to have a Z somewhere in its name (example Asus Z-97)
150 for a keyboard? Hahahahaha
Corsair headphones? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

ATI graphics cards. One word: NO.
DONT WASTE UR MONEY SON
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Senni__Ti on July 11, 2014, 06:56:55 pm
Quote from: Lemon_ on July 10, 2014, 11:46:53 pm
Thanks for the quick response and such a detailed one. Both of these builds look nice, I'm curious to which one you'd favor. Again, I'm not very knowledgeable on computers, so I'm unsure on what all the specs mean  :lol:  Would it be able to run Star citizen on minimal graphics?  How long would it stay relevant? Etc

I'd prefer the second one tbh, similar performance to a GTX 780, so you'd be maxing out Star citizen @1080p.
You could do as V/onMega suggests, take the second build and swap the R9 290 for a GTX 770.
The 770 is less powerful, but cheaper:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/X3fvdC
$1263

For a comparison:

AMD tends to have worse drivers than Nvidia, but the R9 290 would still outperform the GTX 770 regardless.

http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu?_ga=1.226206808.314700350.1392066396#
3D mark score, higher is better.
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Lemon_ on July 11, 2014, 08:57:28 pm
I'm going to consult my RL nerd friends and show them all these builds, thank you guys so much for all the help. If I have more questions or decisions i'd like critique on, i'll come here first. Thanks to you all!
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: v/onMega on July 12, 2014, 07:07:51 pm
Senni´s build is good.

Just go for a 4690 k and a Z97 chipset board - You ll get better temps when overclocking, prices should be the same... :-)
The cooler is a matter of taste and how hard you want to overclock... IF.
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Senni__Ti on July 13, 2014, 01:27:50 am
Quote from: v/onMega on July 12, 2014, 07:07:51 pm
Senni´s build is good.

Just go for a 4690 k and a Z97 chipset board - You ll get better temps when overclocking, prices should be the same... :-)
The cooler is a matter of taste and how hard you want to overclock... IF.

Yeah, they should OC better, but I haven't seen any proof of it. Most show they OC the same :/.

Depends what you can get for what price.

EDIT:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mhnpzy
$1265

Pretty much same price, v/onMega is right. Go for the newer stuff!

Cooler wise, I have the cooler I chose for you. Keeps my 4770k @55C or less (stock clock 3.5GHz).
Cheap and effective.

If you have the cash, you can go for a corsair H90 or H80i (closed loop watercooler), should be around $90. Would keep it around 40C and allow you to overclock much more.

Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Lemon_ on July 13, 2014, 07:16:59 am
Thanks again guys. I'm rather new to this stuff so the more of you guys commenting and helping is really reassuring towards me. I'm very afraid of a mistake =/



I'll come back to you guys with some more feedback soon.
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Thryn on July 13, 2014, 07:20:59 pm
Quote from: Lemon_ on July 13, 2014, 07:16:59 am
I'm very afraid of a mistake

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Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Son Of Odin on July 13, 2014, 11:02:10 pm
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Lemon_ on July 17, 2014, 12:36:06 am
Someone compare this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mhnpzy
To this: http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-8700/pd?oc=fdcwgs105r&model_id=xps-8700#overrides=

For the cost, I honestly don't see why the build is better....
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Senni__Ti on July 17, 2014, 03:17:37 am
Quote from: Lemon_ on July 17, 2014, 12:36:06 am
Someone compare this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mhnpzy
To this: http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-8700/pd?oc=fdcwgs105r&model_id=xps-8700#overrides=

For the cost, I honestly don't see why the build is better....

NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 745 4GB DDR3
It's god awful.
I think the CPU IGP might be better :P (the gpu built into the cpu).

You won't be able to play star citizen on it, or any other reasonably demanding game.
Also you can't OC the cpu of that dell one.

And Dell desktop cases suck. (sorry I just really hate dell, ripped off too many people with shoddy computers!)
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Lemon_ on July 17, 2014, 03:35:41 am
I don't understand, why is it so poor? Is it just the GTX745?
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Senni__Ti on July 17, 2014, 11:53:30 pm
The GTX 745 is a low end GPU.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+745&id=2843

Half the score of a GTX 760, 1/3 the score of a GTX 770, probably 1/4 the R9 290 in G3D.
You won't be running anything at 1080p.

The cpu it has is good, but it's not overclockable.
The case won't keep the components cool. (pretty much 0 fans)

It is a good price however, I tried to match it with part picker:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9zTjBm

Not as good a build and more expensive. (Dell wins there)

I wouldn't recommend getting it.
Even if you upgrade the GPU to a 770, it's another $300, taking it to $1200, probably voiding the warranty (not sure). You could sell the GTX 745 getting ~$100 back, though if you haven't voided the warranty, I would keep it (as you'll need to put it back in if you ever RMA it). It would get super hot and probably underclock everything (everything would run slow).

If you really CBA to build your own, try this one:
http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-x51-r2/pd?oc=dpcwxy03s&variant=6:G760TI~3:8GB2D&model_id=alienware-x51-r2#overrides=dpcwxy03s:6~G760TI;3~8GB2D

Should come up with 8gb RAM, GTX 760Ti (it's a GTX 670, which is a bit slower than a GTX 770), mice & keyboard (free but not pre-selected  :wink:) and $1164.

I picked a similar build in partpicker:
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I would still build my own, but the alienware isn't a bad deal. It'll run hot and you won't be able to OC it, but the price isn't bad for what you get.
Though it might underclock itself when it gets too hot.

The i5 build in partpicker http://pcpartpicker.com/p/YBVLFT is a bit cheaper, but I reckon it is the best bet at that price. (faster, cooler, OCable)


EDIT: Couple of reviews of the X51
http://www.digitalversus.com/desktop/alienware-x51-p16124/test.html
http://en.community.dell.com/owners-club/alienware/f/3746/t/19541852.aspx

Temps aren't as bad as I thought <80C (GPU), should last awhile.
Some people mention some issues with power draw (the 760ti wanting too much from the 330W PSU), so it turns off/blue screens.
But I don't think it's all that common (Dell would fix it anyway).
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Lemon on July 18, 2014, 12:11:52 am
Alright, the reason i'm concerned about building it is because i'm 16, I've never built a computer before, and my Dad is pretty certain i'll mess it up somewhere. How much would it cost to buy something similar to the build (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mhnpzy)? He said he'd pay the difference :P
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Senni__Ti on July 18, 2014, 01:24:48 am
I wouldn't worry about breaking anything while building it.

I got my 0 experience friend to build one, he's the clumsiest person I know, he built his perfectly.
Everyone has to start somewhere :P (there are plenty of youtube guides online, many show you exactly what to do).

If you insist however:
http://www.originpc.com/configurator
Seem to be Ok pricewise (they do add on like $300 :S), nice website though :p. (They seem to be ok review wise too)
Ended up being around $1650 with the Corsair 350D (nice case), you can reduce it to ~$1500 going with the Hadron case.
Hopefully this is with tax :P

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/CyberPower_Z97_i5_Configurator
$1346
After I picked/changed:

    CASE: Corsair Obsidian 450D w/ USB 3.0, Fan Control, 2x 200mm fans, Side Panel Window [+19]
    CD: LG 12X Internal Blu-ray Drive & DVDRW, 3D Playback Combo Drive (Black Color) [FREE Blu-Ray Combo Drive with all 4th Gen Intel® Core™ i7 or i5 processors purchase]
    CD2: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive [+17] (BLACK COLOR)
    CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-4690K 3.5 GHz 6MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1150 (All Venom OC Certified) [+24]
    HDD: 1TB Western Digital Caviar Blue SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200 RPM HDD [+4] (Single Drive)
    MEMORY: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1866MHz Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Vengeance [+33])
    MOTHERBOARD: ASUS Z97-A ATX w/ Intel GbLAN, 3 PCIe x16, 2 PCIe x1, 2 PCI, 1 x M.2, 1x SATA Express, 4x SATA 6Gb/s (All Venom OC Certified) [+73]
    POWERSUPPLY: 750 Watts - EVGA SuperNOVA NEX750B 80 Plus Bronze Modular Power Supply [+36]
    SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
    VIDEO: EVGA Superclocked NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 2GB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 x16 Video Card [+315] (Single Card)
And I picked the Razer abyssus mouse + keyboard combo (like $25, good deal)
And windows 64bit 7/8 either will do.

Make sure to pick all the freebies that apply ;) (I picked the blue ray as it comes free with i5's :D)

This is before tax, so it'll probably end up being ~$1500 like the Origin one.

The Alienware I posted before is another possibility, not sure if $1164 is before tax or not (hopefully :P)

I have a feeling cyberpower will end up being cheaper and probably slightly better parts than the origin one (90% the same, so it's no biggy).
The alienware isn't OCable, but has a better CPU, but slightly worse graphics.

It's probably the difference between starcitizen on high and very high @1080p. (760ti might squeeze into very high, not sure :P)
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Kirman on July 18, 2014, 02:49:05 am
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K
Motherboard: MSI Z97 Gaming 5
Graphic card: Powercolor R9 280X TurboDuo  or ASUS GTX770 DirectCU II
Memory: GSKILL RipjawsX  8GB (2x4GB) 1600MHz
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200Rpm
Case: Zalman Z3 Plus
Power Supply: Corsair VS  650W

Total: 1400-1500$

The other stuff that i didnt add wont effect much.

I'm not good at this but i was planing to build something like this.  At the moment i'm waiting for the weekend for discount.


Extra

I'm in love with ASUS 23.6" VN247H after my old 10 year monitor  :lol:



Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Leesin on July 18, 2014, 03:00:33 am
Just a thought Lemon, all the games you've stated in the OP, aren't they all games that are far from being finished?. If you're looking to build a PC for those games, wouldn't you just be better off waiting a while, because for the same money as you will spend now you'll be able to buy better hardware in the near future, like before these games are released, lol.
Title: Re: Computer Build
Post by: Lemon on July 18, 2014, 03:12:28 am
Well i'm not building the PC just for those games, but knowing they're coming out, I'd like to have a computer that will be able to run those, rather than having to upgrade.